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Re: Fr Hoopes Mess
« Reply #80 on: Today at 05:14:17 AM »
And something like this I also find stupid and abrasive for no good reason, Thucists aren't mentally ill, severely traumatized or evil, they're mostly regular folk.

But if we're gonna ban everyone who frequently harshly insults other posters I don't know how many of the regulars we'd have left😭

Not suggesting banning. Read the other thread.

and no obviously it is not "stupid" or "abrasive". If you think that you are obviously very fragile. And probably an internet forum is not for you either.

The Thucists are objectively traumatised. I know this because, you know, outside of cathinfo I lived a life. I know unwell people when I see them. I know sad and traumatised and obsessive people when I see them. I see all the traits in these people.

I know enough from life to also know that people do not have to be walking around banging their heads off the wall in front of you to be traumatized. It might only take one topic to set them off. But a wise person knows that the last place for showing off your weak spots is on a public web forum. And that very lack of situational awareness is what lead me to write that other thread about asking them to leave.

Re: Fr Hoopes Mess
« Reply #81 on: Today at 05:31:53 AM »
Not suggesting banning. Read the other thread.

and no obviously it is not "stupid" or "abrasive". If you think that you are obviously very fragile. And probably an internet forum is not for you either.

The Thucists are objectively traumatised. I know this because, you know, outside of cathinfo I lived a life. I know unwell people when I see them. I know sad and traumatised and obsessive people when I see them. I see all the traits in these people.

I know enough from life to also know that people do not have to be walking around banging their heads off the wall in front of you to be traumatized. It might only take one topic to set them off. But a wise person knows that the last place for showing off your weak spots is on a public web forum. And that very lack of situational awareness is what lead me to write that other thread about asking them to leave.
I'm talking about people wanting you to get banned.

It is stupid and abrasive. Both sides of y'all are. When the convo every day is "you're retarded and autistic and evil and going to hell!!" and "no you're the one that's retarded and autistic and evil and going to hell!!" and it repeats ad nauseam then idk fellas /b/ is free.

I'm not hurt by it or anything it's just so boring and dumb I wish y'all would contain it to that one Thuc thread.

I don't think I'm alone in this


Re: Fr Hoopes Mess
« Reply #82 on: Today at 11:17:29 AM »

Thanks for both of your responses. :cowboy:


Re: Fr Hoopes Mess
« Reply #83 on: Today at 11:33:59 AM »
Bill sent this out on Sunday - hopefully it works out for the people at St. Charles.

From: William Price <harmonicadoctor@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, Aug 23, 2026 at 8:15 PM
Subject: Re: An Invitation to a New beginning at St. Charles
To:



An Invitation to a New Beginning at St. Charles


Dear Cheboygan Latin Mass Community and Faithful Catholic Supporters of St. Charles Borromeo Church,

It has been nearly four months since Fr. Timothy Scott Hoopes left ministry at St. Charles on April 25, 2026, and directed the congregation to meet at the former fire truck station in Topinabee, Michigan.
This has been difficult for many people. Friends who once prayed together have found themselves divided, and many questions remain. 


We cannot change what has happened, but we can decide how we move forward.

A New Beginning at St. Charles


I am grateful to announce that a traditional Catholic priest and a seminarian who is expected to be ordained to the priesthood this October are in the process of moving to Cheboygan with the intention of making St. Charles their permanent home and establishing a full-time traditional Catholic ministry.

For that reason, I respectfully ask Friends of St. Charles Borromeo to make the nonprofit-owned rectory available to the incoming clergy rather than selling it. We believe we will have a need for the rectory for the continued operations of St. Charles Church by mid-September.


In communications concerning what happened at St. Charles, Bishop Giacomo Ballini expressed sorrow over the situation and indicated that, if he had another priest available to send to St. Charles (to replace Hoopes), he would gladly do so. Subsequently, Bishop Gerardo Zendejas issued a warning regarding Fr. Hoopes.


Myself and other supporters of St. Charles Church believe the Lord has provided us a way out of division and danger, and is protecting our evangelical mission by providing us with two full-time priests.


