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Fr. P. Girouard posted a Lenten message for the faithful
« on: March 19, 2018, 07:17:49 PM »
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    The great Fr. Patrick Girouard has emerged with an observation and a message for Catholics during Lent.
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    This makes me ask, what do SSPX priests do when the faithful are found watching their cell phones during Mass?
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    I saw a woman going from Station to Station (Stations of the Cross) in a chapel, making her own video of them, from 1-14, including the stained glass windows between the stations. Maybe she was going to have a portable "Stations" video she could use when not able to get to Church?
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    Parce Domine! (Spare us, O Lord!)
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    by Fr. Patrick Girouard | Mar 7, 2018
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    Dear faithful,
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    You will never believe what the Branded SSPX has come up with for Lent! They have a promotional video proposing a “challenge” for their parishioners. If they click on a special link to accept the challenge, they will receive, on their gismo of choice, a daily reminder that they should limit their use of the gismo, and spend time with friends and family instead. (By the way, it looks a bit contradictory to tell people to limit the use of the gismo, while sending them reminders of this on the very same gismos…).
    .
    The promotional video shows a guy watching tv, who decides to spend time with friends, and then goes out on the deck to have a beer with them. Now, this Neo-SSPX challenge is for Lent… You can take it for 3 days, or 7 days, or, if you truly are strong, until Easter, April 1st. WOW!
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    While I agree that the gismos in all their models should be used only in moderation, I lament the fact that this is promoted as a Lent challenge. Why not do it for the whole year? And why not use supernatural motives, instead of a merely natural one (spend time with people)? This message is something that we already hear from a lot of non-Catholic sources.
    .
    Doesn’t the SSPX have more to say to its faithful? Yet, I saw nothing in the video or the article about Christ, Penance, Mortification, Salvation of souls… Just:  Spend more time with friends! Having a beer with them during Lent is better than watching movies! What about giving us some examples of the saints doing penance? What about encouraging people to fast and abstain?
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    I cannot believe that we find this on the official SSPX website! Look for yourselves at the link below:
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    http://sspx.org/en/news-events/news/take-technology-detox-challenge-unplug-your-life-during-lent
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    We, in the Resistance, were afraid that a “normalization” with Rome would transform Tradition and dilute it to become just like the Novus Ordo Church… But since the Branding, which I have exposed in June 2013, it has become clear that the process of liberalisation is already at work, and is already changing the Society and its faithful! Maybe Rome will see that an official agreement will not, in the end, be necessary to destroy Tradition, and that the simple offer of a “regularization” is enough to have the leaders of Tradition destroy it!
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    God, please spare us and intervene before it is too late!
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    Fr. Girouard
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    Re: Fr. P. Girouard posted a Lenten message for the faithful
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    The great Fr. Girouard is gifted with the ability to see a trend far into the future, providing insight for others who would pay attention to his words.
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    We, in the Resistance, were afraid that a “normalization” with Rome would transform Tradition and dilute it to become just like the Novus Ordo Church… 
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    But since the Branding, which I have exposed in June 2013, it has become clear that the process of liberalisation is already at work, and is already changing the Society and its faithful
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    Maybe Rome will see that an official agreement will not, in the end, be necessary to destroy Tradition, and that the simple offer of a “regularization” is enough to have the leaders of Tradition destroy it!
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    Maybe Rome will see that no "practical agreement" will be needed, because the mere OFFER of a "practical agreement" will suffice.
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    Re: Fr. P. Girouard posted a Lenten message for the faithful
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    From the linked site (changing society by taking action is a community initiative) :
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    Take the "Technology Detox Challenge" to Unplug Your Life During Lent
    March 02, 2018 
    District of the USA



    Today’s world is full of distractions. 

    While technology is a tool that can be used for both good or bad, it is often a source of distraction that weakens our personal relationships and scatters our inner peace.

