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Author Topic: Fr. Pagliarani at the Angelus Conference  (Read 4360 times)

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Re: Fr. Pagliarani at the Angelus Conference
« Reply #10 on: January 01, 2022, 06:47:55 PM »
I thought so.  SG Pagliarani must, I think, address the grave problems within his own apostolate.  He must repudiate the "monstrous little man," Pope Francis- just as lay folks like Michael Matt have done.  He must go hat in hand to Bp Williamson and beg forgiveness for the mistreatment of the good bishop by the Society.  He must confront the sɛҳuąƖ predations of some SSPX priests, a matter which has never been seriously adjudicated by the Society. He must sever all connections with Zionists.  In short, he must do a lot of in-house cleansing. 

What an exciting scenario you have painted Holly. 

Fr. Pagliarani making amends and turning the ship around to lead trads back to the true resistance battle.

In reality, if the Superior General were to try this, his wings would be clipped.

I can see Fr. Schmidberger picking-up the phone and Max Krah answering the call.  The next thing you know, the SG would be reported as suffering unexpected heart attack.

It would be in the Jєωs best interest of course.

Besides, Fr. Pagliarani is culturally handicapped to take over the SSPX.  

You need a German with imagination and daring.

It would have to be done like a Valkyrie plot, as Col. Clause von Stauffenberg did when he tried to depose Hitler and take over the nαzι gov’t.

As passionate Catholics as the Italians are, I don’t think they’d have the courage or capability to do it.

I suppose only with St. Michael’s help could it be done anyway.

Re: Fr. Pagliarani at the Angelus Conference
« Reply #11 on: January 01, 2022, 07:46:52 PM »
11:05 - 22:00 - Reasons for the Growth of the SSPX

11:05 - 14:30 - The SSPX was ready for th ePlannedemic, and the zeal of the priests kept them from closing down like other places did.

[This is certainly true of the United States.  Not so much in the UK, Ireland, and elsewhere, where the faithful were told by these same priests that they had no choice but to close in light of governmen declarations.]

16:30 - 16:50 - If the SSPX stays faithful to the heritage of +Lefebvre, God will bless the SSPX and it will grow.

[I agree.  But for the last 20 years, the SSPX has negotiated away the heritage of the SSPX, often using the exact opposite argument: "If we had a canonical agreement, we could grow the apostolate!"  It was the same argument +Lefebvre rejected at La Baroux, and the same argument the SSPX rejected when advanced by Campos.  But it was precisely the same argument advanced by the accordists, especially since 2012.

If Fr. Pagliarani intends to reverse the squandering of its heritage for the sake of an accord, then I would certainly be supportive of any tangible changes he institutes toward that end.  Tangible, because actions speak louder than words, and are the measuring stick of both sincerity and resolve.]

17:00 - 17:10 - The SSPX is also growing because there is a reaction in the Church against Francis.

17:10 - 17:25 - BXVI represented the last attempt to instill the ILLUSION of continuity between the council and tradition.

[Bravo!  The hermeneutic of continuity accepted by +Fellay in the 2012 AFD is in this sentence rejected]

18:20 - 19:10 - Pope Francis does not feel this need to reconcile tradition with the Council.

19:10 - 20:45 - Francis is now touching morals, and because morals affect the faithful more concretely and directly than the doctrinal corruptions of the council, the faithful have become more perceptive to the deviations from sound Catholic teaching, and the rupture with tradition.  This has them looking at Tradition and the Society.

20:45 - 22:00 - Also Traditionis Custodes has caused some to take another look at the SSPX
That's not correct. I don't know about the Cork and northern Ireland chapels, but Athlone, as far as was possible offered Masses in some manner I won't detail. This was in spite of aggressive and definite police harassment from one of the worst stations in the country. For example one man who filmed and made comments on the police presence in the Athlone Corpus Christi chapel saw them take a close interest in a custody dispute. His children were passed to the estranged mother. Dun Laoghaire did also try with Masses, but avoided closing as much as possible, offering Exposition and Communion outside Mass (this old custom should be revived as it survived until the 60s), even with a Garda station close enough to them. The diocesan cowards wouldn't offer Exposition in at least Dublin. It should be said in fairness that at least three or more diocesan priests just refused to close or cease offering public (New Order) Mass, and they are far more exposed than any SSPX priest. One diocesan Cavan priest was fined, and he did not pay. 


Re: Fr. Pagliarani at the Angelus Conference
« Reply #12 on: January 01, 2022, 08:00:41 PM »
That's not correct. I don't know about the Cork and northern Ireland chapels, but Athlone, as far as was possible offered Masses in some manner I won't detail. This was in spite of aggressive and definite police harassment from one of the worst stations in the country. For example one man who filmed and made comments on the police presence in the Athlone Corpus Christi chapel saw them take a close interest in a custody dispute. His children were passed to the estranged mother. Dun Laoghaire did also try with Masses, but avoided closing as much as possible, offering Exposition and Communion outside Mass (this old custom should be revived as it survived until the 60s), even with a Garda station close enough to them. The diocesan cowards wouldn't offer Exposition in at least Dublin. It should be said in fairness that at least three or more diocesan priests just refused to close or cease offering public (New Order) Mass, and they are far more exposed than any SSPX priest. One diocesan Cavan priest was fined, and he did not pay.

https://fsspx.ie/en/news-events/news/apostolate-gb-ireland-under-lockdown-1420-56505 

Re: Fr. Pagliarani at the Angelus Conference
« Reply #13 on: January 02, 2022, 03:50:16 PM »
The SSPX has become more of a focal point because of Traditionis Custodes, but not because we are better than the indult communities.

What does he mean by this?  Shouldn't he think they are better than the indult?  Does he see the SSPX and ICKSP and the FSSP all on the same footing?
Ambivalent use of words allowing for either of two interpretations: 1) we are better than the indult communities, or 2) we are not better than the indult communities.

Re: Fr. Pagliarani at the Angelus Conference
« Reply #14 on: January 02, 2022, 07:42:40 PM »
The SSPX has become more of a focal point because of Traditionis Custodes, but not because we are better than the indult communities.

What does he mean by this?  Shouldn't he think they are better than the indult?  Does he see the SSPX and ICKSP and the FSSP all on the same footing?

This statement says it all, and it's why the SSPX has become just another indult mass.