Author Topic: Fr. Kramer and Fr. Gruner (Read 6258 times)

Christopher67 · « **Reply #30 on:** July 07, 2017, 10:01:33 PM »

Father Gruner would promote the Fatima message to a fire hydrant. So if you're asking about Bayside, no clue. Because it was about Fatima

klasG4e · « **Reply #31 on:** August 09, 2017, 07:00:08 PM »

Quote from: Christopher67 on July 07, 2017, 10:01:33 PM

Father Gruner would promote the Fatima message to a fire hydrant. So if you're asking about Bayside, no clue. Because it was about Fatima

http://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2017/08/fr-gruner-goes-to-bayside-new-york.html

klasG4e · « **Reply #32 on:** August 09, 2017, 07:01:23 PM »

The plot thickens?
http://radtradthomist.chojnowski.me/2017/08/what-fr-gruner-actually-thought-and.html

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #33 on:** August 11, 2017, 12:56:22 PM »

There is a Vimeo video partway down this page (date, Aug. 8th, 2017) where Fr. Gruner talks about the prayer for the Pope by name in the Canon of Mass, that it is one name, and not two names that is used by the priest in that place. He goes on to say that when he resigned in 2013 (Fr. mistakenly says "2012") Benedict XVI said he is not resigning the munis. "If you are resigning the papacy you have to resign the munis but he said, 'I am not resigning the munis'. So whatever he was doing, he was not resigning the Papacy." He proposes that the text of Our Lady's words in the Third Secret would explain this discrepancy, and since by our Baptism we have a right to request a ruling in matters of ecclesiastical jurisdiction, we have a right to ask for this text of Our Lady to the Fatima children, the rest of the story, so to speak.

https://akacatholic.com/did-fr-gruner-consider-francis-an-anti-pope/

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #34 on:** August 11, 2017, 01:33:17 PM »

It would appear that at least in his latter days, Fr. Gruner came to the realization that he had to insert the name of Benedict XVI in the beginning of the Canon (perhaps a year after his 2013 abdication) because he could not pray for Francis if B XVI had not resigned the munis. The Fatima Center (according to Louie Verrecchio) had removed the video containing this from public access, but Verrecchio was able to obtain a copy elsewhere. That is what is linked in the post above.

chaz89 · « **Reply #35 on:** August 13, 2017, 04:43:59 PM »

Quote from: Neil Obstat on August 11, 2017, 12:56:22 PM

There is a Vimeo video partway down this page (date, Aug. 8th, 2017) where Fr. Gruner talks about the prayer for the Pope by name in the Canon of Mass, that it is one name, and not two names that is used by the priest in that place. He goes on to say that when he resigned in 2013 (Fr. mistakenly says "2012") Benedict XVI said he is not resigning the munis. "If you are resigning the papacy you have to resign the munis but he said, 'I am not resigning the munis'. So whatever he was doing, he was not resigning the Papacy." He proposes that the text of Our Lady's words in the Third Secret would explain this discrepancy, and since by our Baptism we have a right to request a ruling in matters of ecclesiastical jurisdiction, we have a right to ask for this text of Our Lady to the Fatima children, the rest of the story, so to speak.

https://akacatholic.com/did-fr-gruner-consider-francis-an-anti-pope/

I remember not long ago Frs. Gruner and Kramer along with Robert Sungenis spoke at one of the Fatima meeting Gruner was famous for and all declared it would take a future Pope and/or council to make that determination of whether some pope is considered an anti pope. I find it difficult that Gruner would've changed his mind.

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