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Offline Nooseph Polten

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Re: Fr. Marshall Roberts Update?
« Reply #15 on: December 09, 2017, 07:35:53 PM »
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  • Have you ever met him and talked to him?
    No. Why?
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    Re: Fr. Marshall Roberts Update?
    « Reply #16 on: December 09, 2017, 09:07:40 PM »
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  • Required reading from Randy Engel:
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    Full article, with sources: http://www.newengelpublishing.com/exploiting-traditionalist-orders-the-society-of-st-john/
    Fr. Roberts spent the better part of 6 months with the SSJ.  That is ALL you need to know.  
    First fr. Pfeiffer pushing fr. Tetherow as "our friend", then his vulgar and explicit sermon recently, and now showing friendship with fr. Roberts.  "Birds of a feather?", as he says about b. Williamson?

    God help those seminarians and young boys on the altar.

    Fr. Pfeiffer has lost his mind, completely.


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    Re: Fr. Marshall Roberts Update?
    « Reply #17 on: December 09, 2017, 09:28:43 PM »
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  • Can you elaborate on these "similar incidents"? I'm just having a hard time believing some of the accusations posted here. He seems like a holy and pious priest from what I can tell.
    Some people are just good salesmen ...

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    Re: Fr. Marshall Roberts Update?
    « Reply #18 on: December 09, 2017, 09:43:18 PM »
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  • If this is true, I can't imagine him lasting more than a couple months over there.
    It is true:


    No one who goes there lasts long, if they have any sense.  Our beloved fr. Hewko has lost his way.  Pray for him.

    Who will be fr. Pfeiffers next guest, fr. Urutigoity or fr. Ensey?  May God have mercy on them.

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    Re: Fr. Marshall Roberts Update?
    « Reply #19 on: December 09, 2017, 11:33:05 PM »
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  • Fr. Roberts spent the better part of 6 months with the SSJ.  That is ALL you need to know.  
    First fr. Pfeiffer pushing fr. Tetherow as "our friend", then his vulgar and explicit sermon recently, and now showing friendship with fr. Roberts.  "Birds of a feather?", as he says about b. Williamson?

    God help those seminarians and young boys on the altar.

    Fr. Pfeiffer has lost his mind, completely.

    Fr.  Pfeiffer and Fr. Roberts  have been close friends for a long time. 
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    Re: Fr. Marshall Roberts Update?
    « Reply #20 on: December 10, 2017, 01:53:45 AM »
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  • No. Why?
    You and another asked for more proof, and I asked the both of you the same question; have you ever met Fr. Roberts?". You answered; No Why?

    The reason I asked that question is because all the people that have advised on Fr. Roberts have known him personally, been his parishioners, seminarians with him etc. Meanwhile both of you ignore the advice  from those with first hand experience and "want more proof".

    The final proof is in meeting him, he is EXTREMELY effeminate. He is an excellent sermonist and gives good advise outside of the confessional (I have never gone to confession with him), but he is a bad example for the children and young adults when he goes into extreme effeminate role, something which men like that have to learn to control over time. He has not learned. Notice that I have not mentioned his not controlling his desires for relationships with men. His history shows that quite clear. It is  a very dangerous situation to entrust your young children, teens, and young men to  confessor like that who is going to give them advise that you are not privy too. Do I need say more?

    He needs to be sent to a monastery for the sake of his soul, and be watched very closely by men with an eye for these things.
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    Re: Fr. Marshall Roberts Update?
    « Reply #21 on: December 10, 2017, 07:33:58 AM »
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  • Fr.  Pfeiffer and Fr. Roberts  have been close friends for a long time.
     I have taught my children that friends should be good for you.  If they are not, they should not be your friend.  How can being friends with such a priest be good for fr. Pf?  How can he be friends with a priest who should not be doing public masses?  How can he justify exposing all those young men  and boys to such a priest?  Sounds like the SSJ all over again.
    and he complains about b. Williamson and our new fr. Mbadugha...  

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    Re: Fr. Marshall Roberts Update?
    « Reply #22 on: December 10, 2017, 07:51:03 AM »
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  • The final proof is in meeting him, he is EXTREMELY effeminate.

    Alas, yes he is.  I knew him quite well.  I really question why +Williamson ordained these men.  Father Roberts came from Christ the King with many warnings.  Urrutigoity from Argentina with many warnings.  And Fr. Urrutigoity (I was there when he was a sub deacon and deacon at Winona) was gathering a number of young men around himself and creating a personality cult ... exactly what the Argentinian rector warned him against.  At one point he took a shine to me and tried to rope me into his circle.  I wasn't into personality cults.  This was well known, and all these guys ended up flocking together to SSJ ... AFTER having been ordained by SSPX and +Williamson.  Now +Williamson didn't personally ordain them all, but he was the rector and made the decision about whether they were to be ordained.


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    Re: Fr. Marshall Roberts Update?
    « Reply #23 on: December 10, 2017, 03:07:58 PM »
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  • I have taught my children that friends should be good for you.  If they are not, they should not be your friend.  How can being friends with such a priest be good for fr. Pf?  How can he be friends with a priest who should not be doing public masses?  How can he justify exposing all those young men  and boys to such a priest?  Sounds like the SSJ all over again.
    and he complains about b. Williamson and our new fr. Mbadugha...  

