Author Topic: Fr. Libietis and AB brochures (Read 32548 times)

PaxAeternum · « **on:** September 08, 2012, 11:50:33 AM »

In his Sept 2, 2012 sermon Fr. Pfeiffer read from a brochures (link below) quotes from Archbishop Lefebvre and someone told me that it was Fr. Libietis who helped make those two brochures. Also someone told me that Fr. Pfeiffer said that Fr. Libietis had been expelled from the SSPX. I checked with the SSPX and they said that Fr. Libietis had left. So does anyone know what happened to Fr. Libietis?

The brochures are posted at:
archbishop lefebvre 1987 - 1990

Archbishop Lefebvre 1974 - 1986

JacobRCharpentier · « **Reply #1 on:** September 09, 2012, 12:00:48 AM »

First, I would agree that the AB docuмent looks like Fr. Libietis' work. Now for your question. I too would like to know what happened to Fr. Libietis. I had heard he had left the SSPX, but no details. I posted a message on the Yahoo Roman_Catholic group about this subject. I received a personal response as follows:

I didn't want to post this to the List but Fr. Libietis is no long with the SSPX. He was told to leave by Fr. Rostand, his superior. His current location is not known to me.

I responded with disbelief, etc. to which I received the following reply.

It seems to have been a personality clash between priests, a problem that we are all prone to. It is hard to rise above the human condition, even for a priest. We just have to keep clinging to the sides of the boat of St. Peter and not get sidelined by issues beyond our control.

I said a personality clash is hardly reason for being "told to leave." and from that message I received this.

I used the wrong words. As you say, personality clash seems arbitrary and insignificant. More accurately, I heard there was a disobedience issue, first in the priory where Fr. L. was assigned, and then with Fr. R himself. I don't know any more details than that.

That sounds like they know more than they are saying. That was May 2011. The only other thing I have heard is that Fr. Libietis is still a priest, meaning he did not turn his collar around.

I anyone knows more than this, I would like to hear some news.

You know, when I first met Fr. Libietis more than 15 years ago, I assumed all SSPX priests were like him. He was the first I knew. I also had brief encounters with Frs. Hewko and T. Pfeifer. I thought they were all like that. I think I met a few rare examples of real priests.

This is long. If you get this far, thanks for reading and pray for our priests.

Jake

PaxAeternum · « **Reply #2 on:** September 09, 2012, 08:02:46 AM »

Jake,

Thank You. That Fr. Libietis would write or contribute to anti-sellout brochures simply using the words of Archbishop Lefebvre may have been one reason he was expelled by Fr. Rostand.

I remember Fr. Libietis coming to our chapel promoting the Legion of Mary and no one is doing that anymore. He wrote a book about the Consecration to Mary. So I think he has a strong devotion to the Virgin Mary.

I was really shocked when I heard that Fr. Libietis had been expelled from the SSPX and you are saying you were told it was Fr. Rostand who did that. And Fr. Rostand appears to be a strong supporter of Bishop Fellay. Hmmm.....

Ecclesia Militans · « **Reply #3 on:** September 09, 2012, 10:01:24 AM »

I don't think a District Superior has the authority to expel a priest from the SSPX without Menzingen's official backing.

NeelyAnn · « **Reply #4 on:** September 09, 2012, 10:24:08 AM »

Quote from: PaxAeternum

Jake,

Thank You. That Fr. Libietis would write or contribute to anti-sellout brochures simply using the words of Archbishop Lefebvre may have been one reason he was expelled by Fr. Rostand.

...

I was really shocked when I heard that Fr. Libietis had been expelled from the SSPX and you are saying you were told it was Fr. Rostand who did that. And Fr. Rostand appears to be a strong supporter of Bishop Fellay. Hmmm.....

Let's not be so quick to jump to conclusions. The next thing you know, your conclusion will become the next rumor. Re-read the message above. The date that the info was received was May 2011 - not May 2012. With that, we know he was gone at least in May 2011, and most likely some time prior. That does not correspond with anything having to do with recent 'anti-sellout' brochures.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #5 on:** September 09, 2012, 01:13:35 PM »

Quote from: NeelyAnn

Quote from: PaxAeternum
Jake,

Thank You. That Fr. Libietis would write or contribute to anti-sellout brochures simply using the words of Archbishop Lefebvre may have been one reason he was expelled by Fr. Rostand.

...

I was really shocked when I heard that Fr. Libietis had been expelled from the SSPX and you are saying you were told it was Fr. Rostand who did that. And Fr. Rostand appears to be a strong supporter of Bishop Fellay. Hmmm.....

Let's not be so quick to jump to conclusions. The next thing you know, your conclusion will become the next rumor. Re-read the message above. The date that the info was received was May 2011 - not May 2012. With that, we know he was gone at least in May 2011, and most likely some time prior. That does not correspond with anything having to do with recent 'anti-sellout' brochures.