Why We Believe the Rectory Should Be Preserved


We believe the rectory should remain available for clergy serving St. Charles rather than be sold while important questions remain unresolved.

In order to protect St. Charles, I hired a private investigator to better understand Fr. Hoopes’ past. Information gathered during the investigation has raised questions concerning the circuмstances under which some of Fr. Hoopes’ previous assignments ended and his alleged history. For that reason, I believe it is prudent to preserve an important charitable asset rather than commit it to another ministry before those questions are fully understood.


It is simply my belief that the church and rectory should remain devoted to the purpose for which faithful Catholics sacrificed to establish them, particularly now that clergy are prepared to make St. Charles their permanent home and support the Cheboygan latin mass community.


Please Join Us Tuesday, September 15


I warmly invite you to St. Charles Borromeo Church on Tuesday, September 15, at 6:30 PM, on the Feast of the Seven Sorrows of the Blessed Virgin Mary, to meet the incoming clergy and discuss the future of St. Charles. We believe they will be moved in by then, and if not, they will be available by phone.

This invitation is extended to everyone — those who remained with St. Charles, those presently worshipping in Topinabee, those who stepped away, and those who simply do not know what to believe.
You do not have to choose a side before walking through the doors.


After so much difficulty, the Feast of Our Lady of Sorrows seems an especially fitting day to ask for healing, wisdom, and peace.


Questions Concerning Fr. Hoopes


There are also matters concerning Fr. Hoopes that I believe deserve further clarification.

LifeSiteNews recently published an investigation concerning the events at St. Charles. Fr. Hoopes was given an opportunity to respond and has disputed allegations and implications concerning him. I encourage everyone who is interested to read the article and consider the information for themselves.


https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/exclusive-sspx-resistance-priest-allegedly-pressured-vietnam-vet-to-give-up-church-ownership/


Please Read Fr. Hoopes’ Own Words


Finally, I believe fairness requires that everyone have an opportunity to read Fr. Hoopes’ own explanation.
I am attaching his complete written letter concerning his departure from St. Charles (dated May 3rd, 2026).
I encourage everyone to read it in full rather than relying on my interpretation or anyone else’s.


In that letter, Fr. Hoopes wrote:


So, for all these reasons: from the heart I forgive and condone any sin or debt on your part to me; I humbly ask pardon and forgiveness from you for my misdeeds in my time with you. I truly wish you well with the property — I’m not just saying that — and I hope your dream comes true, and that a bishop and nuns and a school and everything else you desire happens, in a manner of which your conscience can wholeheartedly approve. You are right that I am too medieval and impractical; your property deserves a better priest, and if you redouble your prayers our Lady may help you find one.


Today, a priest and a seminarian preparing for ordination are willing to make St. Charles their permanent home.


We still have our church.


We still have our rectory.


We still have the sacrifices of the faithful who made St. Charles possible.


And we now have an opportunity to build something lasting.


Come and See


Please join us Tuesday, September 15, on the Feast of the Seven Sorrows of the Blessed Virgin Mary.

Come with your questions and concerns.


Meet the clergy.


See one another again.


Let us ask Our Lady of Sorrows to intercede for St. Charles, heal the divisions among us, and guide us faithfully toward her Divine Son.


In Christ,


William “Bill” Price


Attachment: Fr. Timothy Scott Hoopes — “Promised Thoughts”

PS: After Fr. Hoopes' departure, a package addressed to him at the St. Charles rectory was delivered to the Church containing a historically prohibited work concerning astrology and divination. We turned the book over to law enforcement, and it was subsequently returned to Fr. Hoopes. We have also received multiple complaints alleging occult, superstitious, and “white magic” practices. Fr. Hoopes disputes allegations concerning such practices.


Because these are grave spiritual matters, Fr. Hoopes is not invited to the September 15 meeting and will not be permitted to minister at St. Charles unless and until a valid Catholic bishop has examined these concerns and confirmed that he is in good standing and fit for ministry.

