Minute 0:00 - 11:00 = Relations with Rome:
1:30 - 2:00 - The SSPX has become more of a focal point because of Traditionis Custodes, but not because we are better than the indult communities.
5:00 - 5:45 - In 2016, Rome did not require the SSPX to accept Vatican 2 carte blanche, but in 2017 Card. Muller imposed the entire council and post-conciliar reform uponthe SSPX, and this set back negotiations 30 years.
6:00 - 6:30 - Canonical regularization has always been attached to a doctrinal declaration, which we could not sign, and can not sign
[Mental reservation: Bishop Fellay DID sign the April 15 Doctrinal Declaration, which was terrible. But seeing the opposition and resistance this caused within the SSPX, with 3 of the 4 bishops and countless priests and faithful opposing him, BXVI made a counter-offer he knew Bishop Fellay must refuse, thereby allowing the SSPX to come back together to be captured en masse, and avoid the rise of another SSPX2B, and preserving the weak leadership of Bishop Fellay, whom Rome wanted to survive the forthcoming 2012 General Chapter...in which Fr. Pagliarani played a large part, by stifling Fr. Benoit de Jorna's initial movement to condemn Fellay's actions.]
6:30 - 7:30 - In 2018, the SSPX tried to reopen negotiations, but Rome was not interested.
7:30 - 8:00 - Fr. Pagliarani explains that Rome wanted to give a canonical recognition, but attached to it a doctrinal declaration, which Fr. Pagliarani saysis not acceptable.
[Note here a significant departure from the approach of Bishop Fellay (who famously wrote to BXVI after things fell apart, seemingly not understanding why the latter did not accept his signed AFD, and telling him that he thought they had an understanding to come to a canonical agreement, and discuss the doctrinal issues later).
Had Bishop Fellay taken that position in 2012, none of what transpired since would have been necessary!!!]
8:00 - 8:35 - But it was Rome, not the SSPX, which since 2018, has decided not to discuss the doctrinal issues and end the negotiations.
8:35 - 9:05 - Why did Rome do this? Because, says Fr. Pagliarani, Rome realized that after all these years, they cannot convince the SSPX, and neither can the SSPX convince them.
[Partially true, and partially wrong: Some in the SSPX were in fact convinced, most importantly Bishop Fellay and those who brought about so many changes in furtherance of reaching an accord. But on the side of Rome, this statement is mostly true: None have given outward acknowledgement of the SSPX's positions in general.
But Fr. Pagliarani: Why do you not perceive that what you have just said above is the real reason the Romans stopped the discussions? You differed from your predecessor, and because of that, Rome says there's no point in talking!
Perhaps it will not be necessary for you to condemn Bishop Fellay openly, but can you at least start to repair the damage he caused? I believe you can, and the beginning would be to worry about sitting down to talk to Bishop Williamson, not Pope Francis. Then it would not be necessary for you to beg for bishops, house +Huonder, or kow-tow to a hostile Rome for your own survival.]
Topic: Fr. Pagliarani at the Angelus Conference (Read 4371 times)