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« Reply #15 on: June 12, 2016, 09:18:24 PM »
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  • I don't think they were spared but that they were much slower to be influenced.

    I don't mean indulters recommending eastern liturgies based on superficials. I mean SSPX priests recommending them based on choosing lesser evils.


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    « Reply #16 on: June 12, 2016, 09:19:30 PM »
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  • Quote from: Matto
    To illustrate this, I would never go to confession to a Novus Ordo priest, but if I didn't have access to an SSPX priest or a resistance priest or an SSPV priest or a CMRI priest, I would confess my sins to a Ukranian rite priest and be confident that my sins were actually forgiven.


    And this was spoken like a "big city boy". No offense, of course, I'm just saying. You must be near a big city with a lot of diversity.

    In my old hometown (pop. 150,000 in the Midwest) as well as my current location (outside San Antonio, TX) Eastern Rite churches aren't discussed much, because we just don't have many of them around here. I guess we don't have enough immigrants from those countries to make a viable parish.

    To have "everything under the sun", you pretty much need to be in a very large city. For example, a small midwestern town won't have a "Chinatown". There might be a handful of Chinese residents, and many residents (both Chinese and non-Chinese) might eat Chinese food, but for things like a "Chinese language mall" you need a larger city.

    I remember driving to a suburb of Chicago to experience a "Japanese mall" where all things Japanese were sold -- all kinds of import goods, foods, etc. The most my own town had was a Japanese restaurant -- and that wasn't added until 2000 or so.
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    « Reply #17 on: June 12, 2016, 09:24:00 PM »
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    And this was spoken like a "big city boy". No offense, of course, I'm just saying. You must be near a big city with a lot of diversity.

    Yes. As you and many of the other posters on Cathinfo might know because I have have mentioned it before, I live in America's biggest city, New York City. We have an SSPX chapel and in independent traditional Catholic chapel which are options for the Mass. There is no resistance Mass available for me, so I still go to the SSPX chapel. If I had no other options I would go to the Ukranian rite Mass with my sedevacantist friend.
    R.I.P.
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    « Reply #18 on: June 12, 2016, 11:13:47 PM »
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  • I'm probably the only person here who was actually raised at a Maronite parish and believe I can give some more info about how crazy this is.

    The Maronites lost everything during the tenure of Cardinal Sfeir, their previous Patriarch. They are now, mostly, a political organization in Lebanon, unfortunately. Church leaders spend more times meeting with politicians than in prayer. In the early 1990s, Cardinal Sfeir SINGLE HANDEDLY re-wrote the entire Maronite Missal. After the '90s, most Maronite masses were in the vernacular instead of Aramaic. It's very hard to explain the influence and role of the Maronite church if you are not Lebanese. The Maronite Church has tremendous influence on state politics. Currently, Cardinal Rai is charged with finding a new president. Can you imagine a church leader vetting politicians?
     
    To illustrate how serious the issue is, many faithful Maronites in Beirut actually went to Opus Dei and asked the Prelate to start a mass center in the Beirut because they were so desperate for orthodoxy and Faith. There are now 3 Opus Dei priests in Beirut that travel to different mass centers and celebrate latin masses because there is such a desire for faith and good catechism in the country.
    Other faithful Maronites (both in Leabnon and in the diaspora) now attend Armenian Catholic or Melkite churches because they are so fed up with the politics of the Maronite Church. Both the Armenian and Melkite Churches are headquartered in Lebanon as well.

    I know the Armenian and Melkite Catholic Churches are still very orthodox, both in Lebanon and in the US. The Armenian mass is actually very similar to the Tridentine mass, with Psalm 42 at the foot of the alter, the final gospel reading, priest facing the main altar, etc. Some very interesting history

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    « Reply #19 on: June 13, 2016, 01:48:39 AM »
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  • This is sad news. We had the great pleasure of Fr Doran's company in our part of India some years ago. He is indeed a storehouse of knowledge and could even  quote Mahatma Gandhi.

    Coming to the question as to why he has not joined the Resistance I can only hazard a guess. He spontaneously mentioned that he had not approved the priestly ordination of someone of mutual acquaintance, but was over ruled (presumably by Bp Williamson, though he did not say). The two MC priests were in that same batch I reckon. Perhaps maybe, the Maronites will be better for his sanity, although the post by Rogerthat is quite ominous.

    May St Anthony bless Fr Doran.


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    « Reply #20 on: June 13, 2016, 03:28:39 AM »
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  • Quote from: RogerThat
    I'm probably the only person here who was actually raised at a Maronite parish and believe I can give some more info about how crazy this is.

    The Maronites lost everything during the tenure of Cardinal Sfeir, their previous Patriarch. They are now, mostly, a political organization in Lebanon, unfortunately. Church leaders spend more times meeting with politicians than in prayer. In the early 1990s, Cardinal Sfeir SINGLE HANDEDLY re-wrote the entire Maronite Missal. After the '90s, most Maronite masses were in the vernacular instead of Aramaic. It's very hard to explain the influence and role of the Maronite church if you are not Lebanese. The Maronite Church has tremendous influence on state politics. Currently, Cardinal Rai is charged with finding a new president. Can you imagine a church leader vetting politicians?
     
