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Offline Neil Obstat

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This topic sprang up in another thread today, and it seems to be a topic
all its own.  Therefore I'm starting its own thread here.



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Opening Post of Resistance Laymen Banned from SSPX Chapels in Germany
Quote from: Raphaela
I've just found a very good German Resistance blog run by a layman, Paul Schenker, who's been supporting Tradition by writing and publishing since the 1960's.  

http://poschenker.wordpress.com/

He links to the French website Avec l'Immaculee.

He gives an account of the banning by Fr. Schmidberger of two laymen from all the chapels in the German District of the the SSPX and from the church of St. Athanasius in Hattersheim which is affiliated to them. (I don't know how independent it is.):

http://poschenker.wordpress.com/2013/04/19/offener-brief-an-p-franz-schmidberger-bezuglich-seiner-kritik-an-den-schwestern-von-brilon-wald/

The laymen have been told by two priests of the XSPX that they will also refuse them Holy Communion outside of Mass, as to give it to them would be to evade "the punishment of Fr. Schmidberger". One of the laymen quotes from a letter from Fr. Schmidberger in which he is told that a reason for the ban is "the collection of signatures for an Open Letter" (supporting the Carmelites of Brilon Wald).

The Church of St. Athanasius, built by Fr. Hans Milch, the only parish priest in Germany to refuse to say the New Mass, is run by Actio Spes Unica and its website promotes the memory and writings of Fr. Hans Milch and Fr. Gregorius Hesse, two priests who would certainly be supporting the Resistance now. Their President says he wishes to distance the organisation from Bishop Williamson.

I'm surprised that a ban from entering the buildings is possible under German charity law.



 




Quote from: Neil Obstat
Quote from: Raphaela
I've just found a very good German Resistance blog run by a layman, Paul Schenker, who's been supporting Tradition by writing and publishing since the 1960's.  

http://poschenker.wordpress.com/

He links to the French website Avec l'Immaculee.

He gives an account of the banning by Fr. Schmidberger of two laymen from all the chapels in the German District of the the SSPX and from the church of St. Athanasius in Hattersheim which is affiliated to them. (I don't know how independent it is.):

http://poschenker.wordpress.com/2013/04/19/offener-brief-an-p-franz-schmidberger-bezuglich-seiner-kritik-an-den-schwestern-von-brilon-wald/

The laymen have been told by two priests of the XSPX that they will also refuse them Holy Communion outside of Mass, as to give it to them would be to evade "the punishment of Fr. Schmidberger". One of the laymen quotes from a letter from Fr. Schmidberger in which he is told that a reason for the ban is "the collection of signatures for an Open Letter" (supporting the Carmelites of Brilon Wald).




You can see how important losing the Carmel of Brilon Wald has been
because of the vengefulness it evokes in the Menzingen-denizens.



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The Church of St. Athanasius, built by Fr. Hans Milch, the only parish priest in Germany to refuse to say the New Mass,




I am very interested in seeing a list of the priests who had the fortitude
to hold out against the Newmass.  I have never heard of this one.  Now,
I have to wonder, how is his name pronounced?  How can I speak it to
people without mispronouncing it?  



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is run by Actio Spes Unica and its website promotes the memory and writings of Fr. Hans Milch and Fr. Gregorius Hesse,




Now, I knew Canon Hesse, and I treasure the memory of giving him a
great joy that he took to his grave.  I reported to him that my godson
was converted to the Faith from protestantism by listening to his lectures,
and he told me that now he can take consolation that all his efforts have
not been in vain.  Those were his parting words to me, and the next I
heard of him was that he had died.

Was Fr. Hans Milch an influence on Fr. Gregorius Hesse?  



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two priests who would certainly be supporting the Resistance now. Their President says he wishes to distance the organisation from Bishop Williamson.




I highly doubt that Fr. Hesse would want to 'distance himself' from +W, and
by association, I figure the same would be true of Fr. Milch.  