Certainly it's recent enough, and part of a pattern.

Father Libietis was another very much loved and admired SSPX priest.

Sienna629 · « **Reply #6 on:** September 09, 2012, 01:46:05 PM »

Quote from: PaxAeternum

Jake,

Thank You. That Fr. Libietis would write or contribute to anti-sellout brochures simply using the words of Archbishop Lefebvre may have been one reason he was expelled by Fr. Rostand.

I remember Fr. Libietis coming to our chapel promoting the Legion of Mary and no one is doing that anymore. He wrote a book about the Consecration to Mary. So I think he has a strong devotion to the Virgin Mary.

I was really shocked when I heard that Fr. Libietis had been expelled from the SSPX and you are saying you were told it was Fr. Rostand who did that. And Fr. Rostand appears to be a strong supporter of Bishop Fellay. Hmmm.....

Our Lady of Akita (Japan Oct 13, 1973) foretold that "The priests who venerate me will be scorned and opposed by their Confreres."

We see this rather strikingly, not only with the SSPX priests who are speaking out against an agreement, but also with Father Gruner. The anti-agreement priests venerate Mary and recognize that this will be Her job, in God's good time, trusting in Her promise to us that "Only I can help you."

PaxAeternum · « **Reply #7 on:** September 09, 2012, 03:37:04 PM »

Quote from: NeelyAnn

Let's not be so quick to jump to conclusions. The next thing you know, your conclusion will become the next rumor. Re-read the message above. The date that the info was received was May 2011 - not May 2012. With that, we know he was gone at least in May 2011, and most likely some time prior. That does not correspond with anything having to do with recent 'anti-sellout' brochures.

This is not a rumor because I was told that Fr. Pfeiffer himself said that Fr. Libietis worked on those brochures about Archbishop Lefebvre quotes. Remember that there were Priests being expelled since 2009 (like Father Méramo) and there have been many other SSPX Priests that have just left on their own as part of the 'anti-sellout' since 2009.

And yes Fr. Rostand was obviously told to expell Fr. Libietis.

JacobRCharpentier · « **Reply #8 on:** September 10, 2012, 06:25:23 AM »

Quote from: PaxAeternum

.... That Fr. Libietis would write or contribute to anti-sellout brochures simply using the words of Archbishop Lefebvre may have been one reason he was expelled by Fr. Rostand.

As someone else said, the timing is not right. And his departure from the SSPX may or may not have had anything to do with "the sellout." Personally, I don't think the Rome business had anything to do with it. Anything else is just speculation on my part.

Jake

Pablo · « **Reply #9 on:** September 10, 2012, 02:01:21 PM »

The need to know the most minute details of everything is a Trad thing.

They demand every ounce of details, yet contribute nothing, absolutely nothing to resolution of any problem.

Why is that?

Does it change facts contained in the pamphlets?

Does it expose a Padre to more harm from Satan and his SSPX Brown Shirts and Whited Sepulcher Pharisees?

Fr. Libietis was given the boot.

Plain and simple.

The last time I saw the good Padre, he witnessed a disagreement between me and a Menzingen Padre that had just called one of my Priests and Confessors a liar.

Poor Padre Liebietis.

I am sorry he had to see that.

But maybe it opened his eyes to the Masonic infiltration of the SSPX.

*

VinnyF · « **Reply #10 on:** September 10, 2012, 02:27:31 PM »

Quote from: PaxAeternum

Quote from: NeelyAnn

Let's not be so quick to jump to conclusions. The next thing you know, your conclusion will become the next rumor. Re-read the message above. The date that the info was received was May 2011 - not May 2012. With that, we know he was gone at least in May 2011, and most likely some time prior. That does not correspond with anything having to do with recent 'anti-sellout' brochures.

This is not a rumor because I was told that Fr. Pfeiffer himself said that Fr. Libietis worked on those brochures about Archbishop Lefebvre quotes. Remember that there were Priests being expelled since 2009 (like Father Méramo) and there have been many other SSPX Priests that have just left on their own as part of the 'anti-sellout' since 2009.

And yes Fr. Rostand was obviously told to expell Fr. Libietis.

From the faithful's perspective, Fr. Libietis is a fine priest. I served as his MC at several Masses. His departure from the SSPX predates the doctrinal discussions and is a very personal matter between him and his superiors that could not be reconciled. It is his and no one else's business until Fr. L chooses to make it so.

I would have no reason to doubt his involvement in brochures quoting +ABL.

