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Offline Stubborn

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Re: Fr. Kevin Robinson (SSPX) sues New Jersey governor
« Reply #80 on: May 04, 2020, 01:57:28 PM »
I mentioned the excommunication of Msgr. Lefebvre because you mentioned him in your last post about his disobedience to the Church regarding the Latin Mass and the analogy to today's halting of the Mass. Obviously he was not excommunicated for his disobedience about the Mass, but for his consescrations, but that is besides the point. I just meant to elaborate that your analogy is faulty for Msgr. Lefebvre's situation with the Latin Mass is not the same as the halting of today's Masses for fear of disease spreading.


As to the first part of your post, where is "The Church" then?
The point is that (your definition of) "The Church" banning the True Mass did not stop faithful Catholics, which faithful Catholics, btw, prompted +ABL to come out of retirement to defend, celebrate and promote the True Mass exclusively, - that was the point in me mentioning the good archbishop. IOW, if your reasoning were true, then +ABL (and all faithful Catholics) disobeyed the Church by insisting on condemning the new "mass" while continuing to go to the True Mass.

Is not asking the question "where is the Church?" at best a rhetorical question if you have the faith, true Mass and  sacraments?      


 

Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Fr. Kevin Robinson (SSPX) sues New Jersey governor
« Reply #81 on: May 04, 2020, 02:40:09 PM »
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Your repeated misunderstanding of a few simple sentences in English speaks volumes.
I'm not misunderstanding anything.  First you said the pope ordered all masses shut down.  Then you admitted this was wrong (partially) by saying that the pope only offered "guidance" to the bishops, which has yet to be proven.
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So you've gone from claiming that mass shutdowns are a "directive" (i.e. command from Rome) to simply claiming the pope offered "guidance" to the Bishops (i.e. suggestion from Rome).  You've gone from proclaiming the situation as true, to now saying it's probable.  You've gone from fact to speculation.   


Re: Fr. Kevin Robinson (SSPX) sues New Jersey governor
« Reply #82 on: May 04, 2020, 03:10:06 PM »
I'm not misunderstanding anything.  First you said the pope ordered all masses shut down.  Then you admitted this was wrong (partially) by saying that the pope only offered "guidance" to the bishops, which has yet to be proven.
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So you've gone from claiming that mass shutdowns are a "directive" (i.e. command from Rome) to simply claiming the pope offered "guidance" to the Bishops (i.e. suggestion from Rome).  You've gone from proclaiming the situation as true, to now saying it's probable.  You've gone from fact to speculation.  
Like I said, my initial post from yesterday is still here. You're more than welcome to stare at it until the wheels start turning.

Re: Fr. Kevin Robinson (SSPX) sues New Jersey governor
« Reply #83 on: May 04, 2020, 03:13:45 PM »
The point is that (your definition of) "The Church" banning the True Mass did not stop faithful Catholics, which faithful Catholics, btw, prompted +ABL to come out of retirement to defend, celebrate and promote the True Mass exclusively, - that was the point in me mentioning the good archbishop. IOW, if your reasoning were true, then +ABL (and all faithful Catholics) disobeyed the Church by insisting on condemning the new "mass" while continuing to go to the True Mass.

Is not asking the question "where is the Church?" at best a rhetorical question if you have the faith, true Mass and  sacraments?      


 
His Excellency Archbishop Lefebvre was undoubtedly in disobedience. The question was: is the disobedience justified?


Anyway, what is the "faith, true Mass, and sacraments" without the head of the Church?! Might as well become Orthodox, no?

Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Fr. Kevin Robinson (SSPX) sues New Jersey governor
« Reply #84 on: May 04, 2020, 03:36:37 PM »
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Like I said, my initial post from yesterday is still here.
Your post from yesterday is irrelevant.  We're debating this post  =>  Reply #56 on: Today at 10:05:42 AM ยป