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Re: Fr. Hewko Still A Pfeifferite
« Reply #105 on: September 10, 2019, 03:10:01 PM »
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  • If you listen to Bishop Williamson in this clip, it is clear that he once publicly held that active attendance at the Novus Ordo Rite of Mass is intrinsically evil.  How does Sean explain this away?



    About the 0:55 minute mark:

    "... The New Mass is in any case illicit. In any case. It's designed to please Protestants, it's designed to undo Catholicism. It's intrinsically offensive to God, it's intrinsically evil. That's how it was designed and that's how it turned out."


    About the 2:40 minute mark:

    "If the New Mass is valid but illicit, may I attend? NO! ... The fact that it's valid does not mean it's OK to attend."



    The description of this video gets right to the point:

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    Bishop Williamson, in this short clip, explains the difference between a valid consecration and an illicit mass. One has to realize that because a Mass is valid does not mean it is permitted or licit (legal).  Attending an illicit mass is a mortal sin.


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    Re: Fr. Hewko Still A Pfeifferite
    « Reply #106 on: September 10, 2019, 04:49:55 PM »
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  • Confederate,
    I never said the communion in the hand invalidates the mass, but that the non-emergency, non-necessary indult is a Sacrilege.  Such sacrileges are so intertwined with the new liturgy that it makes the new mass immoral.  Much like having a water gun fight with holy water doesn’t de-sanctify the blessing, yet this activity is an abominable sin.  So, the practice of communion in the hand does not invalidate the mass, but it desecrates a holy activity, and (it is one of many actions which) makes the new mass immoral to attend.
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    If a person approaches to receive communion in the hand, with no emergency situation, then the priest/deacon who participates and the layman commit a Sacrilege.  It’s an indult, not the norm.  Just like it’s an indult to go to mass on Sat night.  Just like it’s an indult to eat meat on Friday.  Unless there’s an extreme reason, the law says it’s not allowed.  All the modernist priests/bishops forget to instruct the faithful about the “fine print” and the faithful go along with whatever novelty happens without question so the sacrileges continue.  But they are sacrileges, make no mistake. 


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    Re: Fr. Hewko Still A Pfeifferite
    « Reply #107 on: September 10, 2019, 05:08:48 PM »
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  • Confederate,
    I never said the communion in the hand invalidates the mass, but that the non-emergency, non-necessary indult is a Sacrilege.  


    Pax, earlier in this thread you made a distinction between a valid Mass and a valid consecration.    You seemed to be saying the Novus Ordo was not a valid Mass (even if the consecration was valid) because it lacks an offertory, which is one of the three essential parts of the Mass.  You also mentioned sacrilegious communion as one of the contributing factors to the invalidity of the Mass (since communion is also one of the three essential parts).  I'm curious were you referring to the Mass itself (not the consecration) as being "invalid" because it lacked something that is essential to the integrity of a Mass?
    "Schismatics are in another Church even if they agree with the true Church of Christ in faith and doctrine." (Bellarmine, De Ecclesia Militante cap v)

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    Re: Fr. Hewko Still A Pfeifferite
    « Reply #108 on: September 10, 2019, 08:10:47 PM »
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  • Yes, communion in the hand can’t affect the canon/consecration of the mass.  2 separate parts of the mass there.  
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    Since communion in the hand is an irreligious abomination, it’s easy to say that it makes the mass immoral, therefore it’s not a holy and pleasing rite.  I think it’s a stretch to argue that this practice makes the mass invalid but being that it philosophically leads one to believe that communion is a “supper” or a “meal”, one could argue that.  But such Protestant ideals are more heinously implied in the offertory and canon prayers (since the ideas of sacrifice were expunged).   Whether or not this practice is invalidating is immaterial, as there are plenty of other invalidating aspects. .

    Communion in the hand is certainly immoral and illegal, so the novus ordo must be avoided for these simple reasons (because to attend public sacrileges and publicly illicit rites are gravely sinful) even if EVERY OTHER part of the mass was valid.  

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    Re: Fr. Hewko Still A Pfeifferite
    « Reply #109 on: September 11, 2019, 06:44:47 AM »
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  • In the April 2016 Edition of Catholic Candle, the following proposition was posed to Resistance bishops and priests:

    No one should ever attend the new mass because it is inherently evil.

    Bishop Williamson responded refusing to take a stand one way or the other.

    Some of the clerics who affirmed the proposition were:

    Bishop Thomas Aquinas
    Fr. Edward MacDonald
    Fr. Juan Ortiz
    Fr. Richard Voigt
    Fr. Rene Trincado

    What does Sean have to say about this?


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    Re: Fr. Hewko Still A Pfeifferite
    « Reply #110 on: September 11, 2019, 07:13:11 AM »
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  • What does Sean have to say about this?
    After being thoroughly pummeled, Sean took has bat and ball and went back home.
    For a small gain they travel far; for eternal life many will scarcely lift a foot from the ground. - Thomas A Kempis

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    Re: Fr. Hewko Still A Pfeifferite
    « Reply #111 on: September 11, 2019, 07:16:57 AM »
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  • After being thoroughly pummeled, Sean took has bat and ball and went back home.

    That's not good enough.  If Sean is a man of honor, he should either further defend his position or publicly retract that which he has written, including what he has written in his book on the subject.

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    Re: Fr. Hewko Still A Pfeifferite
    « Reply #112 on: September 11, 2019, 01:13:53 PM »
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  • Is this topic part of the new book?  Seems to me on the topic of the  new mass’ inherent goodness, that Sean agrees with both the old sspx and the new-sspx, so not sure how this topic is part of the new-sspx changes.  


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    Re: Fr. Hewko Still A Pfeifferite
    « Reply #113 on: September 11, 2019, 04:03:04 PM »
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  • Is this topic part of the new book?  Seems to me on the topic of the  new mass’ inherent goodness, that Sean agrees with both the old sspx and the new-sspx, so not sure how this topic is part of the new-sspx changes.  

    I was speaking about the booklet that Sean wrote a few years ago.

     

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