    During the remainder of this Lent, we invite you to take action so you can focus on the things that truly matter:
     - Family, Friends, and Faith.


    Do this by unplugging your life so that you can focus on living well and encourage others to do the same.  

    It's not just an individual action - it's a community initiative!

    It's up to you to take this challenge and share it with your family and friends. Without your involvement your family and friends may never see this challenge or have the courage to do it themselves. Together we can can change society but only if we as individuals take action.


    Take the Technology Detox Challenge

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    Instead of resorting to begging the faithful to disclose their online usernames and shopping habits all they have to do is get them to download an APP which will track all their "device" activities.
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    Re: Fr. P. Girouard posted a Lenten message for the faithful
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    The great Fr. Patrick Girouard has emerged with an observation and a message for Catholics during Lent.
    .
    This makes me ask, what do SSPX priests do when the faithful are found watching their cell phones during Mass?
    .
    I saw a woman going from Station to Station (Stations of the Cross) in a chapel, making her own video of them, from 1-14, including the stained glass windows between the stations. Maybe she was going to have a portable "Stations" video she could use when not able to get to Church?
    .
    Parce Domine! (Spare us, O Lord!)
    .
    by Fr. Patrick Girouard | Mar 7, 2018
    .
    Dear faithful,
    .
    You will never believe what the Branded SSPX has come up with for Lent! They have a promotional video proposing a “challenge” for their parishioners. If they click on a special link to accept the challenge, they will receive, on their gismo of choice, a daily reminder that they should limit their use of the gismo, and spend time with friends and family instead. (By the way, it looks a bit contradictory to tell people to limit the use of the gismo, while sending them reminders of this on the very same gismos…).
    .
    The promotional video shows a guy watching tv, who decides to spend time with friends, and then goes out on the deck to have a beer with them. Now, this Neo-SSPX challenge is for Lent… You can take it for 3 days, or 7 days, or, if you truly are strong, until Easter, April 1st. WOW!
    .
    While I agree that the gismos in all their models should be used only in moderation, I lament the fact that this is promoted as a Lent challenge. Why not do it for the whole year? And why not use supernatural motives, instead of a merely natural one (spend time with people)? This message is something that we already hear from a lot of non-Catholic sources.
    .
    Doesn’t the SSPX have more to say to its faithful? Yet, I saw nothing in the video or the article about Christ, Penance, Mortification, Salvation of souls… Just:  Spend more time with friends! Having a beer with them during Lent is better than watching movies! What about giving us some examples of the saints doing penance? What about encouraging people to fast and abstain?
    .
    I cannot believe that we find this on the official SSPX website! Look for yourselves at the link below:
    .
    http://sspx.org/en/news-events/news/take-technology-detox-challenge-unplug-your-life-during-lent
    .
    We, in the Resistance, were afraid that a “normalization” with Rome would transform Tradition and dilute it to become just like the Novus Ordo Church… But since the Branding, which I have exposed in June 2013, it has become clear that the process of liberalisation is already at work, and is already changing the Society and its faithful! Maybe Rome will see that an official agreement will not, in the end, be necessary to destroy Tradition, and that the simple offer of a “regularization” is enough to have the leaders of Tradition destroy it!
    .
    God, please spare us and intervene before it is too late!
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    Fr. Girouard

    That's what you get when you hire a Jewish PR firm to sell your product.
    The SSPX's firm does not understand their product.


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    Re: Fr. P. Girouard posted a Lenten message for the faithful
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    The great Fr. Girouard is gifted with the ability to see a trend far into the future, providing insight for others who would pay attention to his words.
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    We, in the Resistance, were afraid that a “normalization” with Rome would transform Tradition and dilute it to become just like the Novus Ordo Church…
    .
    But since the Branding, which I have exposed in June 2013, it has become clear that the process of liberalisation is already at work, and is already changing the Society and its faithful!
    .
    Maybe Rome will see that an official agreement will not, in the end, be necessary to destroy Tradition, and that the simple offer of a “regularization” is enough to have the leaders of Tradition destroy it!
    .
    Maybe Rome will see that no "practical agreement" will be needed, because the mere OFFER of a "practical agreement" will suffice.
    .