Re: Fr Hoopes Mess
« Reply #84 on: Today at 11:40:10 AM »
Here is Fr. Hoopes' letter to Bill from May 3rd. Bill included it in his outreach to the faithful. Hopefully the community will accept Fr. Hoopes' resignation from St. Charles and be able to accept the ministry of the new priests. (PS I am not Bill). Just wanted to get this info out there so people could see what Hoopes' really said here. He wished Bill well and hoped that Bill would receive the kind of priest "the property deserves".

Promised thoughts

Father Hoopes to Bill

May 3, 2026, 9:53 AM

Bill,

I said I'd have thoughts for you – here they are, short and sweet, if you want them. I put them in writing because, honestly, both of us have memory problems; this way there's no need to rely on our recollections of our words. I wanted to sit down with you next week to explain everything; your son told me he had a reason for wanting to break some news to you early. I trusted his judgment, but am sorry you didn't hear it from me.

Many people want me to entreat with you to get the church back; I've written and re-written a longish letter to you about three times now, to the point where I'm weary of it. Also, it seemed clear to me from our conversation on Wednesday a week past, that my opinions do not hold much weight with you. As you said, there's no point wasting my time in front of a word processor. Rather, therefore, than appear to grovel for the property, I'll say my final word as a man and, albeit unworthy, as a priest.

Some of your criticisms and ideas at our last conversation are reasonable: there is something to say about the ideal of structure or fraternity. I think there are reasons why these ideals are not easily obtainable today, and why, in our circuмstances, these ideals become imprudent liabilities. But both opinions are reasonable and I won't fault you for having those views. I'll only say that wasn't part of the deal when I came, and so I feel a bit sore about the switcheroo after two years. But you say you didn't know the loose nature of my organization with bishop Williamson, so there is also that. We will both have to make our apology to God some day, and see what He thinks.

I think your ideas about jurisdiction, bishops, etc., are uninformed. I'm not trying to be rude, just direct. But I know you are a man of conviction, and if you have fixated upon this as a moral truth, I am not going to dislodge the idea from your mind. Indeed, it would be a sin for you to go against your conscience on this matter. I wish you the best in forming and following your conscience.

Our Faith tells us that we owe restitution in some circuмstances. For example, many people gave many thousands towards the Rectory; one could not take all that money and then turn on a dime. The whole reason for the change in the Board of the FOSCB, was to be sure that the congregation felt they had a say in what would ultimately happen with their contributions, so that neither you nor I would have done any injustice to them, nor incurred any debt. Some may feel misled if they gave to the restoration of the church building, others may not, you can ask them if your conscience prompts you to do so; money taken to pay utilities is legitimate and can be kept. And if you have incurred any debt to me, for my part I condone and forgive it.

I do this because I am myself a sinful man. This is not false modesty, but is certainly the truth. Our Lord said, "let him that is without sin cast the first stone," and has warned us that if we do not forgive, we shall not be forgiven; if we look for the mote in our brother's eye, we will be damned for the beam in our own. I sin daily, often seriously; I know the times are confusing; I know Catholic morality is hard even to know, let alone to live up to, in the pressures of our time.

So, for all these reasons: from the heart I forgive and condone any sin or debt on your part to me; I humbly ask pardon and forgiveness from you for my misdeeds in my time with you. I truly wish you well with the property – I'm not just saying that – and I hope your dream comes true, and that a bishop and nuns and a school and everything else you desire happens, in a manner of which your conscience can wholeheartedly approve. You are right that I am too medieval and impractical; your property deserves a better priest, and if you redouble your prayers our Lady may help you find one.

I have sought to maintain your reputation with the people and to speak highly of you to them, and I assure you that I will continue to do so. I know you are a good man at heart, though we all struggle with our faults; as a priest one hears the sins of many, and over time it becomes quite clear that, for the most part, people are displeased by their own sins and faults, and this shows that their true selves really do differ from them. I will not publicize any knowledge of your private faults, nor allow it to colour my public description of your good character.

I know in the meantime that Carlene is going through a lot. There are no hard feelings on my part; I may be the world's worst priest, but I am one and it's my duty and privilege to help her, if I can do anything for her. Our Lord's Heart is always open; as His priest, and as a man with my own faults, I should imitate Him and try to act as I would wish for others to act towards me: so my door is always open to you.

God bless and keep you,

Fr. Hoopes