    Correct. I should have said "friends".

    Fr. Marshall Roberts was at our chapel in York, PA for almost 1 1/2 years (2005-6) during which time, Fr. Pfeiffer was his frequent visitor until Fr. Roberts was removed for cause. 

    In our due diligence investigation regarding his background there was discovered several problems that would have ended any possibility of bringing him to Ss. Peter & Paul Roman Catholic Mission. Our Mission was helped at its foundation by sound priests from whom we relied upon for advice in such matters all of whom are now deceased.  Fr. Arthur DeMaio, a former professor of Thomistic theology at St. John University in New York who helped the SSPX  at the chapel in Pittston, PA acted as our representative by contacting priests that knew Fr. Roberts.  There were two recommendations that swayed our decision in favor of Fr. Roberts.  I will address the most important and essential without which Fr. Roberts would never have been accepted.  It came from Fr. John Fullerton who was then the district superior for the SSPX in the U.S.  His recommendation, through Fr. DeMaio, was fulsome. 

    We were contacted by a Catholic attorney from New York City accusing us of gross irresponsibility for bringing Fr. Roberts to our chapel.  She was told about Fr. Fullerton’s recommendation and then confronted Fr. Fullerton in public on this matter.  Fr. Fullerton denied ever having recommend Fr. Roberts and we received a letter from this attorney accusing us of having fabricated the recommendation. That letter is also available.

    We had nothing but trouble with Fr. Roberts from the first week he arrived.  He demonstrated a level of immaturity that can only be called puerile.  He had no convictions whatsoever and changed his direction all over the map sometimes in a matter of weeks always looking out for what he thought would be in his immediate interest. If there is any interest in the details I will provide several examples. There is also a letter written to Fr. Fullerton and +Fellay on our files.

    The immediate cause for which he was removed followed upon a meeting he called for with our board.  At this meeting Fr. Roberts delivered an ultimatum from Fr. John Fullerton.  We were told that we had three choices: 1) Become and indult community, 2) turn our property over to the SSPX through Fr. Roberts, or 3) continue as we were.  The first two choices were acceptable to Fr. Fullerton but we were threatened that if we choose the third option, we would enter a “desert of spiritual desolation” and he would insure that no priest would help us.

    Fr. Roberts was told to leave our chapel immediately and given two weeks to clear his apartment and return the car.  He left sooner than that completely trashing the apartment which took a full day for three persons to clean which included purchasing a new rug.  I have kept picture of the apartment as evidence.

    As for Fr. Roberts, he left immediately and went directly to Richfield CT where Fr. Gonzales and Fullerton received him.  Fr. Gonzales immediately contact Fr. DeMaio and asked him to never help us again.  Fr. DiMaio declined.  Fr. Roberts then went to the independent chapel in Jacksonville, Fl.  He was received there on the recommendation of Fr. Fullerton.  The board only asked from us if we had any evidence of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ predatory behavior of Fr. Roberts.  We did not.  They were not interested in any other information regarding Fr. Roberts behavior at our chapel.

    Someone from Jacksonville recently visited the Mission in York and I shared some of these facts with him.  He did not look surprised, and seemed interested in hearing it.
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    Re: Fr. Marshall Roberts Update?
    « Reply #24 on: December 10, 2017, 03:57:41 PM »
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    At this meeting Fr. Roberts delivered an ultimatum from Fr. John Fullerton.  We were told that we had three choices: 1) Become and indult community, 2) turn our property over to the SSPX through Fr. Roberts, or 3) continue as we were.  The first two choices were acceptable to Fr. Fullerton but we were threatened that if we choose the third option, we would enter a “desert of spiritual desolation” and he would insure that no priest would help us.


    It sounds like the SSPX's advice was not an unattached sincere recommendation, but motivated by the desire for a land grab.

    Is your chapel still independent and owned by the parishioners?
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    Re: Fr. Marshall Roberts Update?
    « Reply #25 on: December 10, 2017, 04:42:19 PM »
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  • It sounds like the SSPX's advice was not an unattached sincere recommendation, but motivated by the desire for a land grab.

    Is your chapel still independent and owned by the parishioners?

    Yes, it is.
    This was not the only take over attempt. But I'll leave at this.
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    Re: Fr. Marshall Roberts Update?
    « Reply #26 on: December 11, 2017, 08:37:52 AM »
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  • Correct. I should have said "friends".

    Fr. Marshall Roberts was at our chapel in York, PA for almost 1 1/2 years (2005-6) during which time, Fr. Pfeiffer was his frequent visitor until Fr. Roberts was removed for cause.  

