Author Topic: Fr. James Haynos sermon - Post Falls (Read 13314 times)

CWA · « **Reply #15 on:** December 31, 2012, 01:52:10 PM »

Quote from: AveMarisStella

... Get your weekly "Traditional Latin Mass Product and School".

:confused1:

Speaking of schools, has anyone mentioned that the Mass at the boys' school is no longer mandatory, so hardly any of the boys go, and that it is increasingly difficult to get to daily Mass at ICC, and certainly not on a regular schedule, because daily Mass times are constantly changing on a moment's notice?

AveMarisStella · « **Reply #16 on:** December 31, 2012, 01:59:37 PM »

Quote from: CWA

Speaking of schools, has anyone mentioned that the Mass at the boys' school is no longer mandatory, so hardly any of the boys go, and that it is increasingly difficult to get to daily Mass at ICC, and certainly not on a regular schedule, because daily Mass times are constantly changing on a moment's notice?

All part of The Plan™, my friend.

Again, welcome to the Church of Fellay™! :dancing-banana: :dancing-banana: All are welcome! (Except, you know, Catholics in the line of Archbishop Lefebvre.)

I hope all this nonsense continues, because it will, hopefully, become undeniable to the Zombies In The Pews™ that there IS a shift in the SSPX and the ship is sinking.

I thank Our Lady of Good Success for exposing all of this. The Resistance, through Our Lady will continue!

SeanJohnson · « **Reply #17 on:** December 31, 2012, 02:42:26 PM »

Quote from: CWA

Quote from: Machabees
Earlier today I was informed by a friend who goes to the Post Falls Chapel, in which he said that Fr. James Haynos gave a very strong sermon on “OBEDIENCE to the Superior General” at the 9:am High Mass today.

My friend said the main points of Fr. Haynos’ sermon were about:

•   Hammering “Catholics” who contradict the direction of their priests, going around saying the SSPX is going liberal, and for not listening to the direction of your superiors who are trying to lead you and teach you.
•   The Pope is the authority, yes he says some bad things, but you must follow him. Bishop Fellay is the authority, and you need to follow him.
•   You need to listen to your leaders and obey them.
•   He described that there is a resistance in Post Falls who are not obeying the priests and causing them difficulty.
•   The priest cannot do his work that his superiors want him to do.
•   The SSPX priests, who recently left, only criticize Bishop Fellay, the authority figure, with no substance other than that these priests say that the SSPX is going to go Novus Ordo tomorrow.

"Hammering" Catholics is the right word. He even said he'd be in the confessional immediately after, as if all the congregation needed to go confession (for not being blindly obedient to +F and co? :confused1:). This sermon fit well with Fr. Vassal's "Change is okay/Vatican II wasn't all bad, so you must eat the parts of the poison cake that aren't poison" catechism class a few weeks ago. I also find it interesting that Fr. Haynos did the sermon at all 3 Masses, even though Fr. Johnson offered one of them. Fr. H said other things too. e.g. He made a big deal about how the SSPX is still not Novus Ordo after all these years. (As if that proves the Resistance wrong.) He said the Archbishop only criticized little things in the New Mass. It is kind of sad, because Fr. H was reputed to have been a little more hard-line/Resistance-minded earlier this year.

As we're so many others......until push came to shove.

Matthew · « **Reply #18 on:** December 31, 2012, 02:49:02 PM »

Quote from: AveMarisStella

Quote from: Machabees
Earlier today I was informed by a friend who goes to the Post Falls Chapel, in which he said that Fr. James Haynos gave a very strong sermon on “OBEDIENCE to the Superior General” at the 9:am High Mass today.

Etc ....

UNBELIEVABLE.

But then, maybe not. This is the same priest who gave a sermon in the last couple of months where he said the Crisis in the Church is the fault of the laypeople.[/i]

Was this Archbishop Lefevbre's belief? I don't recall ever reading this in any of +AB Lefevbre's writings. Perhaps someone more knowledgable can inform me of this.

Also, the pastor and other priests there are preaching that we need to expose our children to sin/temptations, even possibly *grave* ones in order to "build their virtue".

Someone needs to inform this guy of that (see Sermon XXII pg. 90). Oh wait, he's been dead for over 200 years ....

This is why +W is right and that the SSPX has become a CULT. And no doubt everyone sat through yesterday's sermon and did nothing. Get your weekly "Traditional Latin Mass Product and School".

:confused1:

Wow. Just wow.

We can NEVER knowingly expose ourselves OR our children to temptation or occasions of sin, unless for the gravest of reasons.

Throwing someone into the ocean is NOT how to teach them to swim. Such foolishness.

