Author Topic: Fr Kramer (Read 1321 times)

Peccator Marison · « **on:** June 02, 2016, 12:48:20 PM »

I have not followed the controversy between Rev Kramer and a CathInfo member but it brought this question to my attention. According to the Internet he was 'ordained' in the doubtful new rite. Has he been ordained or ordained sub conditione since?

ihsv · « **Reply #1 on:** June 02, 2016, 01:04:39 PM »

No, he has not. At least, not to my knowledge.

Peccator Marison · « **Reply #2 on:** June 02, 2016, 02:07:44 PM »

Thank you. I dislike tipping over what I fear is a whole bee-skep of bitter controversy but the truth is better known than scandals concealed. He then was 'ordained' in the new rite, which e.g. Archbishop Lefebvre insisted on sub conditione ordination, thus it seems to be inaccurate to term him a Resistance priest given that they aren't certainly valid ,-- his Masses may thus be invalid.

http://www.calefactory.org/misc-v2-v2ritesaretheyvalid.htm

I am not a sedevacantist (privately I think that as I haven't the theological education to distinguish material from formal heresy I consider it as unsolved?) but this is well argued.

Incredulous · « **Reply #3 on:** June 02, 2016, 03:39:17 PM »

Quote from: Peccator Marison

"... thus it seems to be inaccurate to term him a Resistance priest given that they aren't certainly valid ,-- his Masses may thus be invalid.

Yes, he morphed into a Resistance leader didn't he?

We always have to watch-out for the dialectic mechanism of another "controlled opposition" agenda.

Raphael · « **Reply #4 on:** June 02, 2016, 10:41:06 PM »

Good one, Incredulous. So true.

Peccator Marison · « **Reply #5 on:** June 03, 2016, 04:13:30 PM »

A second perusal of the Calefactory article, unless refuted, is quite sufficient to state that the New Rites of Ordination and Consecration are downright invalid and thus Rev. Kramer (intended no more than a courtesy, Mr Kramer) is no priest.