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Re: Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer has lost his mind?
« Reply #45 on: February 05, 2020, 08:03:00 PM »
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  • Well, bishop Williamson told Fr. Pfeiffer that if the bishop were to help Fr. Pfeiffer then pablo (Mr. Hernandez the "lay exorcist") had go.  The other condition was that Fr. Pfeiffer had to stay put and tend the seminary (no more travelling the world).  Seems to me like a reasonable trade.  

    The problem is two-fold:
    1. Fr. Pfeiffer won't accept anyone telling him what to do, not even a bishop Fr. Pfeiffer seeks to place himself under.  This has been a problem since his SSPX days.  It is why fr. Pfeiffer got "rid" of Moran the first time.  Moran declared, from the pulpit, he had jurisdiction over OLMC.  
    2. Fr. Pfeiffer has become ensnared by the warlock Pablo.

    It is against canon law for a priest to go a long time without a superior.  "Long time" is not defined, but certainly eight years would count as a long time.  

    Is this from the 1917 canon law? Can you share which one it is?

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    Re: Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer has lost his mind?
    « Reply #46 on: February 05, 2020, 08:09:20 PM »
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  • :incense:+Bp. W. should keep all the items needed for an exorcism in his "Broadstairs Palace."  Should Fr. Pf. make another surprise appearance, he should be forcibly confined to the dungeon---surely every palace comes equipped with one---and there exorcized by His Lordship.

    I'm no expert on Canon Law, but isn't sanity a requirement of being made a bishop?  
    Can you share which Canon law this is or cut and paste it? Thanks.


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    Re: Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer has lost his mind?
    « Reply #47 on: February 05, 2020, 08:10:58 PM »
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  • Well, no Traditional Catholic priest or even bishop has any CANONICAL superior anyway, which is what is meant by Canon Law.  You can't normally just shop around for a superior.
    Is this also from the 1917 Canon law? Can you cut and paste it or tell me which one it is? Thanks.

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    Re: Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer has lost his mind?
    « Reply #48 on: February 05, 2020, 08:17:00 PM »
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  • Is this also from the 1917 Canon law? Can you cut and paste it or tell me which one it is? Thanks.

    No specific Canon.  All jurisdiction in the Church must derive ultimately from the Pope.  One cannot be the superior of another Catholic without deriving said superiority from the Pope.

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    Re: Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer has lost his mind?
    « Reply #49 on: February 05, 2020, 08:35:03 PM »
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  • Sure enough -- Fr. Chazal was completely innocent. Canon Law requires that the Blessed Sacrament be under several keys: the tabernacle, the building itself, etc. If the tabernacle doesn't lock for whatever reason, the Blessed Sacrament must be removed. Fr. Chazal did exactly what he should have done in those circuмstances.

    Why am I not surprised that the Pfeifferites were playing games, changing locks, messing with the tabernacle, etc. How do they look at themselves in the mirror or sleep at night? They're clearly of bad will. They need to meditate on the shortness of life, and the great length of Eternity.
    Can you share which Canon law you are referring to? Thanks.


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    Re: Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer has lost his mind?
    « Reply #50 on: February 06, 2020, 08:52:46 AM »
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  • Quote
    Can you share which Canon law you are referring to? Thanks.
    Quit being a gamma and Google it.
    I am He who is- you are she who is not.

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    Re: Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer has lost his mind?
    « Reply #51 on: February 06, 2020, 06:09:23 PM »
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  • Can you share which Canon law this is or cut and paste it? Thanks.
    As noted, I am NOT well versed in Canon Law, however, I possess common sense and a sense of humor.  Since I don't pretend to know Canon Law, my statement about sanity being prerequisite for a priest to be consecrated a bishop demonstrates the aforementioned attributes.  
    I will gladly do research for you---for a fee.  If your need to know is urgent, please look into another person or do it for yourself.  I am presently booked through June 30 with other responsibilities.

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    Re: Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer has lost his mind?
    « Reply #52 on: February 06, 2020, 07:20:33 PM »
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  • Getting back on topic, from Fr. Pfeiffer’s track record, it is clear that he is psychologically handicapped.  

