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Fr Hewko has Convert Syndrome
« on: February 25, 2019, 08:23:14 AM »
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  • I'm going to call this "Convert Syndrome". It's where you change religions, groups, etc. but are super-defensive about it, because you carry with you some of the prejudices of your OLD group.

    For example, "I'm going to start attending the Tridentine Mass. BUT I'M GOING TO STAY CHARITABLE, I'M NOT GOING TO THROW DARTS AT PICTURES OF THE POPE, I'M NOT GOING TO DRESS IN POTATO SACKS OR LITTLE-HOUSE-ON-THE-PRAIRIE ATTIRE, AND I CERTAINLY REFUSE TO EAT BABIES!"

    or,

    "I see that the Democratic party has become a revolutionary force for Leftism, Socialism, and the destruction of society. So I'm becoming a Republican. But I'm going to continue to be nice to people, including my non-white friends, and I'm going to continue to have compassion on poor people!"

    See the old propaganda still present in this convert's mind? They have become a Trad, but much of their thinking about "What it means to be a Trad" is still formed by their old NOVUS ORDO milieu, complete with distortions, lies, and propaganda!

    In other words, a person might be brought to see that their old position was untenable (Liberalism, leftism, protestantism, Conciliarism, Pfeifferism, etc.) but that doesn't mean they know what to do or where to go -- because those errors tend to DEMONIZE the places you normally escape to! (conservatism, Republican party, Catholicism, Traditional Catholicism, the mainstream Resistance, etc.)

    So these people try to create a brand-new group just for themselves, as if they're special, as if both the group they left AND the group they logically should end up in are BOTH equally flawed.

    Cults are especially good at instilling fear in would-be "apostates" who think about leaving the group.

    Him saying "good Fr. Pfeiffer" was a bit disturbing.

    Also, Fr. Hewko addresses the vagus priest issue by saying, "Show me a bishop who's holding the line of Archbishop Lefebvre. Show me one!"
    So apparently he still doesn't like +Williamson. And I guess the other 3 as well by association?

    "Show me one!" huh? I'll give you not one, but FOUR:

    Bishop Richard Williamson
    Bishop Jean-Michel Faure
    Bishop Thomas Aquinas, OSB
    Bishop Gerardo Zendejas

    Each of these 4 is faithfully following the position and strategy of Archbishop Lefebvre, holding to the balanced position of that great prelate. They have gone neither Indult (like +Fellay et al) nor Sedevacantist. It's a tough position to maintain, with errors on both sides, but these men are doing it!

    Fr. Hewko needs some prayers too.
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    Re: Fr Hewko has Convert Syndrome
    « Reply #1 on: February 25, 2019, 08:33:17 AM »
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  • See my two examples:

    For example, "I'm going to start attending the Tridentine Mass. BUT I'M GOING TO STAY CHARITABLE, I'M NOT GOING TO THROW DARTS AT PICTURES OF THE POPE, I'M NOT GOING TO DRESS IN POTATO SACKS OR LITTLE-HOUSE-ON-THE-PRAIRIE ATTIRE, AND I CERTAINLY REFUSE TO EAT BABIES!"

    or,

    "I see that the Democratic party has become a revolutionary force for Leftism, Socialism, and the destruction of society. So I'm becoming a Republican. But I'm going to continue to be nice to people, including my non-white friends, and I'm going to continue to have compassion on poor people!"

    You know you have a case of Convert Syndrome when you half-expect them to finish their speech with,

    "...You know what? Nevermind. I think I'm just going to go back to _______ after all!"

    or adding such a sentence at the end would make PERFECT SENSE.

    Let's try it out with Fr. Hewko:

    "Good Fr. Pfeiffer. Show me JUST ONE bishop who is following +ABL. ...You know what? Nevermind. I think I'm just going to go back to OLMC after all!"

    ...yup! It would flow. It would fit. Therefore, Fr. Hewko has a case of Convert Syndrome.
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    Re: Fr Hewko has Convert Syndrome
    « Reply #2 on: February 25, 2019, 12:09:04 PM »
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  • Poor Fr. Hewko. He is, at the very least, a bit slow on the uptake, IMO. He points to the questionable credentials of “Bp. Ambrose.” No, Fr. H., it’s not “Bp. Ambrose” who is the problem. It’s that other priest, whom you call good, even great. It’s Fr. Pfeiffer who is the problem. “Bp. Ambrose” does not even enter the picture without the intervention of Fr. P. Fr. P. is the one who brought him in. Fr. P. is the one who put his initial seal of approval on Ambrose. Don’t you get it? Please go to Bp. Williamson, and allow him to clear up the matter for you. I think H.E. may be of help to you. Otherwise you’re going to be just another vagus priest, wandering about in the desert. And most trads will not touch you with a ten foot pole.

