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Re: Fr. Kevin Robinson (SSPX) sues New Jersey governor
« Reply #70 on: May 04, 2020, 10:50:36 AM »
The Pope and all of the Bishops in full communion with the Pope and by extension all of the Priests under the authority of said Bishops told us to stop attending Mass for the time being. If the aforementioned entities do not constitute the authority of "The Church" then I don't know what does.

As for Msgr. Lefebvre and the issues relating to his excommunication then please be aware that this is a different issue altogether which I do not wish to delve into as it is unrelated to the above consideration.
Yes, they have the authority, that is not in dispute, it is because they have corrupted themselves and abused and misused this authority for 60 years that we do not blindly adhere to their authority, just as if we Catholics were not given any use of reason. So do not confuse their corrupt authority as being "The Church". I remind you that today, you are speaking about the same authority that perpetrated the new mass and all the liberal doctrines for the last 60 years - they are most assuredly not "The Church".

The excommunication of the good archbishop Lefebrve has nothing whatsoever to do with what I said - he was excommunicated for consecrating bishops. Back then, the crooks in the Vatican, including popes PVI and JP2, made him the dirty step child and repeatedly reprimanded him for his refusal to accept the new sacrilegious service and stop celebrating the True Mass.    

Re: Fr. Kevin Robinson (SSPX) sues New Jersey governor
« Reply #71 on: May 04, 2020, 11:06:08 AM »
The diocese decisions in the US were made by EACH bishop in EACH diocese.  The pope did NOT close diocesan masses in the US. 
The federally-funded USCCB basically did.


Re: Fr. Kevin Robinson (SSPX) sues New Jersey governor
« Reply #72 on: May 04, 2020, 11:11:36 AM »
The diocese decisions in the US were made by EACH bishop in EACH diocese.  The pope did NOT close diocesan masses in the US.  
Where does the authority of a Bishop come from? Is the Bishop of each diocese independent from the Head of the Church? Is it to be imagined that no guidance is given to the Bishops in a time of crisis that requires Masses to be temporarily halted?

Re: Fr. Kevin Robinson (SSPX) sues New Jersey governor
« Reply #73 on: May 04, 2020, 11:16:11 AM »
Firstly, a directive is not a guidance.  2 completely different things; opposites really.  The point is, you said the pope "in communion with" the bishops, stopped worldwide masses.  You are dead wrong.
A directive is an instruction for the management of operations; an official or authoritative instruction.

A guidance advice or information aimed at resolving a problem or difficulty, especially as given by someone in authority.
Via Oxford Dictionary.

You do see the overlap, no?

As to your point, that is not what I said. I said it was a directive from the Church. The beginning of my post was meant to illustrate what the authority of "The Church" consists of.

Re: Fr. Kevin Robinson (SSPX) sues New Jersey governor
« Reply #74 on: May 04, 2020, 11:17:10 AM »
Just admit this is 100% wrong and we'll move on.  Do you have the humility to do so?
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