    For once, I agree with you Neil.

    A very good observation from Fr. Girouard, as usual. Indeed, in order to destroy tradition, Rome needn't insist on regularization through a practical agreement, since the process of liberalization is already at work in the SSPX. What was the SSPX thinking with this goofy phone app?  

    It seems that Fr. Girouard's website is finally up and running again. I'm looking forward to hopefully more commentary from him in the future.

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  • A very good observation from Fr. Girouard, as usual. Indeed, in order to destroy tradition, Rome needn't insist on regularization through a practical agreement, since the process of liberalization is already at work in the SSPX. What was the SSPX thinking with this goofy phone app?  
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    Maybe they're trying to appear "relevant" to the new generation -- the one with their noses stuck in their device screens at all hours.
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    But I don't trust phone apps in general, and in this case it opens the door for snooping on your private prayer activity.
    They could ask to scan your screen to prove you're a member of their congregation, or to be eligible for Holy Communion.
    Eventually it could replace Church attendance and the sacraments -- imagine going to confession via an app, or attending "virtual Mass," or getting a "virtual priest" for "last rites."
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    It seems that Fr. Girouard's website is finally up and running again. I'm looking forward to hopefully more commentary from him in the future.
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    His old site, sacrificium.org, has been gone for several years now. I really liked how it was set up. I miss it. 
    Last time I tried to find it I got some Chinese site instead.
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    The new one is thebastion.faith -- I hope it can stay up longer than the old one did.

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    « Reply #7 on: March 23, 2018, 10:33:28 AM »
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    Maybe they're trying to appear "relevant" to the new generation -- the one with their noses stuck in their device screens at all hours.
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    But I don't trust phone apps in general, and in this case it opens the door for snooping on your private prayer activity.
    They could ask to scan your screen to prove you're a member of their congregation, or to be eligible for Holy Communion.
    Eventually it could replace Church attendance and the sacraments -- imagine going to confession via an app, or attending "virtual Mass," or getting a "virtual priest" for "last rites."
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    His old site, sacrificium.org, has been gone for several years now. I really liked how it was set up. I miss it.
    Last time I tried to find it I got some Chinese site instead.
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    The new one is thebastion.faith -- I hope it can stay up longer than the old one did.

    I didn't know that those apps could possibly do things like you mention above, which is an invasion of privacy, though I think that there already exists a form of "phone confession" instituted by some in the Novus Ordo, which isn't surprising.

    Yes, it was frustrating that Fr. Girouard's old site seemed to maybe be hacked, since there was weird Chinese material instead where the site was supposed to be. Father has such good insight into the Crisis in the SSPX. It would be nice if he could post some of his sermons on the site.


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  • https://thebastion.faith/the-neo-sspx-is-turning-chinese/

    UPDATE from Fr. Girouard:


    Dear faithful,

    The Neo-SSPX has a Priory in Winnipeg (Manitoba) and missions in Dryden (Ontario), and Welwyn, Regina, and Saskatoon (all in Saskatchewan). I was in that Priory for seven years (2002-2009), so I know these people.

    I just received a copy, from a friend, of the Winnipeg March 2018 parish bulletin, and you can have access to it by clicking on its icon on the right side of the screen.

    In this document, you will find a picture of a couple (copied below) on their marriage day. She, Monica Green, is a parishioner from our parish in Welwyn. In the old SSPX, we would have married her at our chapel over there, like we did with many others before.

    But, no! Not in the Neo-SSPX! Now we had her marriage taking place in a Novus Ordo church in Brandon (MB), located midway between Winnipeg and Welwyn, so two hours away from each place. (Not a very practical location for anybody!)