    His intellect is subservient to another personality, which is the warlock.

    How did this happen?

    An Aussie trad who knew Fr. Pfeiffer speculated he had been exposed to satanic ritual as a boy.  Father had related an incident where he had witnessed a murder in an abandoned house.

    It might take another Father Amorth to explain how satanic ritual abuse impacts a child, but know for certain, satanist go out of their way to do it. 

    Do your own research and beware of it.

    Now, it was known at the seminary that Father carried this mental trauma (PTSD) and spiritual wound, he likely would have not qualified for the priesthood?

    Because... of all the “downstream” problems he would encounter, such as befriending warlocks and other unsavory characters that would compromise his priesthood.

    In conclusion, open letters to the handicapped won’t work, but prayers of exorcism to drive-off the warlock will be efficacious. 

    :incense:
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    Re: Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer has lost his mind?
    « Reply #53 on: February 07, 2020, 07:48:37 PM »
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  • No specific Canon.  All jurisdiction in the Church must derive ultimately from the Pope.  One cannot be the superior of another Catholic without deriving said superiority from the Pope.

    St. Peter says:
    Quote from: St Peter on February 03, 2020, 09:48:37 AM
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    It is against canon law for a priest to go a long time without a superior.  "Long time" is not defined, but certainly eight years would count as a long time.  

    Your comment to St. Peter:

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    Well, no Traditional Catholic priest or even bishop has any CANONICAL superior anyway, which is what is meant by Canon Law.  You can't normally just shop around for a superior.

    Is St. Peter wrong? Can Canon laws be abandoned?

    In your comment to me, you say "All jurisdiction in the Church must derive ultimately from the Pope."
    But SSPX appeals to supplied jurisdiction, which means the Church supplies it (during crisis/emergency). Is that the reason why SSPX Priests have no Canonical Superior?

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    Re: Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer has lost his mind?
    « Reply #54 on: February 08, 2020, 06:56:17 AM »
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  • Is this from the 1917 canon law? Can you share which one it is?

    Can. 265 Every cleric must be incardinated either in a particular church or personal prelature, or in an institute of consecrated life or society endowed with this faculty, in such a way that unattached or transient clerics are not allowed at all.


    Can. 283 §1. Even if clerics do not have a residential office, they nevertheless are not
    to be absent from their diocese for a notable period of time, to be determined by
    particular law, without at least the presumed permission of their proper ordinary.


    Interestingly:
    Can. 561 No one is permitted to celebrate the Eucharist, administer the sacraments, or
    perform other sacred functions in the church without the permission of the rector or
    another legitimate superior; this permission must be granted or denied according to the
    norm of law.

    (Fr. Pfeiffer's "term" as rector was for six months, if I recall correctly.  His term expired.  He is no longer a rector.)

    And:
    Can. 608 A religious community must live in a legitimately established house under
    the authority of a superior designated according to the norm of law. 

    (Where is the legitimate superior of OLMC?  Fr. Pfeiffer and his entourage can claim all they want that b. Fellay is their superior, but it just ain't so.)

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    Re: Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer has lost his mind?
    « Reply #55 on: February 08, 2020, 01:16:24 PM »
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  • Can. 265 Every cleric must be incardinated either in a particular church or personal prelature, or in an institute of consecrated life or society endowed with this faculty, in such a way that unattached or transient clerics are not allowed at all.


    Can. 283 §1. Even if clerics do not have a residential office, they nevertheless are not
    to be absent from their diocese for a notable period of time, to be determined by
    particular law, without at least the presumed permission of their proper ordinary.


    Interestingly:
    Can. 561 No one is permitted to celebrate the Eucharist, administer the sacraments, or
    perform other sacred functions in the church without the permission of the rector or
    another legitimate superior; this permission must be granted or denied according to the
    norm of law.

    (Fr. Pfeiffer's "term" as rector was for six months, if I recall correctly.  His term expired.  He is no longer a rector.)

    And:
    Can. 608 A religious community must live in a legitimately established house under
    the authority of a superior designated according to the norm of law.