He is neither villain nor martyr - he would most assuredly tell you that.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #11 on:** September 10, 2012, 02:46:52 PM »

The truth is that the SSPX has a problem with faithful priests because the leadership is not faithful.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #12 on:** September 10, 2012, 02:47:40 PM »

Quote from: VinnyF

Quote from: PaxAeternum
Quote from: NeelyAnn

Let's not be so quick to jump to conclusions. The next thing you know, your conclusion will become the next rumor. Re-read the message above. The date that the info was received was May 2011 - not May 2012. With that, we know he was gone at least in May 2011, and most likely some time prior. That does not correspond with anything having to do with recent 'anti-sellout' brochures.

This is not a rumor because I was told that Fr. Pfeiffer himself said that Fr. Libietis worked on those brochures about Archbishop Lefebvre quotes. Remember that there were Priests being expelled since 2009 (like Father Méramo) and there have been many other SSPX Priests that have just left on their own as part of the 'anti-sellout' since 2009.

And yes Fr. Rostand was obviously told to expell Fr. Libietis.

From the faithful's perspective, Fr. Libietis is a fine priest. I served as his MC at several Masses. His departure from the SSPX predates the doctrinal discussions and is a very personal matter between him and his superiors that could not be reconciled. It is his and no one else's business until Fr. L chooses to make it so.

I would have no reason to doubt his involvement in brochures quoting +ABL.

He is neither villain nor martyr - he would most assuredly tell you that.

The doctrinal discussions had been ongoing from 2009 to fall of 2011. For you to
say that "his departure predates the doctrinal discussions" is not true, because
his departure occurred two years after the discussions had started and several
months before they had ended.

NeelyAnn · « **Reply #13 on:** September 10, 2012, 02:52:53 PM »

Quote from: PaxAeternum

Quote from: NeelyAnn

Let's not be so quick to jump to conclusions. The next thing you know, your conclusion will become the next rumor. Re-read the message above. The date that the info was received was May 2011 - not May 2012. With that, we know he was gone at least in May 2011, and most likely some time prior. That does not correspond with anything having to do with recent 'anti-sellout' brochures.

This is not a rumor because I was told that Fr. Pfeiffer himself said that Fr. Libietis worked on those brochures about Archbishop Lefebvre quotes. Remember that there were Priests being expelled since 2009 (like Father Méramo) and there have been many other SSPX Priests that have just left on their own as part of the 'anti-sellout' since 2009.

And yes Fr. Rostand was obviously told to expell Fr. Libietis.

Actually, to say, "I was told that Fr. Pfeiffer himself said that Fr. Libietis ...", would most certainly be a rumor since it is hearsay that was passed on to you. However, a little reading comprehension 101 and you would see that that was NOT the rumor to which I was speaking. I really could careless about this particular item - it makes no difference to me.

The rumor to which I WAS speaking was the suggestion that Fr. Libietus was expelled for helping Fr. Pfeiffer with the brochures. Since he was expelled long before Fr. Pfeiffer even made a squeak about the 'agreement', this obviously cannot be true. So, whatever the reason for him leaving the SSPX, it is absolutely NOT because he helped Fr. Pfeiffer make a brochure.

As the initial person who provided this info suggested, and as a second person who knows Fr. L said, Fr. L's leaving had nothing to do with the current events. Fr. L certainly has never come out and given a sermon or statement on what occurred, and it seems that many did not even know he had left or when. So, the most we can gather from this is that if Fr. L wanted us to know what happened he would tell us. Until then, reasons we can give would be speculation / rumor.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #14 on:** September 10, 2012, 02:55:32 PM »

Quote from: PaxAeternum

In his Sept 2, 2012 sermon Fr. Pfeiffer read from a brochures (link below) quotes from Archbishop Lefebvre and someone told me that it was Fr. Libietis who helped make those two brochures. Also someone told me that Fr. Pfeiffer said that Fr. Libietis had been expelled from the SSPX. I checked with the SSPX and they said that Fr. Libietis had left. So does anyone know what happened to Fr. Libietis?

The brochures are posted at:
archbishop lefebvre 1987 - 1990

Archbishop Lefebvre 1974 - 1986

These same two brochures are here on CathInfo in the Library for anyone to

download and print. I made the first post in that thread on August 25th, 2012.

I'm mentioning this fact in case anyone has trouble printing from one site or
the other for whatever reason. It's better to have two sources. In fact, we
should all DOWNLOAD these two excellent brochures and keep the files on our
computers and flash drives. We can take such a flash drive to any printer and
order hundreds of color, two sided copies made so that we can then take the
copies to our chapels and hand them out. If enough of us do this, the crew
at Menzingen would be POWERLESS to stop the opposition to their lies. For
anyone who has eyes to see and ears to hear, would recognize the voice of
ABL coming through these two excellent brochures.

It comes as absolutely no surprise to me that Menzingen would try to put a
stop to the distribution of these brochures. Every act connected or associated
with that is explained by the fact that the brochures lay wide open the lies
that Menzingen is attempting to perpetrate. This is not difficult or abstract
reasoning. It is just the simple faith of a child, without which there is no salvation.