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Traditional Catholic Faith => SSPX Resistance News => Topic started by: Matthew on June 13, 2017, 09:52:20 PM
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We know that the KY Fathers are not fans of Bp Zendejas.
Not surprisingly, a hysterical reaction against his Episcopal Consecration on May 11 was launched by them using all kind of accusations to discredit him and the three other bishops.
As an example, Fr Hewko, in a sermon delivered on May 14 in St Mary's KS, accused the four bishops of "masonic spirit" [min. 28] The "proof"? People were not allowed to record the video of the ceremony! (sic)
In other words, no recording allowed = secrecy = masonic spirit.
The lack of logic and proof of this reasoning is self-evident and ridiculous, and reveals the malice and perversion of its author.
The use of cameras by the faithful in a religious ceremony, according to him, would be now a warranty of honesty?
But it was not enough to slander the four bishops present on May 11. They were also labeled as "modernist" and "liberal" [min. 34] by the same priest.
On May 21, the same Fr Hewko accused Bp Zendejas of being a "wolf" and an "eel".
Fr Hewko then became paranoid when he affirms that "The purpose of consecrating Bishop Zendejas in the United States is to crush Our Lady of Mount Carmel in Kentucky. They want it destroyed! They want the work of Archbishop Lefebvre stopped".
The KY Fathers are self-destroying themselves by their erratic behavior, so they don't need any external force to do the job...
There are, in these two sermons, very harsh and offensive words, uttered by Fr Hewko, who is supposed to play the "damage control" role among the KY Fathers and to have a more measured tone in his words. This is evidently not anymore the case.
These calumnious accusations should help open the eyes of their followers on the fact the KY Fathers have lost all credibility by conducting themselves in a manner unworthy of priests.
Fr. Ortiz
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Is there a link? I found several entries on youtube that might be it, but I'm not sure.
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Needless to say, this is very sad. I was praying he would come to his senses.
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Was the whole thing originally written by Fr Ortiz, and posted on his behalf by you Matthew? I see his name at the bottom.
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Was the whole thing originally written by Fr Ortiz, and posted on his behalf by you Matthew? I see his name at the bottom.
As far as I know, that's the only way a person could interpret my post above. I thought it was clear enough.
It was from an e-mail Fr. Ortiz sent out.
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Was the whole thing originally written by Fr Ortiz, and posted on his behalf by you Matthew? I see his name at the bottom.
I found it a little confusing too.
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Wow. These priests have lost it. I went to their website recently..they had a sermon from + Williamson "mocking heaven." It was from the conference after the consecration of +Z. It was referring to when +W told +Z that the "...road to hell is paved w the skulls of bishops" .... people laughed. The KY Fathers are looking for anything to distort. I'd post it, but I don't have time to figure out how.
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Felicitas: These priests have lost it.
Yeah, they've lost it alright. But what makes it very sad is that they're supposed to be part of "Resistance" to an organization of priests and bishops who had already lost it several years earlier. Now, I'm afraid, a number of the faithful are losing it. God help us.
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Is there a link to the sermon cited by Fr. Ortiz?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oo3b_TyDrU8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5F0XodB17k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Lf9pO21Jєω
http://cor-mariae.com/index.php?threads/new-tactic-erosion.5632/
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http://cor-mariae.com/index.php?threads/new-tactic-erosion.5632/
And so, the answer of these cultists is to despise the "smells and bells" as if they are an accretion to the Catholic Faith.
I have wondered in the past that in this great crisis was it necessary to have elaborate ceremonial and various Gregorian chant. There are cases when the singing is almost non-stop and you have to sit and stand quite often, all this hardly conducive to prayer. I have actually seen priests in the sanctuary gesturing to the faithful to sit. Once, during the Asperges, the priest paused by a kneeling faithful and got him to stand up. Why?. Over the years Mass centers have evolved into parishes of sorts, the fight against Modernism and the errors of Vatican II has been forgotten, and, of course, canonical recognition by the very Modernists has become the all consuming interest.
YES, the smells and bells aren't EVERYTHING. If that is ALL you have (e.g., the Indult), then you are in trouble. The Crisis in the Church is about the whole Catholic Faith, not just the Mass.