This is sad news, that the president of Actio Spes Unica would have this
view of things, but it is sadly consistent with the spread of the unclean
spirit of Vat.II manifest in the acts of the Menzingen-denizens like Fr.
Schmidberger.

This is the kind of thing that +W is up against in his decision to consecrate
bishops.  It would be far less complicated if traditional groups who support
and commemorate heroes like Fr. Milch and Fr. Hesse would be more in step
with the program instead of inimical to it.  For as it is, consecrations might
be more of a wedge that divides rather than a balm of preservation.

The question he must weigh is, which direction is it going?  Are things on
the increase?  Is there more support for the Resistance?  Or is it fading,
and less support?  Would consecrations shatter the fragile vase that holds
the Faith of Catholics or would they guard it from the snares of the devil?



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I'm surprised that a ban from entering the buildings is possible under German charity law.

 




That's a good point.  Maybe there is another law that supersedes it, like
the one that says you can't incite racial unrest or whatever.

How would they enforce it?  Is there now a system like the police have
of mug shots of criminals, and every ExSPX chapel has a book with photos
of the people (and children?) who are VERBOTEN from entry, and a man
stands guard at every doorway with an iPad carrying the files to view???







Marion replied with a very helpful audio with his name pronounced:



Quote from: Marion
Quote from: Neil Obstat
 How can I speak it to people without mispronouncing it?  






Quote from: Raphaela
Quote from: Neil Obstat
I am very interested in seeing a list of the priests who had the fortitude
to hold out against the Newmass.  I have never heard of this one.  Now,
I have to wonder, how is his name pronounced?  How can I speak it to
people without mispronouncing it?

I think "Hans Milsh" would be the nearest.  

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Was Fr. Hans Milch an influence on Fr. Gregorius Hesse?

Very unlikely. Fr. Milch was murdered in 1987 at the age of 63 (by an Italian vagrant he was trying to help), when Fr. Hesse was still secretary to Cardinal Stickler.

There are many sermons, talks and writings by him, but nothing translated. Also many audio recordings on Youtube (under Hans Milch, Pfarrer Milch, Pfarrer Hans Milch), but only two with English subtitles:


"The Second Vatican Council Unmasked"

(6 parts - 78 min.)


"The Church and the Imminent Fall of Europe"

(3 parts - 35 min.)


He was a convert from Protestantism in an interesting way. He was in the German Army in Italy in 1944-45, was captured by the Americans and was then in a POW camp in France for 20 months. He was converted there by the French chaplain and received into the Church in the local parish church. As soon as he was freed he started training for the priesthood and was ordained in 1953.

He always worked in the Frankfurt area and from 1962 was parish priest of Hattersheim, a small town on the edge of Frankfurt. He managed to keep saying the traditional Mass in the parish church and was the only priest to do that. There were a handful of retired priests who continued to say the TLM at convent chapels and side altars, but even these were clamped down on by the German Bishops Conference in Lent 1976 and all stopped doing so. So from February to August 1976 Fr. Milch was the only priest saying the Traditional Mass in Germany. That August the SSPX opened a chapel in Munich, but with just one priest, Fr. Klaus Wodsack. (Fr. Schmidberger was teaching at the German-speaking house of studies in Switzerland.)

Fr. Wodsack had said his First Mass in Fr. Milch's church that July. Archbishop Lefebvre had also said a Pontifical High Mass there in April 1975, but Fr. Milch's bishop turned a blind eye until 1979, when he started more openly supporting Archbishop Lefebvre and he was then suspended.

He then built a new church in Hattersheim, St. Athanasius, and worked as an independent priest together with the SSPX, who have used the church since he died.        





Thanks to Raphaela for this.  Even if Canon Hesse did not know Fr. Milch
personally (which we still don't really know for certain, do we?) it is most
worthwhile thinking about how their spiritual outlook on the Mass and the
current state of the Church is practically indistinguishable.  

Furthermore, that there would be an organization set up to docuмent this
phenomenon is nice to hear, but that this very organization would be under
a corrupting influence that overturns the principles upon which it was
founded is most alarming and noteworthy -- it is in a sense a microcosm
of the ExSPX story behind the scenes, as it were!  