    Moreover, while Fr. Vachon, Assistant priest of Winnipeg Prior Fr. Loren Gerspacher, celebrated the traditional Mass, it was a Novus Ordo priest, delegated by the Novus Ordo bishop, who was the official Church witness receiving the vows!

    On the picture you can see Fr. Vachon on the right, and the Novus Ordo priest on the left. Everybody is smiling, of course!
    The Neo-SSPX is now all comfy-comfy and lovey-dovey with the destroyers of the Church!

    On the same bulletin, you also have a letter from Fr. Daniel Couture (Canadian District Superior) praising Archbishop Lefebvre’s fight against the inversion of the ends of marriage at Vatican II. It is actually a good letter!
    So, what should we think of this parish bulletin?

    Well, we have here a typical example of the Neo-SSPX tactic: Talk big, and strong, and traditional, but in your actions, walk liberal!
    Your talk is there to make people accept your walk!

    It also helps make you feel that you are not as liberal as you seem, so you can stiffle your guilty feelings (if you have any) and sleep better at night!
    The Neo-SSPX is now consistently mixing up together the liberal and the traditional, the bitter and the sweet! There is nothing else to say but: The Neo-SSPX is turning Chinese!

    God bless you dear friends, and hang on to the Truth, because the ride is bumpy!

    Fr. Girouard

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  • Who does fr. Girouard work with?  Who is his bishop?  Who does he support (i.e., what camp is he in)?

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  • Parce Domine! (Spare us, O Lord!)
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    by Fr. Patrick Girouard | Mar 7, 2018
    .
    Dear faithful,
    .
    You will never believe what the Branded SSPX has come up with for Lent! They have a promotional video proposing a “challenge” for their parishioners. If they click on a special link to accept the challenge, they will receive, on their gismo of choice, a daily reminder that they should limit their use of the gismo, and spend time with friends and family instead. (By the way, it looks a bit contradictory to tell people to limit the use of the gismo, while sending them reminders of this on the very same gismos…).
    .
    The promotional video shows a guy watching tv, who decides to spend time with friends, and then goes out on the deck to have a beer with them. Now, this Neo-SSPX challenge is for Lent… You can take it for 3 days, or 7 days, or, if you truly are strong, until Easter, April 1st. WOW!
    .
    While I agree that the gismos in all their models should be used only in moderation, I lament the fact that this is promoted as a Lent challenge. Why not do it for the whole year? And why not use supernatural motives, instead of a merely natural one (spend time with people)? This message is something that we already hear from a lot of non-Catholic sources.
    .
    Doesn’t the SSPX have more to say to its faithful? Yet, I saw nothing in the video or the article about Christ, Penance, Mortification, Salvation of souls… Just:  Spend more time with friends! Having a beer with them during Lent is better than watching movies! What about giving us some examples of the saints doing penance? What about encouraging people to fast and abstain?
    .
    I cannot believe that we find this on the official SSPX website! Look for yourselves at the link below:
    .
    http://sspx.org/en/news-events/news/take-technology-detox-challenge-unplug-your-life-during-lent
    .
    We, in the Resistance, were afraid that a “normalization” with Rome would transform Tradition and dilute it to become just like the Novus Ordo Church… But since the Branding, which I have exposed in June 2013, it has become clear that the process of liberalisation is already at work, and is already changing the Society and its faithful! Maybe Rome will see that an official agreement will not, in the end, be necessary to destroy Tradition, and that the simple offer of a “regularization” is enough to have the leaders of Tradition destroy it!
    .
    God, please spare us and intervene before it is too late!
    .
    Fr. Girouard



    Excellent article, thanks Neil. Fr. Girouard hits the nail on the head and with a sense of humor.

    I just watched for the first time the SSPX promotional video that he links. What a joke this "challenge", it is pathetic.
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  • Who does fr. Girouard work with?  Who is his bishop?  Who does he support (i.e., what camp is he in)?
    I believe he is loosely associated with the 4 Resistant Bishops.