But NO, that doesn't mean the "smells and bells" are worthless or to be despised. After all, these Catholic trappings are one of the things that separate us from the iconoclastic Protestants -- and the Novus Ordo Conciliar religion! In those false religions, everything is plain, banal, and reeking of profane, day-to-day life.
As Bp. Zendejas has said, "The Catholic Faith is a habit of life." in other words, it's something to be PRACTICED and LIVED. As St. James said, "Faith without works is dead."
And let NONE OF US FORGET:
The Novus Ordo did not get to where it is today by starting out with a bunch of doctrinal heresies. No, it was the other way around. (After introducing ambiguities into the Vatican II docuмents themselves,) they got things started by changing the Mass and everything about it, neglecting Our Lady, neglecting the sacrificial aspect of the Mass, ceasing to use a sacred language, changing the sermons, ignoring entire doctrines... and the heresies developed on their own later. The Conciliar Church never came out and said, "There's no such thing as Purgatory." No, they just replaced the Requiem Mass with the Mass of Christian Burial which uses white vestments, and let the priests capitulate to human respect by eulogizing and de-facto canonizing the departed ones.
NOTE: I'm not making the common mistake of picking out just one member and acting like he represents the larger group. In this particular case, the attitude (above) comes from the very top: Fr. Pfeiffer himself. Remember Fr. Pfeiffer's sermon a couple years ago about putting a Rosary under one's pillow to be saved? And he LOVES the Japanese "hidden Christians", using them as a model for his current flock.
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http://cor-mariae.com/index.php?threads/new-tactic-erosion.5632/
It is a sad to read that Fr. Hewko could utter such words. Unfortunately, it seems like he too has been misled by the Boston KY seminary director Mr. Pablo!
How many times has anyone heard his Excellency Bishop Zendejas say anything about Boston Kentucky ? He rightly ignores the cast of characters as they are not worth mentioning. Yet, the bunch at Kentucky Boston have nothing but hatred towards anyone who does not follow Mr. Pablo (The Boston Kentucky Seminary role model! )
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:'( Those of us who find themselves inadvertently stuck in the middle of this mess---thanks to priests on both "sides"and some of their "followers"---go without Mass and Sacraments.
:pray: It's actually a lot less stressful praying in exile.
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Is there a link? I found several entries on youtube that might be it, but I'm not sure.
That's the problem. Practically all of the youtube sermons are spouting this stuff. I'm sure Fr H believes it, and thinks he is doing his duty by warning the faithful. He seems to have gone 'off the reservation', paddled through the 'deep end', and is now broaching the Twilight Zone. I found the transcript of the 5th Sun after Easter particularly troubling in several places, especially the reference to Fr Goldman:
So we're at the time I think, I think we're back to that that great story of Father Goldman. What did he do?
Father, these these boys are dying on the field, you're going to neglect them? You're not going to let me take Host to them?
Father Goldman, as a young seminarian and a soldier for the German army, took out his pistol. Held it to the priests head ... Give me the Host now!
Oh yeah, okay okay. He opened the tabernacle, took out the Host and he let him take the Host for the dying soldiers. At gunpoint. At gunpoint.
What the heck is that about? Is it some indication that Boston feels justified in using extreme measures to 'kidnap' the sacraments ? ( such as consecration by a phony bishop?)
One reason that I asked if the whole post was by Fr Ortiz was because I just couldn't picture him using the term "full-ape insane". On second thought...
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One reason that I asked if the whole post was by Fr Ortiz was because I just couldn't picture him using the term "full-ape insane".
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I presume Matthew wrote the topic subject.
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Extreme talk is what fosters problems.
I see nothing wrong with disallowing the faithful to video a ceremony, but really, in this day and age, they should designate one person to do so. It helps to take care of weak Catholics later when they feel they need proof of validity.
They are certainly extreme in accusing of being "masonic", but at the same time saying "full-ape insane" and "cult" just adds to the problem likewise.
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I presume Matthew wrote the topic subject.
Yes, I wrote the subject heading.
Most notes, e-mails, etc. don't come with a handy subject line, although many *articles* do have a title.
And even when they do, it's not necessarily the best or the most descriptive.
