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Re: Fr. Marshall Roberts Update?
« Reply #30 on: December 11, 2017, 06:32:46 PM »
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  • Correct. I should have said "friends".

    Fr. Marshall Roberts was at our chapel in York, PA for almost 1 1/2 years (2005-6) during which time, Fr. Pfeiffer was his frequent visitor until Fr. Roberts was removed for cause.  

    In our due diligence investigation regarding his background there was discovered several problems that would have ended any possibility of bringing him to Ss. Peter & Paul Roman Catholic Mission. Our Mission was helped at its foundation by sound priests from whom we relied upon for advice in such matters all of whom are now deceased.  Fr. Arthur DeMaio, a former professor of Thomistic theology at St. John University in New York who helped the SSPX  at the chapel in Pittston, PA acted as our representative by contacting priests that knew Fr. Roberts.  There were two recommendations that swayed our decision in favor of Fr. Roberts.  I will address the most important and essential without which Fr. Roberts would never have been accepted.  It came from Fr. John Fullerton who was then the district superior for the SSPX in the U.S.  His recommendation, through Fr. DeMaio, was fulsome.  

    We were contacted by a Catholic attorney from New York City accusing us of gross irresponsibility for bringing Fr. Roberts to our chapel.  She was told about Fr. Fullerton’s recommendation and then confronted Fr. Fullerton in public on this matter.  Fr. Fullerton denied ever having recommend Fr. Roberts and we received a letter from this attorney accusing us of having fabricated the recommendation. That letter is also available.

    We had nothing but trouble with Fr. Roberts from the first week he arrived.  He demonstrated a level of immaturity that can only be called puerile.  He had no convictions whatsoever and changed his direction all over the map sometimes in a matter of weeks always looking out for what he thought would be in his immediate interest. If there is any interest in the details I will provide several examples. There is also a letter written to Fr. Fullerton and +Fellay on our files.

    The immediate cause for which he was removed followed upon a meeting he called for with our board.  At this meeting Fr. Roberts delivered an ultimatum from Fr. John Fullerton.  We were told that we had three choices: 1) Become and indult community, 2) turn our property over to the SSPX through Fr. Roberts, or 3) continue as we were.  The first two choices were acceptable to Fr. Fullerton but we were threatened that if we choose the third option, we would enter a “desert of spiritual desolation” and he would insure that no priest would help us.

    Fr. Roberts was told to leave our chapel immediately and given two weeks to clear his apartment and return the car.  He left sooner than that completely trashing the apartment which took a full day for three persons to clean which included purchasing a new rug.  I have kept picture of the apartment as evidence.

    As for Fr. Roberts, he left immediately and went directly to Richfield CT where Fr. Gonzales and Fullerton received him.  Fr. Gonzales immediately contact Fr. DeMaio and asked him to never help us again.  Fr. DiMaio declined.  Fr. Roberts then went to the independent chapel in Jacksonville, Fl.  He was received there on the recommendation of Fr. Fullerton.  The board only asked from us if we had any evidence of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ predatory behavior of Fr. Roberts.  We did not.  They were not interested in any other information regarding Fr. Roberts behavior at our chapel.

    Someone from Jacksonville recently visited the Mission in York and I shared some of these facts with him.  He did not look surprised, and seemed interested in hearing it.

    Correction:
    The years were 2004-2005. 
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    Re: Fr. Marshall Roberts Update?
    « Reply #31 on: December 11, 2017, 08:59:33 PM »
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  • We had nothing but trouble with Fr. Roberts from the first week he arrived.  He demonstrated a level of immaturity that can only be called puerile.  He had no convictions whatsoever and changed his direction all over the map sometimes in a matter of weeks always looking out for what he thought would be in his immediate interest.
    What do you mean by that?
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    Re: Fr. Marshall Roberts Update?
    « Reply #32 on: December 12, 2017, 12:01:29 AM »
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  • What do you mean by that?
    What language would you prefer?
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    Re: Fr. Marshall Roberts Update?
    « Reply #33 on: December 12, 2017, 06:39:25 AM »
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  • What do you mean by that?


