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Title: Fr Hewko has Convert Syndrome
Post by: Matthew on February 25, 2019, 08:23:14 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UfhN0DZslQ

I'm going to call this "Convert Syndrome". It's where you change religions, groups, etc. but are super-defensive about it, because you carry with you some of the prejudices of your OLD group.

For example, "I'm going to start attending the Tridentine Mass. BUT I'M GOING TO STAY CHARITABLE, I'M NOT GOING TO THROW DARTS AT PICTURES OF THE POPE, I'M NOT GOING TO DRESS IN POTATO SACKS OR LITTLE-HOUSE-ON-THE-PRAIRIE ATTIRE, AND I CERTAINLY REFUSE TO EAT BABIES!"

or,

"I see that the Democratic party has become a revolutionary force for Leftism, Socialism, and the destruction of society. So I'm becoming a Republican. But I'm going to continue to be nice to people, including my non-white friends, and I'm going to continue to have compassion on poor people!"

See the old propaganda still present in this convert's mind? They have become a Trad, but much of their thinking about "What it means to be a Trad" is still formed by their old NOVUS ORDO milieu, complete with distortions, lies, and propaganda!

In other words, a person might be brought to see that their old position was untenable (Liberalism, leftism, protestantism, Conciliarism, Pfeifferism, etc.) but that doesn't mean they know what to do or where to go -- because those errors tend to DEMONIZE the places you normally escape to! (conservatism, Republican party, Catholicism, Traditional Catholicism, the mainstream Resistance, etc.)

So these people try to create a brand-new group just for themselves, as if they're special, as if both the group they left AND the group they logically should end up in are BOTH equally flawed.

Cults are especially good at instilling fear in would-be "apostates" who think about leaving the group.

Him saying "good Fr. Pfeiffer" was a bit disturbing.

Also, Fr. Hewko addresses the vagus priest issue by saying, "Show me a bishop who's holding the line of Archbishop Lefebvre. Show me one!"
So apparently he still doesn't like +Williamson. And I guess the other 3 as well by association?

"Show me one!" huh? I'll give you not one, but FOUR:

Bishop Richard Williamson
Bishop Jean-Michel Faure
Bishop Thomas Aquinas, OSB
Bishop Gerardo Zendejas

Each of these 4 is faithfully following the position and strategy of Archbishop Lefebvre, holding to the balanced position of that great prelate. They have gone neither Indult (like +Fellay et al) nor Sedevacantist. It's a tough position to maintain, with errors on both sides, but these men are doing it!

Fr. Hewko needs some prayers too.
Title: Re: Fr Hewko has Convert Syndrome
Post by: Matthew on February 25, 2019, 08:33:17 AM
See my two examples:

For example, "I'm going to start attending the Tridentine Mass. BUT I'M GOING TO STAY CHARITABLE, I'M NOT GOING TO THROW DARTS AT PICTURES OF THE POPE, I'M NOT GOING TO DRESS IN POTATO SACKS OR LITTLE-HOUSE-ON-THE-PRAIRIE ATTIRE, AND I CERTAINLY REFUSE TO EAT BABIES!"

or,

"I see that the Democratic party has become a revolutionary force for Leftism, Socialism, and the destruction of society. So I'm becoming a Republican. But I'm going to continue to be nice to people, including my non-white friends, and I'm going to continue to have compassion on poor people!"

You know you have a case of Convert Syndrome when you half-expect them to finish their speech with,

"...You know what? Nevermind. I think I'm just going to go back to _______ after all!"

or adding such a sentence at the end would make PERFECT SENSE.

Let's try it out with Fr. Hewko:

"Good Fr. Pfeiffer. Show me JUST ONE bishop who is following +ABL. ...You know what? Nevermind. I think I'm just going to go back to OLMC after all!"