    To illustrate how serious the issue is, many faithful Maronites in Beirut actually went to Opus Dei and asked the Prelate to start a mass center in the Beirut because they were so desperate for orthodoxy and Faith. There are now 3 Opus Dei priests in Beirut that travel to different mass centers and celebrate latin masses because there is such a desire for faith and good catechism in the country.
    Other faithful Maronites (both in Leabnon and in the diaspora) now attend Armenian Catholic or Melkite churches because they are so fed up with the politics of the Maronite Church. Both the Armenian and Melkite Churches are headquartered in Lebanon as well.

    I know the Armenian and Melkite Catholic Churches are still very orthodox, both in Lebanon and in the US. The Armenian mass is actually very similar to the Tridentine mass, with Psalm 42 at the foot of the alter, the final gospel reading, priest facing the main altar, etc. Some very interesting history


    And if I remember correctly, Lebanon was majority Christian until the cινιℓ ωαr, when most of them left for France and the US.

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    « Reply #21 on: June 13, 2016, 06:01:16 AM »
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  • Quote from: AJNC
    could even  quote Mahatma Gandhi.
     


    Boy....what a great qualification!  :confused1:

    With this and Mathew's discription of him, he sounds quite liberal to me.

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    « Reply #22 on: June 13, 2016, 11:24:14 AM »
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  • Quote from: AJNC

    Coming to the question as to why he has not joined the Resistance I can only hazard a guess. He spontaneously mentioned that he had not approved the priestly ordination of someone of mutual acquaintance, but was over ruled (presumably by Bp Williamson, though he did not say). The two MC priests were in that same batch I reckon. Perhaps maybe, the Maronites will be better for his sanity, although the post by Rogerthat is quite ominous.


    Would it be a shame if Fr. Doran didn't join the Resistance because he thinks it's too closely linked with Fr. Pfeiffer?

    Though Fr. Doran is an intelligent man and should certainly know better: that the worldwide Resistance is much bigger than the "whole" SSPX-MC, which is actually quite small now.
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    « Reply #23 on: June 13, 2016, 12:17:41 PM »
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  • I knew him very well and also liked him a lot.  My husband still quotes his sermons which were always long but we never minded the length because he was always so interesting.  

    Sorry to hear this.  Was there no other option for him, or did he just throw in the towel and surrender?

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    « Reply #24 on: June 13, 2016, 01:07:59 PM »
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  • Another bit of human nature that helps explain Fr. Doran's action to join the Maronites:

    Some of you may be familiar with Choleric temperaments, and/or those of Irish heritage.

    I'm very familiar with the latter, as it hits kind of close to home.

    Let's just say that some families end up with 4 out of 4 or 5 out of 5 children being "leaders", not necessarily successful at life, but independent thinkers, taking the lead even at play, wanting/needing to be in charge, etc.

    For example, in a family like this, if one child takes Spanish and masters it, the other kids will CROSS OFF that language like it's not even a possibility (I can't be playing 2nd fiddle to my big brother!) so they'll pick another language: French. Then the 3rd sibling will one-up them both and pick an exotic language like Japanese or Chinese and the 4th child might decide that he won't get into languages at all.

    And so on.

    Some "alpha males" have a hard time being in a #2 (or lower) position in anything they're involved in.
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    « Reply #25 on: June 13, 2016, 04:12:09 PM »
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  • Quote from: Matthew
    Another bit of human nature that helps explain Fr. Doran's action to join the Maronites:

    Some of you may be familiar with Choleric temperaments, and/or those of Irish heritage.

    I'm very familiar with the latter, as it hits kind of close to home.

    Let's just say that some families end up with 4 out of 4 or 5 out of 5 children being "leaders", not necessarily successful at life, but independent thinkers, taking the lead even at play, wanting/needing to be in charge, etc.

    For example, in a family like this, if one child takes Spanish and masters it, the other kids will CROSS OFF that language like it's not even a possibility (I can't be playing 2nd fiddle to my big brother!) so they'll pick another language: French. Then the 3rd sibling will one-up them both and pick an exotic language like Japanese or Chinese and the 4th child might decide that he won't get into languages at all.

    And so on.

    Some "alpha males" have a hard time being in a #2 (or lower) position in anything they're involved in.


    Good observations. The only thing is we don't know what kind of position Fr. Doran will be in with the Maronites.

    We need to pray for him.


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    « Reply #26 on: December 12, 2016, 11:09:18 AM »
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  • Fr Duran is now
    assistant pastor at Saint Anthony of the desert , Fall River ,Ma.Maronite church .he is assisting Fr Joe Keddo .

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  • An interesting development regarding Father Doran. Quite a few people involved in the Indult Latin Mass scene in Ireland now attend Eastern liturgies. There seems to be a renewed interest in it.