    In a lengthy letter to Fr. Fullerton after Fr. Roberts was told to leave, there are things detailed that even we had forgotten about.
     
    To begin with, Fr. Roberts came here with the full understanding that the Mission had formally adopted the pre Bugnini Missal from its inception. It is in its by-laws. In fact, it was one of my husband's (D.Drew) three conditions for getting involved in it and agreeing to accept the position of chairman of the board of directors. Fr. Roberts enthusiastically agreed saying that this Missal was his preference.
     
    After a few weeks, he announced that he will no longer offer the pre-1955 Missal  after being told by an SSPX priest that "only sedevacantes" use that Missal. He was told by my husband that the Mission's bulletin will continue to reflect the pre-1955 Missal.
     
    At that time, (now) Fr. Mackin, as a young seminarian and his family used to attend Mass in York. The first summer the young seminarian was home on vacation, the Mackins were not coming to the Mission. Fr. Roberts went to their home to ask the reason. He was told that bishop Fellay had forbidden the seminarian to come to SS. Peter and Paul Mission under Fr. Roberts. We were told this both by Fr. Roberts and Mrs. Mackin.
     
    After that, and a failed attempt to have the Mission formally adopt the 1962 Missal, Fr. Roberts began to secretly campaign to turn the Mission into an indult. He had even board members convinced. Only the three tenured board members didn't know about this campaign until the time came for an appointment with the Vicar General of the Diocese of hαɾɾιsburg for his incardination.  A few days before the appointment with the V.G., Fr. Roberts met individually with the three tenured board members I believe on the same day. He came to my home to meet with my husband begging him to turn the Mission over to the Diocese of hαɾɾιsburg in exchange for his incardination. My husband told him that the Mission had already rejected two offers by the Diocese to make us "the" indult community before they started the indult Mass in hαɾɾιsburg. My husband called the other two tenured members and agreed to send a letter immediately to Bishop Rhoades (which by the way, was charitable to Fr. Roberts all things considered). http://www.saintspeterandpaulrcm.com/OPEN%20LETTERS/letter_to_bishop_kevin_c_rhoades.htm
     
    The Diocese of course cancelled their appointment with Fr. Roberts who became furious and in a sermon accused the Mission of being run like a Protestant church under a board of directors. He advised the people to leave and some left immediately, about 50% of the remaining left to the indult when he has told to leave York. I should add that he stole the Holy Oils which the Mission had obtained through a priest, now deceased who was very fond of it.
     
    Fr. Roberts didn't tell the people he was going directly to another independent chapel run by a Board of Directors who voted his acceptance (also at the recommendation of Fr. Fullerton).
     
    That Fr. Fullerton would recommend Fr Roberts to St. Michael the Archangel in Jacksonville after being informed on Fr. Roberts, says it all. I was told by someone in Jacksonville, that although the SSPX is helping them, the B.D.s is still in place. May God protect them.
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    Re: Fr. Marshall Roberts Update?
    « Reply #34 on: December 12, 2017, 07:27:40 AM »
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  • In a lengthy letter to Fr. Fullerton after Fr. Roberts was told to leave, there are things detailed that even we had forgotten about.
     
    To begin with, Fr. Roberts came here with the full understanding that the Mission had formally adopted the pre Bugnini Missal from its inception. It is in its by-laws. In fact, it was one of my husband's (D.Drew) three conditions for getting involved in it and agreeing to accept the position of chairman of the board of directors. Fr. Roberts enthusiastically agreed saying that this Missal was his preference.
     
    After a few weeks, he announced that he will no longer offer the pre-1955 Missal  after being told by an SSPX priest that "only sedevacantes" use that Missal. He was told by my husband that the Mission's bulletin will continue to reflect the pre-1955 Missal.
     
    At that time, (now) Fr. Mackin, as a young seminarian and his family used to attend Mass in York. The first summer the young seminarian was home on vacation, the Mackins were not coming to the Mission. Fr. Roberts went to their home to ask the reason. He was told that bishop Fellay had forbidden the seminarian to come to SS. Peter and Paul Mission under Fr. Roberts. We were told this both by Fr. Roberts and Mrs. Mackin.
     