...yup! It would flow. It would fit. Therefore, Fr. Hewko has a case of Convert Syndrome.
Title: Re: Fr Hewko has Convert Syndrome
Post by: hollingsworth on February 25, 2019, 12:09:04 PM

Poor Fr. Hewko. He is, at the very least, a bit slow on the uptake, IMO. He points to the questionable credentials of “Bp. Ambrose.” No, Fr. H., it’s not “Bp. Ambrose” who is the problem. It’s that other priest, whom you call good, even great. It’s Fr. Pfeiffer who is the problem. “Bp. Ambrose” does not even enter the picture without the intervention of Fr. P. Fr. P. is the one who brought him in. Fr. P. is the one who put his initial seal of approval on Ambrose. Don’t you get it? Please go to Bp. Williamson, and allow him to clear up the matter for you. I think H.E. may be of help to you. Otherwise you’re going to be just another vagus priest, wandering about in the desert. And most trads will not touch you with a ten foot pole.
Title: Re: Fr Hewko has Convert Syndrome
Post by: apollo on February 25, 2019, 02:44:55 PM
Fr. Hewko says Bishop Williamson is wrong about the Eucharistic miracle at the Novus Ordo Mass
and wrong about the Novus Ordo Mass being able to give grace. 

He said so is a video.  It's a black and white issue with him.  Novus Ordo is 100% evil, cannot have
a valid consecration, cannot have correct matter, form and intention.  Cannot, cannot, cannot.

There are some trads who agree with him.  I agree with Bishop Williamson.
Title: Re: Fr Hewko has Convert Syndrome
Post by: Matthew on February 25, 2019, 02:48:43 PM
Fr. Hewko says Bishop Williamson is wrong about the Eucharistic miracle at the Novus Ordo Mass
and wrong about the Novus Ordo Mass being able to give grace.  

He said so is a video.  It's a black and white issue with him.  Novus Ordo is 100% evil, cannot have
a valid consecration, cannot have correct matter, form and intention.  Cannot, cannot, cannot.

There are some trads who agree with him.  I agree with Bishop Williamson.


Worse yet, these emotional, simple-minded extremists try to bring +ABL into it, as if he was like Fr. Pfeiffer.

I hate to break it to them, but he had the balanced, rational stance of Bishop Williamson on this matter.

The Novus Ordo is not the same as the Lutheran Mass simpliciter. Perhaps for purposes of being an option for most Trads, they can be treated the same. But when you get technical, go into details, or study the edge cases, no they are not the same.
Title: Re: Fr Hewko has Convert Syndrome
Post by: hollingsworth on February 25, 2019, 03:16:50 PM
Apollo:
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Fr. Hewko says Bishop Williamson is wrong about the Eucharistic miracle at the Novus Ordo Mass
and wrong about the Novus Ordo Mass being able to give grace. 

He said so is a video.  It's a black and white issue with him.  Novus Ordo is 100% evil, cannot have
a valid consecration, cannot have correct matter, form and intention.  Cannot, cannot, cannot.

There are some trads who agree with him.  I agree with Bishop Williamson.

Yeah, exactly.  H.E. didn't invent the story and try to pass it off as a miracle.  The Argentine church authorities submitted the specimen for forensic analysis.  They found it to be bloody human tissue, from a specific location in the heart.  You have two choices.  Either it's all a Satanic slight-of-hand, or the sample is authentic and must be confronted for what it is.  H.E. chose the latter alternative.
Title: Re: Fr Hewko has Convert Syndrome
Post by: apollo on February 25, 2019, 03:17:03 PM
Fr. Hewko said that Archbishop said the Novus Ordo is poison,
like Bp Williamson was disagreeing with Ab Lefebvre.
 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvWDNKHKpIc),
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvWDNKHKpIc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvWDNKHKpIc)
,
He mentions Williamson at about 5:30.  He does not make a
distinction between Trads going to the Novus Ordo Mass,
and people who grew up in the Novus Ordo and don't know
any better.  It's like he did not hear Bp Williamson say,
"I'm not recommending to Novus Ordo to trads".
.
And Hewko  says, like Pfieffer, that the Eucharistic miracles
did not happen, because they CANNOT happen as a Novus
Ordo.  [And don't who me the evidence]
.
Title: Re: Fr Hewko has Convert Syndrome
Post by: St Paul on February 25, 2019, 03:29:55 PM
Give Fr. Hewko a break.

He has been in a cult for seven years, the last four being the worst of it.  Of course he is going to defend the cult to some degree, until all becomes clear to him.  This will take time.

In the meantime, leave him be and pray for him.
Title: Re: Fr Hewko has Convert Syndrome
Post by: apollo on February 25, 2019, 03:35:33 PM
OK, when he stops criticizing Bishop Williamson. 
Title: Re: Fr Hewko has Convert Syndrome
Post by: Ekim on February 25, 2019, 03:36:40 PM
Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t +ABL say that the NO could be valid and effect the Sacrament if offered using the exact form?  However, all the incidentals and abuses are what lead to the loss of faith...Lex Orendi Lex Credendi??

He said it should be avoided because it was (Is) a danger to the faith and leads to heresy.  I don’t ever remember reading him saying it was invalid and does not effect the Sacrament in and of itself.

If this is true then it would be possible that + Williamson is correct.
Title: Re: Fr Hewko has Convert Syndrome
Post by: Matthew on February 25, 2019, 03:46:02 PM
He does not make a
distinction between Trads going to the Novus Ordo Mass,
and people who grew up in the Novus Ordo and don't know
any better.  It's like he did not hear Bp Williamson say,
"I'm not recommending to Novus Ordo to trads".

This is one of the cardinal errors of the Pfeifferite cult. If you read their articles, lists, propaganda, sermons, you'd swear at least 10% of +Williamson supporters attend the Novus Ordo Mass at least once a year. Idiots! We're every bit as aloof from the Conciliar Church as they are.

We just distinguish things carefully when talking about theology.

And yes, an ignorant man/woman who doesn't "get it" yet is in a different category from a Trad who knows the deal.

As I've explained many times when talking about the Novus Ordo and the Conciliar Church, you have to be careful. For one thing, no other false religion says, "St. ____ Catholic Church" on the sign as you enter the Church every Sunday. Go home and google it, and the Catholic Church was founded by Jesus Christ 2,000 years ago. Pick up your Bible, and read the promise Christ made to St. Peter. Read about all the miracles that took place from Our Lord's time until the present day, backing up the authority and truth of the Catholic Church. Observe the unbroken line of Popes from St. Peter to the present day. Listen to your priest or read any Catholic spiritual book from any year, and they all corroborate this information: you are in the One True Church.

No Lutherans, Mormons, Methodists, Hindus, or Buddhists will ever be able to rest comfortably in such evidence.

So you can't say "Novus Ordo Mass is Protestant simpliciter." You can say it has protestant elements, tendencies, or origins, but not that it is protestant full stop. For us Trads, for practical purposes, yes we can just consider it protestant. We are to avoid both equally. But there still is a difference, which can't be ignored without violating the truth. That slight difference makes all the difference in the world when drawing conclusions about those who still attend it, the graces that may or may not objectively come from it, etc.

Unless you are awake to the Freemasonic infiltration, the Illuminati, the history of the Modernist heresy, the machinations that took place at Vatican II, read "The Rhine Flows into the Tiber" or "The Murky Waters of Vatican II" or similar books, you're going to be in the dark.

And when discussing the status of the Pope, the Conciliar Church, etc. you have to be careful about Christ's promise. It's a lot more complicated than "Two legs bad; Four legs good!"

People are so used to being aloof from the whole Conciliar Church, they forget that from God's point of view, those Novus Ordo Catholics are still precious souls he wants to save. It's easy for us (with our limited capacity for love in the first place) to be cold about it and not care. But God isn't that cold. Only He knows which ones want to be Catholic, and which ones don't -- and which wants are doing their best, and which ones aren't.
Title: Re: Fr Hewko has Convert Syndrome
Post by: Seraphina on February 25, 2019, 04:05:49 PM
Been there; done that.  

Not as a Catholic, but as a Protestant!  When Protestants have church splits, (Splitting is what defines them.), the break away group sets up shop in another location.  The glue that binds them together is not Christ, but "what was wrong with where we came from before we saw the light."  That glue lasts one generation, tops.  The children see through the facade and leave.  Outsiders, not experiencing or many times, even knowing the former are left confused and empty.  If God is merciful, the entire "church" dissolves and disappears through lack of interest.  If the Devil has his way, the rebellious glue is replaced by false doctrine, false morals, or a social cause requiring neither doctrine nor morals.  

I see the same disease metastasizing throughout the One True Holy Catholic Church.  But rest assure, Our Lord's promise remains in affect, "the gates of hell shall not prevail" over Her.
Title: Re: Fr Hewko has Convert Syndrome
Post by: Markus on February 25, 2019, 08:51:59 PM
Apollo:
Yeah, exactly.  H.E. didn't invent the story and try to pass it off as a miracle.  The Argentine church authorities submitted the specimen for forensic analysis.  They found it to be bloody human tissue, from a specific location in the heart.  You have two choices.  Either it's all a Satanic slight-of-hand, or the sample is authentic and must be confronted for what it is.  H.E. chose the latter alternative.
I agree, but why would God allow a miracle to happen in the Novus Ordo? Wouldn't that just confuse people?
Title: Re: Fr Hewko has Convert Syndrome
Post by: JmJ2cents on February 25, 2019, 11:26:53 PM
Fr. Hewko would be wise in taking a serious long break in a Monastery to do some praying and reflecting.  This is my prayer intention.   :pray:
Title: Re: Fr Hewko has Convert Syndrome
Post by: RoughAshlar on February 26, 2019, 06:45:31 AM
Didn't he do this in Silver City before he left the SSPX? Thought I remember him with half a tonsure for a while.
Title: Re: Fr Hewko has Convert Syndrome
Post by: Matthew on February 26, 2019, 08:02:46 AM
Didn't he do this in Silver City before he left the SSPX? Thought I remember him with half a tonsure for a while.
Fr. Hewko, while an SSPX priest, looked into a monastic vocation. He spent some time at a monastery (Silver City).
He was spoken very highly of when I was at the seminary for this reason. It was explained to me that every cleric has a right to "go higher" or towards a more difficult/perfect vocation. Going from a secular priest to the religious life, for example. A vocation that is easier or less perfect, on the other hand, you always need a dispensation.
Title: Re: Fr Hewko has Convert Syndrome
Post by: Smedley Butler on February 26, 2019, 08:51:49 AM
I agree, but why would God allow a miracle to happen in the Novus Ordo? Wouldn't that just confuse people?
Who knows? He is God and can do as He wills.
Maybe He did it so as to demonstrate the error of priests like Fr. Pfeiffer and Fr. Hewko preaching that it is 100% devoid of sacramental grace, who knows?
Title: Re: Fr Hewko has Convert Syndrome
Post by: confusedcatholic on February 26, 2019, 09:17:49 AM
Give Fr. Hewko a break.

He has been in a cult for seven years, the last four being the worst of it.  Of course he is going to defend the cult to some degree, until all becomes clear to him.  This will take time.