Matthew · « **Reply #19 on:** December 31, 2012, 02:50:14 PM »

Quote from: Seraphim

Quote from: Machabees
Earlier today I was informed by a friend who goes to the Post Falls Chapel, in which he said that Fr. James Haynos gave a very strong sermon on “OBEDIENCE to the Superior General” at the 9:am High Mass today.

My friend said the main points of Fr. Haynos’ sermon were about:

•   Hammering “Catholics” who contradict the direction of their priests, going around saying the SSPX is going liberal, and for not listening to the direction of your superiors who are trying to lead you and teach you.
•   The Pope is the authority, yes he says some bad things, but you must follow him. Bishop Fellay is the authority, and you need to follow him.
•   You need to listen to your leaders and obey them.
•   He described that there is a resistance in Post Falls who are not obeying the priests and causing them difficulty.
•   The priest cannot do his work that his superiors want him to do.
•   The SSPX priests, who recently left, only criticize Bishop Fellay, the authority figure, with no substance other than that these priests say that the SSPX is going to go Novus Ordo tomorrow.

My friends Observations:

•   First time anything from the pulpit was said on the SSPX crisis.
•   With this being the first sermon in this issue, it was about hammering the faithful to obey the priest; and to obey Bishop Fellay who is the authority in the SSPX.
•   It was confirmed that the sermon was pre-approved by Fr. Vassal.

:kick-can:

Commentary:

1) You made a grave tactical error when you taught us how to distinguish between true and false obedience!

2) Unlike yourself, Fr Haynos, we did not forget the lesson!

3) If you are unashamed to utter such incompetent stupidities from the pulpit (presuming this report is accurate; my apologies if it is not), then let us have open war in the SSPX.

4) War in every chapel between truth and error.

5) Accordista betrayers and dupes on one side, and loyalists on the other.

6) Why don't you just join the FSSP, or start a new order called GREC?

7) You leave us no option but to organize and fight you from within.

8) And that is exactly what we are doing!

9) You are the revolutionaries.

10) We are the counter-revolutionaries.

11) You can (apparently) transfer loyalist priests to Antarctica, but your scare tactics have no power over us!

12) Because we are willing to be martyred, but you are not!

13) You can have Bishop Fellay and Fr Rostand.

14) We will take Archbishop Lefebvre and Fr. Barrielle.

14) You have planted your flag on the wrong side.

Testify!

I wholeheartedly agree.

This is WAR. WAR ON!

Catechist99 · « **Reply #20 on:** December 31, 2012, 03:39:30 PM »

I heard the sermon was a success

AveMarisStella · « **Reply #21 on:** December 31, 2012, 05:46:56 PM »

Quote from: Matthew

Wow. Just wow.

We can NEVER knowingly expose ourselves OR our children to temptation or occasions of sin, unless for the gravest of reasons.

Throwing someone into the ocean is NOT how to teach them to swim. Such foolishness.

The pastor gave a sermon on a very crowded All Saint's High Mass and told the faithful they needed to expose their children to temptations, possible grave ones to build their virtue.

Did you get that? THE PASTOR.

The same one who has removed Cross Bearers because it's not the custom in France. Oh, and because he said so.

I guess they needed more room for the Angels At The Altar Rail™.

:argue:

bowler · « **Reply #22 on:** December 31, 2012, 08:47:22 PM »

bowler · « **Reply #23 on:** December 31, 2012, 08:49:14 PM »

bowler · « **Reply #24 on:** December 31, 2012, 08:50:56 PM »

Quote from: AveMarisStella

The pastor gave a sermon on a very crowded All Saint's High Mass and told the faithful they needed to expose their children to temptations, possible grave ones to build their virtue.

Did you get that? THE PASTOR.

The same one who has removed Cross Bearers because it's not the custom in France. Oh, and because he said so.

That sounds like something you'd hear from a Novus Ordo pervert priest.

Parents and adults can't even expose themselves "to temptations, possible grave ones".

"and lead us not into temptation" (The Our Father)

nipr · « **Reply #25 on:** December 31, 2012, 09:07:23 PM »

That makes as much sense as letting your child play with a child who has a contagious, possibly deadly disease to help build immunity. One should remind him of what Christ said about harming "the little ones."

Yes, I very well remember this kind of talk coming from newly ordained priests at the time of Vatican II. I didn't realize this advice was still being said. Guess some trash never decays.

What shocks you guys now was commonplace then. Maybe that's why I never liked Science Fiction -- Vatican II was so surprising and unrealistic that there has been nothing to equal it since. And now it's in Traditional circles. May God protect us!

trento · « **Reply #26 on:** January 01, 2013, 12:01:57 AM »

Quote from: AveMarisStella

Quote from: Machabees
Earlier today I was informed by a friend who goes to the Post Falls Chapel, in which he said that Fr. James Haynos gave a very strong sermon on “OBEDIENCE to the Superior General” at the 9:am High Mass today.