    (Where is the legitimate superior of OLMC?  Fr. Pfeiffer and his entourage can claim all they want that b. Fellay is their superior, but it just ain't so.)
    Thank you posting these canons, but I think these are from the 1983 code of canon law.

    Do you know if the SSPX and other traditional groups acknowledge the 1983 code of canon law?


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    Re: Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer has lost his mind?
    « Reply #56 on: February 09, 2020, 08:44:34 PM »
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  • Leonn, Traditional priests are in a situation (necessity/emergency) brought about by the crisis in the Church, where it is, generally speaking, morally impossible for them to be under the direct authority of their legitimate superiors, because those in authority are using that authority, not at the service of the Faith, but to destroy faith and morals. Bishop Williamson talks about this split between truth and authority again in his recent Eleison Comments.

    This is the concern that the Resistance has with the SSPX, that it is now willing to place itself under this corrupt authority which is destroying the Church, and accept jurisdiction from them. This will place them in a position which they themselves had always taught will lead them to slowly but surely lose the faith, "it would mean our death" they repeatedly said.

    Obedience is at the service of the Faith, and the Laws of the Church are for the salvation of souls: suprema lex, salus animarum, the supreme law of the Church is the salvation of souls.

    "Canon Law likewise is directed to the salvation of souls; and the purpose of all its regulations and laws is that men may live and die in the holiness given them by the grace of God" - Pope Pius XII, Address to the clerical students of Rome, June 24, 1939


    You may find the following explanation useful. It is from the study by Fr Francois Pivert "Schism or Not" which was published after the 1988 Consecrations:

    Canonical considerations excerpted by Fr Patrice Laroche SSPX from a study by Dr Georg May, President of the Seminary of Canon Law at the University of Mainz, entitled 'Legitimate Defence, Resistance, Necessity', drawn up in 1984:
    "The 1917 Code of Canon Law spoke of necessity in Canon 2205.2 and 3; the 1983 Code of Canon Law deals with it in Canon 1324.4 and 1324.1 and 5... it is clear from the context that necessity is a state where goods necessary for life are put in danger in such a way that to come out of this state the violation of certain laws is inevitable. The Code recognises necessity as a circuмstance which exempts from all penalties in case of violation of the law (1324.4)... no latae sententiae penalty can be incurred by anyone who has acted in this circuмstance (1324.3)... In the Church, as in civil society, it is conceivable that there arrive a state of necessity or emergency which cannot be surmounted by the observance of positive law. Such a situation exists in the Church when the endurance, order or activity of the Church are threatened or harmed in a considerable manner. This threat can bear principally on ecclesiastical teaching, the liturgy and discipline. A state of necessity justifies the law of necessity. The law of necessity in the Church is the sum total of juridical rules which apply in case of a menace to the perpetuity or activity of the Church... The law of necessity also includes the positive authorisation to take measures, launch initiatives, create organisms which are necessary so that the Church can continue its mission of preaching the divine truth and dispensing the grace of God. The law of necessity uniquely justifies the measures which are necessary for a restoration of functions in the Church... In a situation of necessity the pastors of the Church can take extraordinary measures to protect or reestablish the activity of the Church. If an organ does not carry out its necessary or indispensable functions, the other organs have the duty and the right to use the power they have in the Church, so that the life of the Church is guaranteed and its end attained. If the authorities of the Church refuse this, the responsibility of other members of the Church increases, but also their juridical competence."



     





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    Re: Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer has lost his mind?
    « Reply #57 on: February 10, 2020, 07:52:48 AM »
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  • Thank you posting these canons, but I think these are from the 1983 code of canon law.

    Do you know if the SSPX and other traditional groups acknowledge the 1983 code of canon law?
    Some do, actually.
    To help you:
    1983 #265 is 1917 #111
    1983 #283 is 1917 #143
    1983 #561 is 1917 #484
    1983 #608 is 1917 #597

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    Re: Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer has lost his mind?
    « Reply #58 on: February 10, 2020, 07:38:51 PM »
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  • Leonn, Traditional priests are in a situation (necessity/emergency) brought about by the crisis in the Church, where it is, generally speaking, morally impossible for them to be under the direct authority of their legitimate superiors, because those in authority are using that authority, not at the service of the Faith, but to destroy faith and morals. Bishop Williamson talks about this split between truth and authority again in his recent Eleison Comments.