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    Re: Fr Hewko has Convert Syndrome
    « Reply #3 on: February 25, 2019, 02:44:55 PM »
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  • Fr. Hewko says Bishop Williamson is wrong about the Eucharistic miracle at the Novus Ordo Mass
    and wrong about the Novus Ordo Mass being able to give grace. 

    He said so is a video.  It's a black and white issue with him.  Novus Ordo is 100% evil, cannot have
    a valid consecration, cannot have correct matter, form and intention.  Cannot, cannot, cannot.

    There are some trads who agree with him.  I agree with Bishop Williamson.
    Apollo was an Egyptian hermit, founder, and miracle worker, born about 310 AD.

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    Re: Fr Hewko has Convert Syndrome
    « Reply #4 on: February 25, 2019, 02:48:43 PM »
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  • Fr. Hewko says Bishop Williamson is wrong about the Eucharistic miracle at the Novus Ordo Mass
    and wrong about the Novus Ordo Mass being able to give grace.  

    He said so is a video.  It's a black and white issue with him.  Novus Ordo is 100% evil, cannot have
    a valid consecration, cannot have correct matter, form and intention.  Cannot, cannot, cannot.

    There are some trads who agree with him.  I agree with Bishop Williamson.


    Worse yet, these emotional, simple-minded extremists try to bring +ABL into it, as if he was like Fr. Pfeiffer.

    I hate to break it to them, but he had the balanced, rational stance of Bishop Williamson on this matter.

    The Novus Ordo is not the same as the Lutheran Mass simpliciter. Perhaps for purposes of being an option for most Trads, they can be treated the same. But when you get technical, go into details, or study the edge cases, no they are not the same.
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    Re: Fr Hewko has Convert Syndrome
    « Reply #5 on: February 25, 2019, 03:16:50 PM »
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  • Apollo:
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    Fr. Hewko says Bishop Williamson is wrong about the Eucharistic miracle at the Novus Ordo Mass
    and wrong about the Novus Ordo Mass being able to give grace. 

    He said so is a video.  It's a black and white issue with him.  Novus Ordo is 100% evil, cannot have
    a valid consecration, cannot have correct matter, form and intention.  Cannot, cannot, cannot.

    There are some trads who agree with him.  I agree with Bishop Williamson.

    Yeah, exactly.  H.E. didn't invent the story and try to pass it off as a miracle.  The Argentine church authorities submitted the specimen for forensic analysis.  They found it to be bloody human tissue, from a specific location in the heart.  You have two choices.  Either it's all a Satanic slight-of-hand, or the sample is authentic and must be confronted for what it is.  H.E. chose the latter alternative.

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    Re: Fr Hewko has Convert Syndrome
    « Reply #6 on: February 25, 2019, 03:17:03 PM »
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  • Fr. Hewko said that Archbishop said the Novus Ordo is poison,
    like Bp Williamson was disagreeing with Ab Lefebvre.
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    He mentions Williamson at about 5:30.  He does not make a
    distinction between Trads going to the Novus Ordo Mass,
    and people who grew up in the Novus Ordo and don't know
    any better.  It's like he did not hear Bp Williamson say,
    "I'm not recommending to Novus Ordo to trads".
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    And Hewko  says, like Pfieffer, that the Eucharistic miracles
    did not happen, because they CANNOT happen as a Novus
    Ordo.  [And don't who me the evidence]
    .
    Apollo was an Egyptian hermit, founder, and miracle worker, born about 310 AD.

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    Re: Fr Hewko has Convert Syndrome
    « Reply #7 on: February 25, 2019, 03:29:55 PM »
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  • Give Fr. Hewko a break.

    He has been in a cult for seven years, the last four being the worst of it.  Of course he is going to defend the cult to some degree, until all becomes clear to him.  This will take time.

    In the meantime, leave him be and pray for him.


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    Re: Fr Hewko has Convert Syndrome
    « Reply #8 on: February 25, 2019, 03:35:33 PM »
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  • OK, when he stops criticizing Bishop Williamson. 
    Apollo was an Egyptian hermit, founder, and miracle worker, born about 310 AD.

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    Re: Fr Hewko has Convert Syndrome
    « Reply #9 on: February 25, 2019, 03:36:40 PM »
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  • Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t +ABL say that the NO could be valid and effect the Sacrament if offered using the exact form?  However, all the incidentals and abuses are what lead to the loss of faith...Lex Orendi Lex Credendi??

    He said it should be avoided because it was (Is) a danger to the faith and leads to heresy.  I don’t ever remember reading him saying it was invalid and does not effect the Sacrament in and of itself.

    If this is true then it would be possible that + Williamson is correct.