    After that, and a failed attempt to have the Mission formally adopt the 1962 Missal, Fr. Roberts began to secretly campaign to turn the Mission into an indult. He had even board members convinced. Only the three tenured board members didn't know about this campaign until the time came for an appointment with the Vicar General of the Diocese of hαɾɾιsburg for his incardination.  A few days before the appointment with the V.G., Fr. Roberts met individually with the three tenured board members I believe on the same day. He came to my home to meet with my husband begging him to turn the Mission over to the Diocese of hαɾɾιsburg in exchange for his incardination. My husband told him that the Mission had already rejected two offers by the Diocese to make us "the" indult community before they started the indult Mass in hαɾɾιsburg. My husband called the other two tenured members and agreed to send a letter immediately to Bishop Rhoades (which by the way, was charitable to Fr. Roberts all things considered). http://www.saintspeterandpaulrcm.com/OPEN%20LETTERS/letter_to_bishop_kevin_c_rhoades.htm
     
    The Diocese of course cancelled their appointment with Fr. Roberts who became furious and in a sermon accused the Mission of being run like a Protestant church under a board of directors. He advised the people to leave and some left immediately, about 50% of the remaining left to the indult when he has told to leave York. I should add that he stole the Holy Oils which the Mission had obtained through a priest, now deceased who was very fond of it.
     
    Fr. Roberts didn't tell the people he was going directly to another independent chapel run by a Board of Directors who voted his acceptance (also at the recommendation of Fr. Fullerton).
     
    That Fr. Fullerton would recommend Fr Roberts to St. Michael the Archangel in Jacksonville after being informed on Fr. Roberts, says it all. I was told by someone in Jacksonville, that although the SSPX is helping them, the B.D.s is still in place. May God protect them.
    1) Happy to read that your chapel has clung to the fully Catholic, pre-Pius XII "reformed" missal.

    2) The MO for SSPX involvement in independent chapels is that there is a 1 year "probation" period, where the two sides see if they like each other.  After that, the SSPX, if they want the chapel, will require ownership.  Moreover, my understanding is that the SSPX prior in Sanford is Fr. Vernoy (i.e., "It is a mortal sin to refuse a deal from the Pope," and the other lone SSPX signatory besides Bishop Fellay to the Fraternal Correction, before that signature inexplicably disappeared).
    In short, that chapel is all but doomed, barring a new priest emerging from somewhere.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."


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    Re: Fr. Marshall Roberts Update?
    « Reply #35 on: December 12, 2017, 08:52:50 AM »
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  • 1) Happy to read that your chapel has clung to the fully Catholic, pre-Pius XII "reformed" missal.

    2) The MO for SSPX involvement in independent chapels is that there is a 1 year "probation" period, where the two sides see if they like each other.  After that, the SSPX, if they want the chapel, will require ownership.  Moreover, my understanding is that the SSPX prior in Sanford is Fr. Vernoy (i.e., "It is a mortal sin to refuse a deal from the Pope," and the other lone SSPX signatory besides Bishop Fellay to the Fraternal Correction, before that signature inexplicably disappeared).
    In short, that chapel is all but doomed, barring a new priest emerging from somewhere.
    Fr Vernoy's first posting was in Asia District which some consider to be an SSPX gulag

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    Re: Fr. Marshall Roberts Update?
    « Reply #36 on: December 12, 2017, 11:31:31 AM »
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  • I'm wondering why Fr. Pfeiffer would take this Fr. Roberts into his fold knowing that reputations of his seminarians are affected by Roberts' presence there?

    It's because anyone willing to pay obeisance to Father Pfeiffer's fiefdom (say that quickly five times) will be welcomed with open arms.