In the meantime, leave him be and pray for him.
Exactly! This "Convert Syndrome" is simply the residual effects of the cult programming.
Deprogramming takes time and reeducation.
In the meantime, continue praying.
Title: Re: Fr Hewko has Convert Syndrome
Post by: confusedcatholic on February 26, 2019, 09:36:50 AM
Fr. Hewko would be wise in taking a serious long break in a Monastery to do some praying and reflecting.  This is my prayer intention.   :pray:
Agreed. Unlikely to happen - looks like Fr Hewko has been inundated with requests from Mass coordinators across the country  and as far away as Australia since his phone # and email address has been made public on Trad sites. I just saw on another site, he is scheduled to go to Australia in May.
Title: Re: Fr Hewko has Convert Syndrome
Post by: hollingsworth on February 26, 2019, 10:00:35 AM
Markus:
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I agree, but why would God allow a miracle to happen in the Novus Ordo? Wouldn't that just confuse people?

It is above my level of competence or spiritual insight to know why God does much of anything.  I can not speak to the confusion which this incident might have caused.  But a couple of things we seem to know now, or, as we like to say, these are 'facts on the ground':
1) A Eucharistic miracle occurred and was proven forensically.
2) That miracle was performed in a NO church, apparently during a Novus Ordo Mass celebration.
3) The miracle almost certainly did not happen in a TLM Mass setting.
These facts may confuse people, I don't know.  But they didn't confuse the bishop.  He simply took them at face value and reported them out.  Since that time he has been pilloried and criticized mercilessly.
Title: Re: Fr Hewko has Convert Syndrome
Post by: Mr G on February 26, 2019, 10:48:44 AM
Markus:
It is above my level of competence or spiritual insight to know why God does much of anything.  I can not speak to the confusion which this incident might have caused.  But a couple of things we seem to know now, or, as we like to say, these are 'facts on the ground':
1) A Eucharistic miracle occurred and was proven forensically.
2) That miracle was performed in a NO church, apparently during a Novus Ordo Mass celebration.
3) The miracle almost certainly did not happen in a TLM Mass setting.
These facts may confuse people, I don't know.  But they didn't confuse the bishop.  He simply took them at face value and reported them out.  Since that time he has been pilloried and criticized mercilessly.
Did not some of these miracles happen before 2012 before? I do not recall Trads complaining about these until it became an issue against Bishop Williamson. It seems that any Novus Ordo Eucharistic Miracles was God's way to get the Novus ordo faithful to believe in the Real Presence again and hopefully they (Priests and faithful) will stop Communion in the hand. So for me, I have no problem believing in it (assuming it was thoroughly investigated and verified).
Title: Re: Fr Hewko has Convert Syndrome
Post by: hollingsworth on February 27, 2019, 10:36:28 AM

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Mr. G: Did not some of these miracles happen before 2012 before? I do not recall Trads complaining about these until it became an issue against Bishop Williamson. It seems that any Novus Ordo Eucharistic Miracles was God's way to get the Novus ordo faithful to believe in the Real Presence again and hopefully they (Priests and faithful) will stop Communion in the hand. So for me, I have no problem believing in it (assuming it was thoroughly investigated and verified).

I think the Eucharistic miracle in question occurred in 1995, in Argentina, in the very diocese over which then Card. Bergoglio ruled. (Check me on that, though)  You can find a fairly decent video about it on Youtube.  There was a similar incident in Poland not too long ago. 
Title: Re: Fr Hewko has Convert Syndrome
Post by: Matthew on February 27, 2019, 10:58:24 AM
Did not some of these miracles happen before 2012 before? I do not recall Trads complaining about these until it became an issue against Bishop Williamson. It seems that any Novus Ordo Eucharistic Miracles was God's way to get the Novus ordo faithful to believe in the Real Presence again and hopefully they (Priests and faithful) will stop Communion in the hand. So for me, I have no problem believing in it (assuming it was thoroughly investigated and verified).

Exactly.

I don't see what the confusion is.

First of all, DO NOT EVER attempt to wrap your mind around God or how He acts. "The Lord works in mysterious ways." His ways are not our ways. You would LITERALLY have an easier time scooping up the ocean into a small thimble. God is infinite; we have small, limited, meat brains.

