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Offline Meg

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Re: First (SSPX) marriages under the diocesan structures
« Reply #15 on: August 26, 2017, 01:13:38 PM »
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  • Precisely, France is the only country where MOST of the faithful attend SSPX Masses. Elsewhere, it is mostly those who either have a resistance Mass or stay at home. The faith is paramount.

    I was not saying that the SSPX are schismatic (though in a certain way they are - like all modernists), but rather illustrating the principle that it is not simply a question of validity of sacraments which determines where we go to Mass. There are higher principles which must guide our actions. "Principles" here is even too weak a word to use. It is rather the Faith. We should be repulsed by heresy and have a disgust for it.

    This means by the very fact of what they stand for, we cannot attend the Masses of the Schismatics , and this applies to the SSPX.

    Schism is really a heresy as well. That being against the faith. Because it is part of the faith that the Church has one supreme head.

    In the last few minutes, Bishop Williamson just sent out his email. In it Fr. Girouard says what I mentioned up above.

    The USML is the PUML, being the Priestly Union of Marcel Lefebvre, a loose association of priests in France which has now disintegrated. Bishop Faure was a member.

    I love the Dominicans of Avrillé too. Don't get me wrong. But I don't have to agree with everything they say. I am totally convinced on the point of Mass attendance, and am not the only one who thinks they are dragging their heels. So I don't think it is a question of prudence.

    I don't doubt the FSSP is worse in a way than the SSPX. But that is just the same gradations you find in the Conciliar Church at large. You have to the left of the indulters those who go to the Latin Novus Ordo, then Opus Dei, etc. etc. Each one looks left and right. But  they are all under the Pope, which is the problem. ( Under him in a practical way.)

    I am familiar with the situation with Fr. Girouard. His chapel is about a four hour drive from me, plus it's over the Canadian border. I would attend if I could, but it's not really possible.

    Does the matter of Principals keep one from attending Mass an SSPX chapel? That's a personal decision, as far as I can see. I haven't seen that Fr. Girouard or Bishop Williamson has said that we cannot attend SSPX chapels. We have be prudent and careful, of course.

    At least at the SSPX there are not women leading the Rosary, or using the term "Holy Spirit" in stead of Holy Ghost when praying the Rosary before Mass. And I appreciate that there are far less women dressing immodestly, than at the FSSP parish. At this time, there is still a big difference between the SSPX and the FSSP. How long that will last, I cannot say.

    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29


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    Re: First (SSPX) marriages under the diocesan structures
    « Reply #16 on: August 27, 2017, 10:54:59 PM »
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  • In this case the SSPX matters, however it will be at another stage of its existence.  
    Fr. Bruno Lajoinie of the FSSPX says:

    "Hey Poche, I'm digging on your interpretations"
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi