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Offline Banezian

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Re: Fr. Hewko's statement
« Reply #15 on: January 14, 2019, 05:12:13 PM »
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    • Quote from: Incredulous on January 14, 2019, 12:01:52 AM

    And then where would he go ? :popcorn:
    He could abandon his pride and return to the Society which he left for no good reason
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    Re: Fr. Hewko's statement
    « Reply #16 on: January 14, 2019, 05:31:48 PM »
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    • Better off joining Bishop Zendejas than joining back with the Society, Banezian . The Society is on a full speed ahead return to Conciliar Rome Agenda ! They are getting ready to Consecrate two new Bishops. Conciliar Rome has given their approval. Around Conciliar Rome's " Divine Mercy Sunday " is when this is supposed to be done. I'd like to know if anyone heard an announcement of when an agreement was made between the Society and Rome . They ,the Society acts like its old home week with Conciliar Rome, N.O. priests witnessing weddings of society laity. Confessions are now legitimate, We are even permitted two Bishops. What further evidence needed to see the Society has been accepted back into Counciliar Rome's bosom, no strings attached ??
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    Re: Fr. Hewko's statement
    « Reply #17 on: January 14, 2019, 05:35:56 PM »
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    • Quote from: cosmas on January 14, 2019, 05:31:48 PM
    Better off joining Bishop Zendejas than joining back with the Society, Banezian . The Society is on a full speed ahead return to Conciliar Rome Agenda ! They are getting ready to Consecrate two new Bishops. Conciliar Rome has given their approval. Around Conciliar Rome's " Divine Mercy Sunday " is when this is supposed to be done. I'd like to know if anyone heard an announcement of when an agreement was made between the Society and Rome . They ,the Society acts like its old home week with Conciliar Rome, N.O. priests witnessing weddings of society laity. Confessions are now legitimate, We are even permitted two Bishops. What further evidence needed to see the Society has been accepted back into Counciliar Rome's bosom, no strings attached ??
    The 2 bishops claim is all  gossip with zero evidence. If Rome accepts the Society and allows it to govern itself, no harm done.
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    Re: Fr. Hewko's statement
    « Reply #18 on: January 14, 2019, 05:50:36 PM »
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    • Please pray that Fr Poisson will follow Fr Hewko's lead and get the heck out of there. Fr Poisson is also a fine priest being led astray by Fr Pfeiffer and "Bishop" Moran.
    Our Lady of Sorrows please intercede for your beloved sons and reveal Heaven's path for these good Priests.
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    Re: Fr. Hewko's statement
    « Reply #19 on: January 14, 2019, 06:03:35 PM »
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    • Maybe he could take a year off for prayer, penance, and discernment under the charge of Bp. Zendejas, and possibly work with him?  For all his talk of martyrdom, he has proven himself weak in action.  Without revealing any specific faults, Fr. Hewko has exercised, in my opinion, very poor judgement a number of times even in matters unrelated to faith.  Submitting to Fr. Pfeiffer as if to his superior, was most unwise.  Those who submit to Fr. Pfeiffer submit by default to Mr. Hernandez, whether they realize it or not.  OLMC is a grand illustration of the blind leading the blind.  Everyone who attaches himself to the place ends up in the ditch.  I sincerely hope and pray Fr. Hewko, like the prodigal son, comes to himself, climbs out of the mud, and returns to His Father and his Blessed Mother.  

    As for those pronouncing his vocation false, or asserting God no longer has a use for Fr. Hewko, I do hope they are prepared to accept the same terms of judgment from Our Lord.  Beware what you say about a priest.  Maybe if Fr. Hewko gets himself free, possibly, just maybe, Fr. Pfeiffer will swallow his pride and follow.  Wouldn't this be preferable to two priests falling victim to an amateur exorcist?  
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    Re: Fr. Hewko's statement
    « Reply #20 on: January 14, 2019, 06:50:07 PM »
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    • Quote from: Seraphina on January 14, 2019, 06:03:35 PM
    Maybe he could take a year off for prayer, penance, and discernment under the charge of Bp. Zendejas, and possibly work with him?  For all his talk of martyrdom, he has proven himself weak in action.  Without revealing any specific faults, Fr. Hewko has exercised, in my opinion, very poor judgement a number of times even in matters unrelated to faith.  Submitting to Fr. Pfeiffer as if to his superior, was most unwise.  Those who submit to Fr. Pfeiffer submit by default to Mr. Hernandez, whether they realize it or not.  OLMC is a grand illustration of the blind leading the blind.  Everyone who attaches himself to the place ends up in the ditch.  I sincerely hope and pray Fr. Hewko, like the prodigal son, comes to himself, climbs out of the mud, and returns to His Father and his Blessed Mother.  

    As for those pronouncing his vocation false, or asserting God no longer has a use for Fr. Hewko, I do hope they are prepared to accept the same terms of judgment from Our Lord.  Beware what you say about a priest.  Maybe if Fr. Hewko gets himself free, possibly, just maybe, Fr. Pfeiffer will swallow his pride and follow.  Wouldn't this be preferable to two priests falling victim to an amateur exorcist?  

    I openly wondered if he did, and that's based on his disastrous turn at Kentucky. Could he possibly have thrown it all down the drain the way he did if God truly wanted him to be a priest? It's a charitable question at this point, but it's not a pronouncement. Let me ask you why you seem so convinced? When you've answered that, you might explain how 3 years (and more with Pablo) of excusing this group of men who now have a reputation for taking advantage of people financially, sɛҳuąƖly, and spiritually with a man who can hardly be called a Catholic and a man who isn't even a priest for Heaven's sakes, did anyone any good? All under the "protective" watch of Fr. Pfeiffer and Fr. Hewko. If it cuts deep, it should because we should all have been hopping mad when it first went down. You don't have to be an NO or a pedophile in order to be a bad priest.

    Stop. Excusing. Bad. Priests.

    But just how bad are they really?

    Who is Pablo that they couldn't dismiss him? Who is Moran that they couldn't turn him away? And what obliges Fr. Hewko now that didn't oblige him years ago? How is it that traditionalists are committing the same exact mistakes that helped usher in the NO fifty-odd years ago? How is it an exaggeration to suggest that we are solidly in millstone territory? I am fully prepared to go to my God knowing that I was one of those people who did not remain silent and did everything in my rhetorical power the shake people out of this deadly complacency. I hope you can say the same thing too! In some cases the sheer arrogance people have displayed here with souls on the line is remarkable. Where's the shame, where's the utter embarrassment for supporting these priests' horrendous conduct?
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    Re: Fr. Hewko's statement
    « Reply #21 on: January 14, 2019, 06:54:29 PM »
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    • Quote from: Neil Obstat on January 14, 2019, 03:39:04 PM
    Funny you said that, cause Fr. Hewko did celebrate Mass at our Lady Help of Christians recently.  

    Msgr. Perez allowed him in under semi-emergency conditions, since he had no other place to say Mass ( so he said)

    Beware of Trojan Horses Msgr. Perez, because you don't understand the true Pablo/Pfeiffer agenda?
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    Fr. David Hewko's extended family attend Mass at St. Patrick's Mission in Northridge, CA on Sundays and holy days of obligation.
    I have no doubt that Msgr Perez would be most happy to assist him in finding his way ahead.
    There are thousands of people all over the world crying out loud for a priest.
    Msgr has been helpful for such matters many times in the past and I'm sure he will continue to do so in the future.
    He's effectively already doing the work of a bishop.
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    Don't miss Rad Trad Thomist's blog post, links to which which Msgr passed around this week:
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    Re: Fr. Hewko's statement
    « Reply #22 on: January 14, 2019, 07:16:26 PM »
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    •  :applause: :applause: :applause:

    Yeah, let's reassign him. Let's find a nice desperate group of people, they wouldn't dare complain! The problem will go away now. Nothing to see. Let's pretend it never happened. Let's lie and say he proved himself. But don't you ever and I mean ever insist that he  explain himself or answer for what he did. 

    Who said the Novus Ordo didn't teach us anything?  
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    Re: Fr. Hewko's statement
    « Reply #23 on: January 14, 2019, 07:30:08 PM »
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    • Croixalist, do you know Fr. Hewko?  Have you met him or attended his Masses?

    I understand your perspective from an objective point of view, but those who know him also filter their objective point of view through their subjective reasoning and have arrived at a different conclusion than you.  They still see much hope and redemption for Fr. Hewko.  

    This I believe, has nothing to do with a “Cult following” but rather with a fuller knowledge of who this priest is due to direct interaction with him.
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    Re: Fr. Hewko's statement
    « Reply #24 on: January 14, 2019, 07:32:13 PM »
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    • Quote from: Neil Obstat on January 14, 2019, 03:39:04 PM
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    Fr. David Hewko's extended family attend Mass at St. Patrick's Mission in Northridge, CA on Sundays and holy days of obligation.
    I have no doubt that Msgr Perez would be most happy to assist him in finding his way ahead.
    There are thousands of people all over the world crying out loud for a priest.
    Msgr has been helpful for such matters many times in the past and I'm sure he will continue to do so in the future.
    He's effectively already doing the work of a bishop.
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    Don't miss Rad Trad Thomist's blog post, links to which which Msgr passed around this week:
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    Perez, the same Perez who took in Colletti... https://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/M001-Colletti.htm

    A "Fr. Paul Alvarez" is currently working with Perez at his chapel in California, saying Mass there and preaching. 

    This may very well be the same "Fr. Paul Alvarez," who in 2016 was ordained (?) by Bishop (?) Joseph Macek (himself ordained/consecrated in Costa/Thuc lines through the Patrick Taylor/SVM ordination mill).

    http://www.ourladyhelpofchristians.us/sermon-for-the-15th-sunday-after-pentecost-september-2-2018-by-father-paul-alvarez
    http://www.chapeloftheholyfamily.org/uploads/7/6/7/1/7671717/hf-bulletin_11.6.16.pdf

    Incidentally, Macek is/was himself associated with Virgil Tetherow, another kettle of fish. 
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    Re: Fr. Hewko's statement
    « Reply #25 on: January 14, 2019, 08:18:08 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ekim on January 14, 2019, 07:30:08 PM
    Croixalist, do you know Fr. Hewko?  Have you met him or attended his Masses?

    I understand your perspective from an objective point of view, but those who know him also filter their objective point of view through their subjective reasoning and have arrived at a different conclusion than you.  They still see much hope and redemption for Fr. Hewko.  

    This I believe, has nothing to do with a “Cult following” but rather with a fuller knowledge of who this priest is.

    I have met him and attended his Mass while he was still with the SSPX. I sat in on one of his presentations on the Cristeros. I had no big problems with him at the time but hindsight is 20/20. When I say he was popular I mean he was more of a celebrity with devoted fans that in some cases turned out later to form rather unhealthy attachments to those in authority. The cult aspect is always present in larval form to some degree I guess. I'd suspect most traditionalist priests have to deal with that from time to time but he was a big deal in these parts back then. I didn't get to know him much at all but he certainly carried himself with a certain self assurance that surely I thought wouldn't have allowed for what was to come. I can only speculate as to why. It's still hard for me to imagine how someone like Fr. Pfeiffer could possibly have that much of a hold on him. Now it's hard for me to see the hold Fr. Hewko has on some people here. But all that doesn't really matter. What has been going on in Kentucky is evil, and Hewko was in the number 2 position, pure and simple.

    Certainly Fr. Pfeiffer has the most to answer for, but Fr. Hewko is right up there. I was waiting for this to happen back when Ambrose seemingly disappeared from the scene the first time, but even then it was incredibly negligent and a sacrilege to have Moran around for just one Mass. But again, Ambrose isn't the only problem and he definitely wasn't the first. Oh, and I somehow forgot the Tetherow association! I'm having a difficult time when people are so game to snatch Fr. Hewko back up after a prolonged period of public scandal like this. What fuller knowledge allows him to just dust himself off and be thrown back into yet another position of authority when he has so thoroughly debunked his own abilities in that regard?

    To sit on this powder keg situation for the better part of a decade now and assume there are no real consequences for it other than, "I'm just glad you're back on our side now!" falls flat to me. If anyone thinks that's actually good enough, well that's the Crisis for you... but it gets me really angry.
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    Re: Fr. Hewko's statement
    « Reply #26 on: January 14, 2019, 09:26:13 PM »
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    • Maybe Fr Chazal could use another good priest in the Philippines, or Fr McDonald in New Zealand? (After the bishops decide he is suitably deprogrammed, that is.)
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    Re: Fr. Hewko's statement
    « Reply #27 on: January 14, 2019, 10:52:20 PM »
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    • Remember, these priests that have been thrown out and left on their own have got to be going through personal crisis. Its like having your parents disown you. Physical security gone, Where will I live?, Where will I get food ? Possibly Fr. Hewko attached himself to long to Fr. Pfiffer's group. He possibly felt obligated to stay or had a time of it figuring out how to make a clean exit.
    Try to walk in his shoes. He's a good priest, i've heard him give sermons many times. He's very devout. A resistance priest would do well to take him in . All we can really do is pray for Fr. Pfiffer and his group and hope they come to their senses.
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    Re: Fr. Hewko's statement
    « Reply #28 on: January 14, 2019, 10:53:39 PM »
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    To sit on this powder keg situation for the better part of a decade now and assume there are no real consequences for it other than, "I'm just glad you're back on our side now!" falls flat to me. If anyone thinks that's actually good enough, well that's the Crisis for you... but it gets me really angry.
    I agree.  If the Church were operating normally, priests involved in such scandals (no matter their involvement) wouldn’t be allowed to publicly serve the laity.  It would cause too much confusion and distractions with rumors and heresay, etc.  

    Anyone who leaves Pfeifferville and is looking for redemption needs a long “time out” period under the supervision of a priest/bishop with integrity.  This is necessary, at the very least, from a PR standpoint.  At worst, someone needs to get to the bottom of what really happened at OLMC, to prevent the chaos from spreading.  
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    Re: Fr. Hewko's statement
    « Reply #29 on: January 14, 2019, 10:57:50 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on January 14, 2019, 10:53:39 PM
    I agree.  If the Church were operating normally, priests involved in such scandals (no matter their involvement) wouldn’t be allowed to publicly serve the laity.  It would cause too much confusion and distractions with rumors and heresay, etc.  

    Anyone who leaves Pfeifferville and is looking for redemption needs a long “time out” period under the supervision of a priest/bishop with integrity.  This is necessary, at the very least, from a PR standpoint.  At worst, someone needs to get to the bottom of what really happened at OLMC, to prevent the chaos from spreading.  

    That sums it up perfectly. Thank you!
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