Quote from: Ethelred
Quote from: Raphaela
Fr. Milch was murdered in 1987 at the age of 63 (by an Italian vagrant he was trying to help)

If I remember correctly, this Italian vagrant was possessed. And brave Fr Milch did several (Latin) exorcism on him. Then, one day when Fr Milch thought the devil would finally be gone, he laid down arms so to speak. This was a deadly mistake, because at the next occasion the vagrant who was very likely still being possessed, killed the poor father: he or rather his demon crucified Fr Milch actually.
Later, when the police questioned the vagrant, he couldn't remember anything, which makes it very likely that indeed he was possessed when he or rather his demon murdered the father. Because possessed people don't remember what they did during a session, as a possession outbreak is being called sometimes.

Very moving story. I'm sure there's a detailed text somewhere on the Internet.
As moving as the apostolate of brave Fr Milch was. He would be turning in his grave if he knew that his independent chapel now follows the Neo-SSPX' joining Newrome and banning faithful Catholics.

Those staying faithful are really just the remnant of the remnant (of the remnant)...




Quote from: Raphaela
Quote from: Raphaela

"The Church and the Imminent Fall of Europe"

(3 parts - 35 min.)



In this video, the sermon starts at 3:40. The beginning is Fr. Milch talking about the recent death of his 90-year-old mother whom he had converted, which isn't translated. The "subtitles" for that bit are an apparently sedevacantist introduction to Fr. Milch (he was never a SV himself).





Quote from: Raphaela
Quote from: Ethelred
he or rather his demon crucified Fr Milch actually.

There's a detailed description of his murder in his two-volume biography which the German District recently published. I ordered a copy - 1730+ pages!! (Mostly sermons and writings.) But I don't know how long it will be for sale. Fr. Milch was always 100% against any "deal" with Rome and spoke and wrote against it very forcefully throughout the 1980's. He gives very thorough reasons. He said conservative and pseudo-traditionalist Catholics were the worst enemies of the Church. I'll try and translate some more of what he said. Give me a day or two!

Fr. Milch wasn't actually crucified, but it was clearly a ritual murder. He'd been having a meal with the man in his appartment in Wiesbaden and the man killed him by stabbing him in the head, then drove a wooden stake into his chest. It turned out that the man, who'd recently tried to perform an exorcism, believed himself to be Moses and had wanted Fr. Milch to declare the Pope deposed. The wooden stake, he believed, was Moses' staff which he'd found 4000 years later in the River Main.






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    Perhaps the most striking aspect of this alarming story is how it
    ended -- that is, how his temporal life ended (the story apparently is
    still going on, though) -- with the devil attempting to extinguish the
    very spirit of Resistance in Germany!!  

    And it happened in a way that ought to be most noteworthy to us,
    for this subject is near and dear to the heart of this forum's owner,
    Matthew.  

    The man who murdered Fr. Milch was allegedly possessed by the
    devil and Fr. Milch had been doing -- get this, not AN exorcism but
    -- EXORCISMS on him, and having reached the point where he had
    thought his efforts had been successful, Fr. 'laid down his arms'
    not unlike the Cristeros in Mexico did that fateful day.  

    Now, this is not a layman doing "amateur exorcisms."  This is a good
    and traditional priest doing exorcisms, and then trying to help out
    his friend -- who was the man who had been possessed -- in all
    Christian charity and common decency, when the devil saw his
    opportunity and struck him from the blind side.

    This is not just any priest, either, but THE ONLY PRIEST
    IN ALL OF GERMANY at the time to be entirely devoted to offering only
    the CTLM, which the devil most obviously HATED and proved his hate
    by this action.

    And this is not just ANY COUNTRY, either, but none other
    than Germany, the one where +W has met up with the 'LAST STRAW'
    situation regarding his court entanglement that seems to have been
    planned out years in advance by the nefarious emissary of the same
    devil that possessed the murderer of Fr. Milch, B. Fellay.


    This topic is HUGE.




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