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    Re: Fr Hewko has Convert Syndrome
    « Reply #10 on: February 25, 2019, 03:46:02 PM »
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  • He does not make a
    distinction between Trads going to the Novus Ordo Mass,
    and people who grew up in the Novus Ordo and don't know
    any better.  It's like he did not hear Bp Williamson say,
    "I'm not recommending to Novus Ordo to trads".

    This is one of the cardinal errors of the Pfeifferite cult. If you read their articles, lists, propaganda, sermons, you'd swear at least 10% of +Williamson supporters attend the Novus Ordo Mass at least once a year. Idiots! We're every bit as aloof from the Conciliar Church as they are.

    We just distinguish things carefully when talking about theology.

    And yes, an ignorant man/woman who doesn't "get it" yet is in a different category from a Trad who knows the deal.

    As I've explained many times when talking about the Novus Ordo and the Conciliar Church, you have to be careful. For one thing, no other false religion says, "St. ____ Catholic Church" on the sign as you enter the Church every Sunday. Go home and google it, and the Catholic Church was founded by Jesus Christ 2,000 years ago. Pick up your Bible, and read the promise Christ made to St. Peter. Read about all the miracles that took place from Our Lord's time until the present day, backing up the authority and truth of the Catholic Church. Observe the unbroken line of Popes from St. Peter to the present day. Listen to your priest or read any Catholic spiritual book from any year, and they all corroborate this information: you are in the One True Church.

    No Lutherans, Mormons, Methodists, Hindus, or Buddhists will ever be able to rest comfortably in such evidence.

    So you can't say "Novus Ordo Mass is Protestant simpliciter." You can say it has protestant elements, tendencies, or origins, but not that it is protestant full stop. For us Trads, for practical purposes, yes we can just consider it protestant. We are to avoid both equally. But there still is a difference, which can't be ignored without violating the truth. That slight difference makes all the difference in the world when drawing conclusions about those who still attend it, the graces that may or may not objectively come from it, etc.

    Unless you are awake to the Freemasonic infiltration, the Illuminati, the history of the Modernist heresy, the machinations that took place at Vatican II, read "The Rhine Flows into the Tiber" or "The Murky Waters of Vatican II" or similar books, you're going to be in the dark.

    And when discussing the status of the Pope, the Conciliar Church, etc. you have to be careful about Christ's promise. It's a lot more complicated than "Two legs bad; Four legs good!"

    People are so used to being aloof from the whole Conciliar Church, they forget that from God's point of view, those Novus Ordo Catholics are still precious souls he wants to save. It's easy for us (with our limited capacity for love in the first place) to be cold about it and not care. But God isn't that cold. Only He knows which ones want to be Catholic, and which ones don't -- and which wants are doing their best, and which ones aren't.
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    Re: Fr Hewko has Convert Syndrome
    « Reply #11 on: February 25, 2019, 04:05:49 PM »
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  • Been there; done that.  

    Not as a Catholic, but as a Protestant!  When Protestants have church splits, (Splitting is what defines them.), the break away group sets up shop in another location.  The glue that binds them together is not Christ, but "what was wrong with where we came from before we saw the light."  That glue lasts one generation, tops.  The children see through the facade and leave.  Outsiders, not experiencing or many times, even knowing the former are left confused and empty.  If God is merciful, the entire "church" dissolves and disappears through lack of interest.  If the Devil has his way, the rebellious glue is replaced by false doctrine, false morals, or a social cause requiring neither doctrine nor morals.  

    I see the same disease metastasizing throughout the One True Holy Catholic Church.  But rest assure, Our Lord's promise remains in affect, "the gates of hell shall not prevail" over Her.

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    Re: Fr Hewko has Convert Syndrome
    « Reply #12 on: February 25, 2019, 08:51:59 PM »
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  • Apollo:
    Yeah, exactly.  H.E. didn't invent the story and try to pass it off as a miracle.  The Argentine church authorities submitted the specimen for forensic analysis.  They found it to be bloody human tissue, from a specific location in the heart.  You have two choices.  Either it's all a Satanic slight-of-hand, or the sample is authentic and must be confronted for what it is.  H.E. chose the latter alternative.
    I agree, but why would God allow a miracle to happen in the Novus Ordo? Wouldn't that just confuse people?

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    Re: Fr Hewko has Convert Syndrome
    « Reply #13 on: February 25, 2019, 11:26:53 PM »
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  • Fr. Hewko would be wise in taking a serious long break in a Monastery to do some praying and reflecting.  This is my prayer intention.   :pray:

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    Re: Fr Hewko has Convert Syndrome
    « Reply #14 on: February 26, 2019, 06:45:31 AM »
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  • Didn't he do this in Silver City before he left the SSPX? Thought I remember him with half a tonsure for a while.

     

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