Second, this touches on the near-heresy held onto for dear life by the +Williamson haters: namely, a simplistic and exaggerated notion of the evil/invalidity/etc of the Novus Ordo Mass. Their view on the Novus Ordo Mass is something totally foreign to +Lefebvre; but that doesn't stop them.

If they didn't have an exaggerated idea of the Novus Ordo Mass's evil, they wouldn't have ever had a problem with +Williamson.

Remember, the devil can get you two ways on each heading: excess or defect.

+Fellay and the accordistas are erring by DEFECT: not being critical or cautious enough about the Conciliar Church and all things pertaining to it.

Some Sedevacantists, Pfeifferites, and other "free thinkers" are erring by EXCESS by saying the Novus Ordo is evil as a Black Mass in all cases, it is always and in every case mortally sinful to attend, it is positively evil, it is never valid, it is equal to a Protestant service simpliciter, etc.

As always, the truth, the path of virtue, is in between AND ABOVE these two extremes.
Title: Re: Fr Hewko has Convert Syndrome
Post by: Matthew on February 27, 2019, 11:04:01 AM
With regards to God granting a miracle to some poor Novus Ordo priests/attendees -- let's just say I'm glad God isn't as limited, cold hearted, or "too busy to mess with them" as so many Trads are.

How many Trads are truly apostolic, truly put their money where their mouth is, truly make the salvation of souls their top priority, whatever their duty of state? Do we each spend our free time each day perfectly well?

If not, then we should fall silent and thank God that He, at least, loves and cares for these poor lost souls.

How many of us have managed to become saints in the meantime, even if we've had 0 success converting Novus Ordo Catholics to Tradition? I'm sure it would take a lot of patience. You don't think with some humility and prayer that God would grant us the patience?

Feeling humble yet?

It reminds me of another similar expression: "I'm glad that God is going to judge me, and not you!"
Human beings can be so heartless, cruel, mean, and indifferent.
Title: Re: Fr Hewko has Convert Syndrome
Post by: hollingsworth on February 27, 2019, 12:40:13 PM

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Matthew:With regards to God granting a miracle to some poor Novus Ordo priests/attendees -- let's just say I'm glad God isn't as limited, cold hearted, or "too busy to mess with them" as so many Trads are.
Yes, I totally agree.
Title: Re: Fr Hewko has Convert Syndrome
Post by: Matthew on March 05, 2019, 07:41:01 AM
Another Fr. Hewko sermon just came out.


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@28.40mins Fr Hewko, without mentioning names, briefly advises faithful not to go to mass of priests who have introduced schismatic bishops

What goes around, comes around I guess!

Also goes to show just how "Pfeifferized" Fr. Hewko still is. He might have left the group, but his differences with the Pfeiffer cult are superficial. He and Fr. Pfeiffer share the same mindset, goals, outlook, position, etc.
Title: Re: Fr Hewko has Convert Syndrome
Post by: Pax Vobis on March 05, 2019, 09:53:41 AM
How do you define a schismatic bishop?  Doesn't new-rome define it as every Trad Bishop?  Which bishops are ok, per Fr Hewko?  Or was he referring to "bishop" moran?  ha ha.
Title: Re: Fr Hewko has Convert Syndrome
Post by: 2Vermont on March 05, 2019, 11:14:37 AM
I often wonder whether these bible verses in Matthew 24 refer to the NO "miracles":

23 Then if any man shall say to you: Lo here is Christ, or there, do not believe him.  24 For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect.
Title: Re: Fr Hewko has Convert Syndrome
Post by: ignatius on March 07, 2019, 10:59:49 PM
Another Fr. Hewko sermon just came out.


What goes around, comes around I guess!

Also goes to show just how "Pfeifferized" Fr. Hewko still is. He might have left the group, but his differences with the Pfeiffer cult are superficial. He and Fr. Pfeiffer share the same mindset, goals, outlook, position, etc.

Which sermon is that?