So the person posting it can select his own title, since he is obviously the one doing the posting (though the content itself might not be his).
It's my "post" even though the contents of the post are Fr. Ortiz's.
Normally such confusion would be cleared up by posting a link to the original blog or article, where you'd be able to see the original title. But in this case, the original is a text e-mail -- and you can't link to those.
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The lack of logic and proof of this reasoning is self-evident and ridiculous, and reveals the malice and perversion of its author.
...slander the four bishops present on May 11. They were also labeled as "modernist" and "liberal" [min. 34] by the same priest.
...Fr Hewko accused Bp Zendejas of being a "wolf" and an "eel".
Fr Hewko then became paranoid...
The KY Fathers are self-destroying themselves by their erratic behavior...
There are...very harsh and offensive words, uttered by Fr Hewko, who is supposed to play the "damage control" role among the KY Fathers and to have a more measured tone in his words. This is evidently not anymore the case.
These calumnious accusations should help open the eyes of their followers on the fact the KY Fathers have lost all credibility by conducting themselves in a manner unworthy of priests.
Just look at all the points I highlighted, above.
I'd say "full-ape insane" is a measured and accurate assessment of the situation.
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I don't know, Matthew. Apes probably would never slander a religious, as beasts are incapable of such audacity against their Creator...
I feel the Apes have been insulted!
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All this infighting takes a lot of credibility away from the Resistance - they can't tolerate Rome, SSPX, or even themselves.
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I don't think two priests with a YouTube channel constitutes "infighting".
We had a Resistance priest from abroad visit us not too long ago and he was very uninterested in discussion of Pfeifferville. He brushed it off as a local problem.
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Just look at all the points I highlighted, above.
I'd say "full-ape insane" is a measured and accurate assessment of the situation.
I say it is neither measured, nor accurate.
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Just look at all the points I highlighted, above.
I'd say "full-ape insane" is a measured and accurate assessment of the situation.
The language in Fr. Ortiz' letter is never mentioned. Fr. Ortiz is never considered to be embellishing words, speaking falsely, or just of his own opinion. Fr. Ortiz is no better for freaking out in his letter than Fr. Hewko freaking out, airing their dirty laundry. Malice indeed, by both parties, against other priests...and publicly! This girly behavior has gone on far too long. Look, no one is saying there isn't important differences in approach, scandal, bad behavior, malice, even faith. But what the laity should demand is that these knuckleheads pipe down and take it to the back room. I don't want to hear the politics of their relationships EVERY SINGLE TIME THEY SPEAK. Once or twice a year, we would like to know where priests stand. NEVER at the expense of another priest or bishop. I wash my dirty laundry in the laundry room and rinse the dirt into the ground. These priests oughta do the same, get it together and quit this infighting. Christ asked that we all become one. Why aren't they working for unity at least by way of discretion. No one is saying *compromise faith*. If you'll know they are Christians by their love, I'm not sure these are Christians by this hate.
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The language in Fr. Ortiz' letter is never mentioned. Fr. Ortiz is never considered to be embellishing words, speaking falsely, or just of his own opinion. Fr. Ortiz is no better for freaking out in his letter than Fr. Hewko freaking out, airing their dirty laundry. Malice indeed, by both parties, against other priests...and publicly! This girly behavior has gone on far too long. Look, no one is saying there isn't important differences in approach, scandal, bad behavior, malice, even faith. But what the laity should demand is that these knuckleheads pipe down and take it to the back room. I don't want to hear the politics of their relationships EVERY SINGLE TIME THEY SPEAK. Once or twice a year, we would like to know where priests stand. NEVER at the expense of another priest or bishop. I wash my dirty laundry in the laundry room and rinse the dirt into the ground. These priests oughta do the same, get it together and quit this infighting. Christ asked that we all become one. Why aren't they working for unity at least by way of discretion. No one is saying *compromise faith*. If you'll know they are Christians by their love, I'm not sure these are Christians by this hate.