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  • I believe he is loosely associated with the 4 Resistant Bishops.

    I concur. His chapel is in British Columbia, Canada. He's French Canadian, I believe. As soon as I renew my passport, I'm going to try to attend his chapel, which isn't that far from me. 

    He was sanctioned by the SSPX because he did not agree with the changes in the SSPX, including the 'dialogue' for reconciliation. So now he has his own chapel. 

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  • Who does fr. Girouard work with?  Who is his bishop?  Who does he support (i.e., what camp is he in)?

    Being formerly with the SSPX, Fr. Girouard now has his own chapel, and here's a video from 2013 in which he explains how he came to leave the SSPX. He describes the "canonical admonitions" sent to him by Menzingen. What I appreciate about Fr. Girouard is that he is firm in his faithfulness  to tradition, and uses good-natured humor to prove his point, and he is not disrespectful or rancorous.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=4&v=SWt5KLZg_cA

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  • https://thebastion.faith/the-neo-sspx-is-turning-chinese/

    UPDATE from Fr. Girouard:


    Dear faithful,

    The Neo-SSPX has a Priory in Winnipeg (Manitoba) and missions in Dryden (Ontario), and Welwyn, Regina, and Saskatoon (all in Saskatchewan). I was in that Priory for seven years (2002-2009), so I know these people.

    I just received a copy, from a friend, of the Winnipeg March 2018 parish bulletin, and you can have access to it by clicking on its icon on the right side of the screen.

    In this document, you will find a picture of a couple (copied below) on their marriage day. She, Monica Green, is a parishioner from our parish in Welwyn. In the old SSPX, we would have married her at our chapel over there, like we did with many others before.

    But, no! Not in the Neo-SSPX! Now we had her marriage taking place in a Novus Ordo church in Brandon (MB), located midway between Winnipeg and Welwyn, so two hours away from each place. (Not a very practical location for anybody!)

    Moreover, while Fr. Vachon, Assistant priest of Winnipeg Prior Fr. Loren Gerspacher, celebrated the traditional Mass, it was a Novus Ordo priest, delegated by the Novus Ordo bishop, who was the official Church witness receiving the vows!

    On the picture you can see Fr. Vachon on the right, and the Novus Ordo priest on the left. Everybody is smiling, of course!
    The Neo-SSPX is now all comfy-comfy and lovey-dovey with the destroyers of the Church!

    On the same bulletin, you also have a letter from Fr. Daniel Couture (Canadian District Superior) praising Archbishop Lefebvre’s fight against the inversion of the ends of marriage at Vatican II. It is actually a good letter!
    So, what should we think of this parish bulletin?

    Well, we have here a typical example of the Neo-SSPX tactic: Talk big, and strong, and traditional, but in your actions, walk liberal!
    Your talk is there to make people accept your walk!

    It also helps make you feel that you are not as liberal as you seem, so you can stiffle your guilty feelings (if you have any) and sleep better at night!
    The Neo-SSPX is now consistently mixing up together the liberal and the traditional, the bitter and the sweet! There is nothing else to say but: The Neo-SSPX is turning Chinese!

    God bless you dear friends, and hang on to the Truth, because the ride is bumpy!

    Fr. Girouard
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    "The Neo-SSPX is now consistently mixing up together the liberal and the traditional, the bitter and the sweet! There is nothing else to say but: The Neo-SSPX is turning Chinese!"
    .
    Turning Chinese, like sweet-and-sour sauce, a bittersweet concept. 
    4,000 year-old Chinese culture mixed with 20th-century Chinese Communism. 
    Even when he makes you laugh the joke makes you think.
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    In the enlarged version of the photo, above, notice the cheerleading Jesus dancing on the tabernacle:
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    (Click image to enlarge)

    ............. And the Novus Ordo priest has his eyes closed. 
    ................(Maybe his fingers crossed behind his back?)
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