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    « Reply #37 on: December 12, 2017, 12:01:25 PM »
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  • It's because anyone willing to pay obeisance to Father Pfeiffer's fiefdom (say that quickly five times) will be welcomed with open arms.
    Fr. Pfeiffer refused to listen to anybody about Moran and was squashed into passive submission. Does Fr Pfeiffer enjoy being crucified for all the wrong reasons?  I don't get it.  This notion that if he is getting kicked around he's doing the right thing is a pattern, fine. But this seriously appears to be a death wish.  For someone so adamant about running a seminary, this is mass ѕυιcιdє. 
    Pay obeisance to fiefdom?  Sorry, I was unable to type it more than once. 


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    Re: Fr. Marshall Roberts Update?
    « Reply #38 on: December 12, 2017, 12:11:30 PM »
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  • In a lengthy letter to Fr. Fullerton after Fr. Roberts was told to leave, there are things detailed that even we had forgotten about.
     
    To begin with, Fr. Roberts came here with the full understanding that the Mission had formally adopted the pre Bugnini Missal from its inception. It is in its by-laws. In fact, it was one of my husband's (D.Drew) three conditions for getting involved in it and agreeing to accept the position of chairman of the board of directors. Fr. Roberts enthusiastically agreed saying that this Missal was his preference.
     
    After a few weeks, he announced that he will no longer offer the pre-1955 Missal  after being told by an SSPX priest that "only sedevacantes" use that Missal. He was told by my husband that the Mission's bulletin will continue to reflect the pre-1955 Missal.
     
    At that time, (now) Fr. Mackin, as a young seminarian and his family used to attend Mass in York. The first summer the young seminarian was home on vacation, the Mackins were not coming to the Mission. Fr. Roberts went to their home to ask the reason. He was told that bishop Fellay had forbidden the seminarian to come to SS. Peter and Paul Mission under Fr. Roberts. We were told this both by Fr. Roberts and Mrs. Mackin.
     
    After that, and a failed attempt to have the Mission formally adopt the 1962 Missal, Fr. Roberts began to secretly campaign to turn the Mission into an indult. He had even board members convinced. Only the three tenured board members didn't know about this campaign until the time came for an appointment with the Vicar General of the Diocese of hαɾɾιsburg for his incardination.  A few days before the appointment with the V.G., Fr. Roberts met individually with the three tenured board members I believe on the same day. He came to my home to meet with my husband begging him to turn the Mission over to the Diocese of hαɾɾιsburg in exchange for his incardination. My husband told him that the Mission had already rejected two offers by the Diocese to make us "the" indult community before they started the indult Mass in hαɾɾιsburg. My husband called the other two tenured members and agreed to send a letter immediately to Bishop Rhoades (which by the way, was charitable to Fr. Roberts all things considered). http://www.saintspeterandpaulrcm.com/OPEN%20LETTERS/letter_to_bishop_kevin_c_rhoades.htm
     
    The Diocese of course cancelled their appointment with Fr. Roberts who became furious and in a sermon accused the Mission of being run like a Protestant church under a board of directors. He advised the people to leave and some left immediately, about 50% of the remaining left to the indult when he has told to leave York. I should add that he stole the Holy Oils which the Mission had obtained through a priest, now deceased who was very fond of it.
     
    Fr. Roberts didn't tell the people he was going directly to another independent chapel run by a Board of Directors who voted his acceptance (also at the recommendation of Fr. Fullerton).
     
    That Fr. Fullerton would recommend Fr Roberts to St. Michael the Archangel in Jacksonville after being informed on Fr. Roberts, says it all. I was told by someone in Jacksonville, that although the SSPX is helping them, the B.D.s is still in place. May God protect them.
    Since you seem to be very well-informed regarding Fr. Roberts, do you know of any instances where he did something similar to the perverse acts he is accused of by some of the other members? 
    It is a very grave accusation, and difficult to believe. 
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    Re: Fr. Marshall Roberts Update?
    « Reply #39 on: December 12, 2017, 12:29:25 PM »
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  • It's because anyone willing to pay obeisance to Father Pfeiffer's fiefdom (say that quickly five times) will be welcomed with open arms.
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    Yes.  I said this maybe two years ago, that Fr. Pfeiffer's only and singular condition is loyalty.  It's not the Catholic faith, not even in some weird "the Catholic faith reduces to exactly what we're doing" subjective type of way; Pablo the amateur exorcist, Moran the schismatic (in the most literal sense), Tetherow, Roberts, and all the rest have one thing in common.  If you'll lock arms and walk step in step with Pfeiffer, that's all that matters to him.  Sad, but true.
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).