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Rev. Fr. Ortiz was correct in warning the faithful, just as he did with regards to the fictitious Bishop Ambrose Moron
- first part:
http://www.ecclesiamilitans.com/201...edward-moran-dolgorouky-fr-juan-carlos-ortiz/ (http://www.ecclesiamilitans.com/2015/12/19/a-theological-and-canonical-study-on-the-case-of-william-edward-moran-dolgorouky-fr-juan-carlos-ortiz/)
- and second part:
http://www.ecclesiamilitans.com/201...iam-a-k-a-ambrose-moran-fr-juan-carlos-ortiz/ (http://www.ecclesiamilitans.com/2016/03/17/the-association-of-the-olmc-fathers-with-william-a-k-a-ambrose-moran-fr-juan-carlos-ortiz/)
Seems like some on cor-mariae.com do not want to address the ongoing issues at Boston KY and prefer to encourage the hatred towards other ‘Resistance’ priest. Could it be the Boston KY priests are afraid to confront the Boston Seminary Director Mr P? anyone wonder why?
We need to pray more for these two priest at Boston KY, :pray: is the only solution !
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With all due respect Happenby and Seraphina, publicly calling out priests who are sinning in PUBLIC MATTERS is not infighting.
Let's put it this way: it is not about attacking Fr. Hewko or Fr. Pfeiffer, it is about showing charity to Bp. Zendejas and Bp. Williamson, whose reputations and good name are under UNJUST ATTACK.
Likewise, my motive for joining the Resistance wasn't so much to "oppose" Bp. Fellay and his cronies. It was more to defend the good priests being ejected for being faithful to the old SSPX of Abp. Lefebvre. Good priests who stand up and hold to true Catholic principles deserve our support. The other priests -- whether they are weak, bowing to human respect, corrupted by bad teachings, or even malicious -- they might come around later, that is true. We can hope for them and keep them in our prayers. But the priests and bishops who are TODAY standing up and leaving behind everything for the sake of the truth, they have a greater and higher priority claim on our support!
But that requires opposing the group doing the evil (e.g., the SSPX). It's not about love of conflict; it's about loyalty to God and His truth. The conflict is just a consequence.
Remember Our Lord was involved in plenty of controversies Himself. Would you dare to accuse Our Lord of being involved in "infighting" or controversies, as if that were automatically a bad thing? Our Lord was a galvanizing and controversial figure; everyone either loved Him or hated Him. Hmm... kind of reminds one of the situation with Bishop Williamson... I guess it's a case of "like Master like disciple."
We are not airing "dirty laundry". That is ridiculous. That implies it's a private matter to be kept out of the public eye. But Fr. Hewko's sermons are a public matter. He is publicly besmirching the good name and reputation of many good priests and bishops, for the sole reason that they won't submit to the "papacy" headquartered in Boston, KY. Every other "reason" they produce is baseless, ridiculous, and doesn't hold an ounce of water. The proof is in the case of priests like Fr. Voigt -- who was accepted as long as he submitted to Fr. Pfeiffer, but vilified the moment he left the cult. Fr. Voigt didn't change! It's only his submission to Fr. Pfeiffer that changed. If anyone can't see this, they are blind.
Attacking such nonsense, and calling out these priests for their wickedness and malice, is a meritorious act of charity, which shows love both for God and the souls He created. It shows a love of our neighbor, which is shown by defending the public good.
In other words, it is more perfect and more meritorious to step into the ring, "get your hands dirty" and try to defend the innocent, than to stay aloof from it all on the pretext of being "chawitable" (intentionally misspelled to be lispy and effiminate).
Such would be a misunderstanding of what true charity is.
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If you see a man run by and punch a victim out of the blue, is it "brawling" to get involved and try to defend the innocent person being attacked?
According to Happenby and others, apparently it would. Apparently we should all look the other way when the public good or our neighbor's welfare is at stake. We wouldn't want to get our hands dirty, or be accused of "brawling", "getting involved" or "infighting".
P.S. Happenby has an erroneous notion of charity and hate. Publicly admonishing a sinner for his public sin is an act of charity, not hate.
For example, I oppose ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs and sodomy. I oppose their whole agenda. But not because I'm a "hater", but because I know that they won't be saved if they continue on their path of darkness. Letting them run headlong into hell is NOT an act of charity, but an act of human respect and cowardice.
This line of thinking is one of the many errors in the Novus Ordo for crying out loud. Traditional Catholics of all people should know better!