    This is the concern that the Resistance has with the SSPX, that it is now willing to place itself under this corrupt authority which is destroying the Church, and accept jurisdiction from them. This will place them in a position which they themselves had always taught will lead them to slowly but surely lose the faith, "it would mean our death" they repeatedly said.

    Obedience is at the service of the Faith, and the Laws of the Church are for the salvation of souls: suprema lex, salus animarum, the supreme law of the Church is the salvation of souls.

    "Canon Law likewise is directed to the salvation of souls; and the purpose of all its regulations and laws is that men may live and die in the holiness given them by the grace of God" - Pope Pius XII, Address to the clerical students of Rome, June 24, 1939


    You may find the following explanation useful. It is from the study by Fr Francois Pivert "Schism or Not" which was published after the 1988 Consecrations:

    Canonical considerations excerpted by Fr Patrice Laroche SSPX from a study by Dr Georg May, President of the Seminary of Canon Law at the University of Mainz, entitled 'Legitimate Defence, Resistance, Necessity', drawn up in 1984:
    "The 1917 Code of Canon Law spoke of necessity in Canon 2205.2 and 3; the 1983 Code of Canon Law deals with it in Canon 1324.4 and 1324.1 and 5... it is clear from the context that necessity is a state where goods necessary for life are put in danger in such a way that to come out of this state the violation of certain laws is inevitable. The Code recognises necessity as a circuмstance which exempts from all penalties in case of violation of the law (1324.4)... no latae sententiae penalty can be incurred by anyone who has acted in this circuмstance (1324.3)... In the Church, as in civil society, it is conceivable that there arrive a state of necessity or emergency which cannot be surmounted by the observance of positive law. Such a situation exists in the Church when the endurance, order or activity of the Church are threatened or harmed in a considerable manner. This threat can bear principally on ecclesiastical teaching, the liturgy and discipline. A state of necessity justifies the law of necessity. The law of necessity in the Church is the sum total of juridical rules which apply in case of a menace to the perpetuity or activity of the Church... The law of necessity also includes the positive authorisation to take measures, launch initiatives, create organisms which are necessary so that the Church can continue its mission of preaching the divine truth and dispensing the grace of God. The law of necessity uniquely justifies the measures which are necessary for a restoration of functions in the Church... In a situation of necessity the pastors of the Church can take extraordinary measures to protect or reestablish the activity of the Church. If an organ does not carry out its necessary or indispensable functions, the other organs have the duty and the right to use the power they have in the Church, so that the life of the Church is guaranteed and its end attained. If the authorities of the Church refuse this, the responsibility of other members of the Church increases, but also their juridical competence."



     

    Thank you Plenis Ventur.

    Your comment poses a situation. The Resistance priests say that they must keep a distance from SSPX because it is now placing itself under Rome, who is misusing its authority to destroy faith and morals. What is to prevent a portion of the Resistance priests to keep a distance from other Resistance priests for a variety of reasons (e.g. not upholding the teachings of ABL as they interpret, and disagreements on discipline); for example, the situation that arose in the 1980s leading to the split between one portion of the Resistance clergy (now called Sedevacantists) and with another portion of the Resistance clergy (i.e. SSPX)


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    Re: Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer has lost his mind?
    « Reply #59 on: February 10, 2020, 07:39:44 PM »
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  • Some do, actually.
    To help you:
    1983 #265 is 1917 #111
    1983 #283 is 1917 #143
    1983 #561 is 1917 #484
    1983 #608 is 1917 #597

    Thank you St. Peter.

    If the 1983 code and the 1917 code refer to the same canons, then they would be speaking about a situation where clerics are part of a particular church or personal prelature, and a diocese.

    From what I understand, SSPX describes its places of prayer and worship as chapels and not as churches. It is not clear if the places of worship among other traditional groups (Independent, Sedevacantist, etc) are also called chapels or churches.  Do you know if SSPX chapels fall under a diocese? Will the canon laws (Can. 265, 283 #1) apply to chapels?