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Re: Fr. Kevin Robinson (SSPX) sues New Jersey governor
« Reply #100 on: May 05, 2020, 10:56:48 AM »
What is needed for our salvation is clear. Heresies are always, for the most part, cropping up, and we have Councils to deal with that, and good Popes like St. Pius X who strive to deal with heresies such as Modernism. We do need the authority of the Popes and Councils, but the Popes are not needed to continually re-interpret Scripture and Tradition. Every time a new Pope is elected, he is not supposed to re-interpret Church teaching according to his own inclinations. That's not how the papacy works.

The Popes are to pass on the Deposit of Faith in a faithful manner. I'm pretty sure that you don't understand this, or you just don't agree with it, since you seem to be an advocate for "development of doctrine." That's a phrase that the Modernists like to use, too.
No one said anything about reinterpretation. I am talking about the initial meaning, understanding, and interpretation given to the councils and dogmas in general. Even while reading these docuмents using the clear, exterior language present in their respective language, this yields different results to different people. Baptism of Desire and Baptism of Blood being a famous example that I have already mentioned. Both sides can claim that a Pope or Council has infallibly declared their position and both parties have evidences to make their case!
There is no such thing as a deposit of faith without a living authority to interpret it. What you are referring to is Protestantism, not Catholicism. The Catholic system is not democratic or individualistic. It is a living, breathing, absolute monarchy.

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Re: Fr. Kevin Robinson (SSPX) sues New Jersey governor
« Reply #101 on: May 05, 2020, 11:00:05 AM »
No one said anything about reinterpretation. I am talking about the initial meaning, understanding, and interpretation given to the councils and dogmas in general. Even while reading these docuмents using the clear, exterior language present in their respective language, this yields different results to different people. Baptism of Desire and Baptism of Blood being a famous example that I have already mentioned. Both sides can claim that a Pope or Council has infallibly declared their position and both parties have evidences to make their case!
There is no such thing as a deposit of faith without a living authority to interpret it. What you are referring to is Protestantism, not Catholicism. The Catholic system is not democratic or individualistic. It is a living, breathing, absolute monarchy.

Nonsense, as usual with your posts.

You are an advocate of the "development of doctrine." The cat is out of the bag. You are a Modernist who is trying to bring in the SSPX and the Resistance (and sedes) into the conciliar church. It's not going to work. But do please on keep trying. You'll only be wasting your time.


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Re: Fr. Kevin Robinson (SSPX) sues New Jersey governor
« Reply #102 on: May 05, 2020, 11:05:11 AM »
1. Who determines what is sinful in obedience? Do I open up my Denzinger and determine it myself? Just look at the Dimond Bros. This is exactly what they do. Look at everyone who purports to be Catholic and is actually interested in their faith. This is what they all do and everyonr arrives at opposing and different conclusions!
2. The authority of the Church, while not being the entirety of the Church, is still the center of and the majority of the totality of its being for without its head, there is no Church.
3. I do not wish to discuss Msgr. Lefebvre's case. Like I said. I don't have the authority.
4. The Orthodox, like yourself, have rejected the authority of the Church albeit in different ways. While they reject the dogma, you reject the practice of the dogma in reality. The faith without the head of the Church is a dead one. It is an ancient tome that is interpreted by each person to his or her own liking and pre-existing dispositions.
Do not over complicate the matter, it is really not at all complicated.

1) See my sig.
2) This is confused thinking, or at least confused communicating.
3) We do not need authority to know right from wrong. What the Church's authorities did (and still do) was and still is wrong, what +ABL did was right. Taken to the extremes, two prime examples of that situation you can use are St. Athanasus and St. Joan of Ark.
4) The Orthodox reject the pope as pope, those of us who are not sede do not. We do deny granting or accepting the conciliar popes' wishes and/or directives that are sinful, we can do that, we must always do that. The people lacking in or without the faith, they say because we deny granting his sinful wishes that we reject him as pope and/or reject his authority. It's been that way since the days after V2 and will remain so long as there is a lack of faith among the accusers.
 

Re: Fr. Kevin Robinson (SSPX) sues New Jersey governor
« Reply #103 on: May 05, 2020, 11:07:28 AM »
Nonsense, as usual with your posts.

You are an advocate of the "development of doctrine." The cat is out of the bag. You are a Modernist who is trying to bring in the SSPX and the Resistance (and sedes) into the conciliar church. It's not going to work. But do please keep trying. You'll only be wasting your time.
You all crack me up. "Cat out of the bag," "troll!," "You've shown your true colors."
Stupid claims that even children can make. Intellectually bankrupt idiots like you are quick to cry like a child when things don't go their way.
Anyway God will show to both of us which of us was right on Judgement Day. Until then, to hell with your Protestant mindset!

Re: Fr. Kevin Robinson (SSPX) sues New Jersey governor
« Reply #104 on: May 05, 2020, 11:14:15 AM »
Do not over complicate the matter, it is really not at all complicated.

1) See my sig.
2) This is confused thinking, or at least confused communicating.
3) We do not need authority to know right from wrong. What the Church's authorities did (and still do) was and still is wrong, what +ABL did was right. Taken to the extremes, two prime examples of that situation you can use are St. Athanasus and St. Joan of Ark.
4) The Orthodox reject the pope as pope, those of us who are not sede do not. We do deny granting or accepting the conciliar popes' wishes and/or directives that are sinful, we can do that, we must always do that. The people lacking in or without the faith, they say because we deny granting his sinful wishes that we reject him as pope and/or reject his authority. It's been that way since the days after V2 and will remain so long as there is a lack of faith among the accusers.
 
Once again thank you for being civil.
1. I disagree.
2. Indeed.
3. I disagree again. We are not Saints and 99.9% of people are not either.
4. Once again, that brings us back to who determines what. I won't continue because we simply disagree in principle.