22:00 - 45:20 - Traditionis Custodes and the PCED Communities
22:00 - 24:40 - It does affect the Ecclesia Dei communities. On a personal basis, Fr. Pagliarani has nothing against these people. But, he has to acknowledge that when there is an error with their position, sooner or later, that error will bear consequences. They are today -in TC- bearing the consequences of an error rooted in their inception. We do not judge their intentions, but objectively, they made a mistake.
24:40 - 25:02 - The paradox is that the pope himself who is supposed to protect them, seems as though he cannot stand them, and has determined not to bear with them anymore.
25:05 - 26:45 - PCED was supposed to be a commission to protect the Latin Mass communities who did not want to go the way of the SSPX. 3 years ago, it was suppressed. Why? Because the idea of the Commission was to reintegrate these communities into the mainstream of the Church, and 30 years later, they were reintegrated enough. Therefore a commission is no longer needed. This is the official explanation.
26:45 28:40 - The Motu Proprio shows that some of them were not reintegrated enough. The Pope was still not happy with them.. Why? Francis says he cannot stand any longer using the old missal as an expression of a spirituality and priesthood, or an idea of the Church, which contradicts the one of Vatican II. He then reiterates that here these communities have been bitten again by the doctrinal problems they chose to overlook for the sake of a canonical solution which didnot address them.
[What is this but an implicit readmission of the existence of a conciliar church? It is also a rejection of the 2012 SSPX position of +Fellay, like it or not.]
29:10 - 30:00 - Fr. Pagliarani reads the quotes from TC in which the pope says there are some who think the council contradicted tradition, and therefore they haven't been integrated enough. Fr. Pagliarani then says, "This is what WE think. Maybe, we hope, some of them were thinking the same way. Hopefully"
32:15 - 32:33 - "The Latin Mass as an expression of the lex orandi of the Church is no longer permitted," says Fr. Pagliarani (quoting Francis). He appears to take great exception to this edict.
32:35 - 34:00 - Why did Rome finally make this decission? Because they fely like something went wrong. They realized that the TLM generates another conception of the Church, Mass, priestly life, etc. And they do not want that conception competing with the conciliar one! Theerefore, they withdrew the permission they had given. They want to remove the possibility of using the old Mass as a banner of Tradition.
34:00 - 34:30 - But the TLM is intrincically traditional; if a priest enters into the meanings of this rite, sooner or later he will question himself, and the council, etc. This is why it had to be stamped out.
34:30 - 37:53 - So its clear that all the concessoins, indults, during these last 50 years, they've all been made to people who wanted to stick to Tradition, at least the liturgy, but they just give a little bit in order to "heal" their illness of Traditionalism. He quotes Archbishop Roach (CDW) saying that these concessions were only there to encourage unity with the Church (i.e., acceptance of the council and the reforms), not to promote pre-conciliar Tradition. Reintegration was the only reason, and it failed. So now the experiment is over, and we go back to the requirements of Vatican II.
38:35 - 39:10 - For Rome, all these indults were just a drug administeredin order to drag people into the mainstream Church, and for PCED people, it was an illusion to make them believe they could keep Tradition without being persecuted. But it was not true.
40:03 - 41:00 The old Mass IS the banner of Tradition, but the Roman's tactics and use of the Missal is not worthy of the Church; it is not worthy of the Church to play with liturgical books as they have been doing.
41:00 - 43:25 - We want this Mass for the entire Church. We have NOT lost the sense of the Church. Whatever we build, it is for the Church. This Mass that we keep is for the Church. Sooner or later, this Mass will again become the only Mass of the Church. Because there is only one redemption. So July 16 was the sad end of a long experiment.
43:25 - End: How could +Lefebvre make the right decision in 1988? He had a supernatural capacity to be moved by the Holy Ghost. Even alone, against everybody, and isolated, he had a sensitivity to the will of God, and it is an infallible sign of holiness which becomes more and more evident over time.
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