    In our due diligence investigation regarding his background there was discovered several problems that would have ended any possibility of bringing him to Ss. Peter & Paul Roman Catholic Mission. Our Mission was helped at its foundation by sound priests from whom we relied upon for advice in such matters all of whom are now deceased.  Fr. Arthur DeMaio, a former professor of Thomistic theology at St. John University in New York who helped the SSPX  at the chapel in Pittston, PA acted as our representative by contacting priests that knew Fr. Roberts.  There were two recommendations that swayed our decision in favor of Fr. Roberts.  I will address the most important and essential without which Fr. Roberts would never have been accepted.  It came from Fr. John Fullerton who was then the district superior for the SSPX in the U.S.  His recommendation, through Fr. DeMaio, was fulsome.  

    We were contacted by a Catholic attorney from New York City accusing us of gross irresponsibility for bringing Fr. Roberts to our chapel.  She was told about Fr. Fullerton’s recommendation and then confronted Fr. Fullerton in public on this matter.  Fr. Fullerton denied ever having recommend Fr. Roberts and we received a letter from this attorney accusing us of having fabricated the recommendation. That letter is also available.

    We had nothing but trouble with Fr. Roberts from the first week he arrived.  He demonstrated a level of immaturity that can only be called puerile.  He had no convictions whatsoever and changed his direction all over the map sometimes in a matter of weeks always looking out for what he thought would be in his immediate interest. If there is any interest in the details I will provide several examples. There is also a letter written to Fr. Fullerton and +Fellay on our files.

    The immediate cause for which he was removed followed upon a meeting he called for with our board.  At this meeting Fr. Roberts delivered an ultimatum from Fr. John Fullerton.  We were told that we had three choices: 1) Become and indult community, 2) turn our property over to the SSPX through Fr. Roberts, or 3) continue as we were.  The first two choices were acceptable to Fr. Fullerton but we were threatened that if we choose the third option, we would enter a “desert of spiritual desolation” and he would insure that no priest would help us.

    Fr. Roberts was told to leave our chapel immediately and given two weeks to clear his apartment and return the car.  He left sooner than that completely trashing the apartment which took a full day for three persons to clean which included purchasing a new rug.  I have kept picture of the apartment as evidence.

    As for Fr. Roberts, he left immediately and went directly to Richfield CT where Fr. Gonzales and Fullerton received him.  Fr. Gonzales immediately contact Fr. DeMaio and asked him to never help us again.  Fr. DiMaio declined.  Fr. Roberts then went to the independent chapel in Jacksonville, Fl.  He was received there on the recommendation of Fr. Fullerton.  The board only asked from us if we had any evidence of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ predatory behavior of Fr. Roberts.  We did not.  They were not interested in any other information regarding Fr. Roberts behavior at our chapel.

    Someone from Jacksonville recently visited the Mission in York and I shared some of these facts with him.  He did not look surprised, and seemed interested in hearing it.
    So many lay people across the world have suffered at the hands of Traditional Catholic priests. When things go well they take the credit. When they go wrong, the lay people are blamed. I've noticed this sort of thing for 25 years, there's so much to say but I dont know where to start.

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    Re: Fr. Marshall Roberts Update?
    « Reply #27 on: December 11, 2017, 09:05:31 AM »
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  • I WAS on the Board of Trustees at an independent Traditional chapel run by a priest who was ordained pre-Vatican II.  Since he was getting older, he was concerned about having the faithful taken care of after he passed away so he felt his best bet was the SSPX.  He talked to the SSPX about leaving everything to them, and they would only do it if they signed everything over with no strings attached.  I refused to sign it and resigned from the Board.  I cautioned the priest that it's very likely that the SSPX would just sell off the property because there are two actual SSPX chapels within an hour in either direction.  His property and the land is worth a lot since it borders on a ritzy country club and a housing developer would probably pay a lot to get it ... to build half-million dollar homes on it; he's got a LOT of land attached to the chapel.  I predicted that the SSPX would sell it to help finance their seminary project and tell the faithful they can go to the other chapels.  He didn't believe that.  I told him that I would not sign it over unless there were legal clauses in there that the SSPX would have to send a priest at least once a week and that they couldn't sell off the property.  But I knew, as I was saying this, that SSPX would never go for that.  Then I advised him to bring in some independent priest to help him now and then transition over when he couldn't function anymore ... and leave the property under the control of the Board.  He didn't want to do that.  So I refused to sign and resigned from the Board.

    Then a couple years ago the priest broke his hip and couldn't offer Mass ... just before Christmas.  He called SSPX for help and they offered to send a priest for a couple weeks mid-afternoon.  But Father was upset by this and threatened to undo the trust stipulations to hand over the property.  After the threat, SSPX sent none other than Bishop Tissier over to offer a 9AM Mass on Christmas Day.  Before that day, Father obtained the services of a Traditional Redemptorist priest to fill in for a couple

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    Re: Fr. Marshall Roberts Update?
    « Reply #28 on: December 11, 2017, 09:40:12 AM »
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  • Can we have the rest of the story, Ladislaus?
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).

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    Re: Fr. Marshall Roberts Update?
    « Reply #29 on: December 11, 2017, 09:46:11 AM »
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  • Can we have the rest of the story, Ladislaus?

    That's all there is for now.  Priest is still there and is very active for his age.  I did suggest that he look into the Resistance priests.

    I see how the post looks cut off.  I must have forgotten to add "weeks." at the end, but that was going to be it.