Etc ....

UNBELIEVABLE.

But then, maybe not. This is the same priest who gave a sermon in the last couple of months where he said the Crisis in the Church is the fault of the laypeople.[/i]

Was this Archbishop Lefevbre's belief? I don't recall ever reading this in any of +AB Lefevbre's writings. Perhaps someone more knowledgable can inform me of this.

Also, the pastor and other priests there are preaching that we need to expose our children to sin/temptations, even possibly *grave* ones in order to "build their virtue".

Someone needs to inform this guy of that (see Sermon XXII pg. 90). Oh wait, he's been dead for over 200 years ....

This is why +W is right and that the SSPX has become a CULT. And no doubt everyone sat through yesterday's sermon and did nothing. Get your weekly "Traditional Latin Mass Product and School".

:confused1:

If this is true, then it should be reported to the priest's superiors. The first instance should have been a warning sign and future sermons should have been recorded as proof.

Sigismund · « **Reply #27 on:** January 01, 2013, 12:09:41 AM »

Quote from: PAT317

Quote from: Sigismund
SSPX priests and religious, and I suppose Third Order members, owe Bishop Fellay obedience as long as they continue to be connected with the Society.

In the SSPX Third Order Rule, there is nothing about obedience to the SG of the SSPX.

Okay. Then the only people who owe him obedience are the priests and brothers in his society of the common life without vows, and then only so long as they are members.

And I would not be surprised if that "oversight" in the SSPX Third Order rule were to be corrected if someone, perhaps a pro- Bishop Fellay operative reading these pages, were to point it out.

Sigismund · « **Reply #28 on:** January 01, 2013, 12:11:16 AM »

Quote from: Seraphim

Quote from: Machabees
Earlier today I was informed by a friend who goes to the Post Falls Chapel, in which he said that Fr. James Haynos gave a very strong sermon on “OBEDIENCE to the Superior General” at the 9:am High Mass today.

My friend said the main points of Fr. Haynos’ sermon were about:

•   Hammering “Catholics” who contradict the direction of their priests, going around saying the SSPX is going liberal, and for not listening to the direction of your superiors who are trying to lead you and teach you.
•   The Pope is the authority, yes he says some bad things, but you must follow him. Bishop Fellay is the authority, and you need to follow him.
•   You need to listen to your leaders and obey them.
•   He described that there is a resistance in Post Falls who are not obeying the priests and causing them difficulty.
•   The priest cannot do his work that his superiors want him to do.
•   The SSPX priests, who recently left, only criticize Bishop Fellay, the authority figure, with no substance other than that these priests say that the SSPX is going to go Novus Ordo tomorrow.

My friends Observations:

•   First time anything from the pulpit was said on the SSPX crisis.
•   With this being the first sermon in this issue, it was about hammering the faithful to obey the priest; and to obey Bishop Fellay who is the authority in the SSPX.
•   It was confirmed that the sermon was pre-approved by Fr. Vassal.

:kick-can:

Commentary:

1) You made a grave tactical error when you taught us how to distinguish between true and false obedience!

2) Unlike yourself, Fr Haynos, we did not forget the lesson!

3) If you are unashamed to utter such incompetent stupidities from the pulpit (presuming this report is accurate; my apologies if it is not), then let us have open war in the SSPX.

4) War in every chapel between truth and error.

5) Accordista betrayers and dupes on one side, and loyalists on the other.

6) Why don't you just join the FSSP, or start a new order called GREC?

7) You leave us no option but to organize and fight you from within.

8) And that is exactly what we are doing!

9) You are the revolutionaries.

10) We are the counter-revolutionaries.

11) You can (apparently) transfer loyalist priests to Antarctica, but your scare tactics have no power over us!

12) Because we are willing to be martyred, but you are not!

13) You can have Bishop Fellay and Fr Rostand.

14) We will take Archbishop Lefebvre and Fr. Barrielle.

14) You have planted your flag on the wrong side.

Well said.

What does GREC stand for?

Sigismund · « **Reply #29 on:** January 01, 2013, 12:13:26 AM »

Quote from: s2srea

Quote from: PAT317
Quote from: Sigismund
SSPX priests and religious, and I suppose Third Order members, owe Bishop Fellay obedience as long as they continue to be connected with the Society.

In the SSPX Third Order Rule, there is nothing about obedience to the SG of the SSPX.

I've heard otherwise, from a Third Order member. He is an accordista, as far as I can tell, and said so during a discussion on obedience.

Well, it should be a simple matter to look at the Rule and see what it says. I am a Secular Franciscan. I promise respect to the guardian, not obedience. I promise to obey the Rule.