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    Re: Fr. Marshall Roberts Update?
    « Reply #40 on: December 12, 2017, 12:40:41 PM »
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  • Nooseph,

    Roberts was ejected from a diocesan seminary for making unwanted advances to another seminarian.  That was the early-mid nineties.  He left (or was expelled? can't recall) the SSPX to join with Fr. Urrigoity and the newly formed Society of St. John, which was basically a homo-paradise and where he shared a bed with a young man.  He's recently ejected from Jacksonville for smooching a married man. 

    I've not met him but others who have (Ladislaus was in seminary with him) attest to his effeminacy.  There's a trail of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ impropriety wherever he goes.  Either everyone is out to get him or he's a fruit. 

    Plus, people who are inclined toward that vice tend to regularly "remake" themselves.  He used to be Fr. Marshall Roberts, then he was saying he was a Dominican ("Fr. Dominic Mary of the Pillar, I think").  Then he was Fr Roberts again, and now he's saying he's a Franciscan.  These are unstable people, and his record is consistent with the instability one finds in individuals who "lean that way." 

    It could very well be the case that he is tortured by these temptations and loathes them.  I don't say that he's positively trying to infiltrate traditional Catholic circles to sodomize our young men or that he takes pride in them.  In fact, given that he keeps trying to be a priest when it'd be a hell of a lot easier to not be seems to suggest that his... inclinations notwithstanding, he wants to do the right thing.  But it's clear enough that he is deeply troubled by these types of things, and the diocesan seminary did the right thing by rejecting him.  He never should have been ordained in the first place.  Good vetting procedures would have kept him far away from a position of quasi-authority.  Alas, that didn't happen, but he is what he is, his behavior attests to it time and time again, and I think that's all there is to it, and I think that's all someone needs to know to stay far, far away. 
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).


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    Re: Fr. Marshall Roberts Update?
    « Reply #41 on: December 12, 2017, 12:52:24 PM »
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  • Since you seem to be very well-informed regarding Fr. Roberts, do you know of any instances where he did something similar to the perverse acts he is accused of by some of the other members?
    It is a very grave accusation, and difficult to believe.

    I'm only aware of the three teenage boys remaining at the chapel after his dismisal telling their parents they were happy he was gone because they felt "very uncomfortable" with him in the confessional. 
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    « Reply #42 on: December 12, 2017, 01:12:32 PM »
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    Yes.  I said this maybe two years ago, that Fr. Pfeiffer's only and singular condition is loyalty.  It's not the Catholic faith, not even in some weird "the Catholic faith reduces to exactly what we're doing" subjective type of way; Pablo the amateur exorcist, Moran the schismatic (in the most literal sense), Tetherow, Roberts, and all the rest have one thing in common.  If you'll lock arms and walk step in step with Pfeiffer, that's all that matters to him.  Sad, but true.

    Fr. Pfeiffer should know by now that the last thing he can expect from Fr. Roberts, is loyalty. 
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    Re: Fr. Marshall Roberts Update?
    « Reply #43 on: December 12, 2017, 01:23:08 PM »
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  • If this is true, I can't imagine him lasting more than a couple months over there. I wouldn't think he'd put up with Pablo, or any of the other b.s. that goes on at that place.
    In light of the recent comments here, perhaps I should have said "I wouldn't think they'd put up with Fr. Roberts, or any of the b.s. that he brings.". Unfortunately, that would be a very naive statement to make. 
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    Re: Fr. Marshall Roberts Update?
    « Reply #44 on: February 14, 2019, 08:37:36 PM »
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  • He's in portales, NM, for anyone who wants to warn anyone.

    http://thecatacombs.org/thread/1797/masses-said

    Fr. Marshall Roberts
    PO Box 291
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