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Traditional Catholic Faith => SSPX Resistance News => Topic started by: wallflower on March 21, 2013, 08:07:55 PM
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Also reportedly expelled for refusing to be silenced. Is there anyone who knows firsthand who can confirm?
If you know how to contact him, please PM me.
Same with Fr Doran if anyone has heard anything yet.
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Also reportedly expelled for refusing to be silenced. Is there anyone who knows firsthand who can confirm?
If you know how to contact him, please PM me.
Same with Fr Doran if anyone has heard anything yet.
What is the source of your information that Fr Girouard has been expelled?
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It is only hearsay from (what I consider to be) a trustworthy source. But they are not firsthand and neither am I. I am hoping someone from his parish posts or lurks and doesn't mind weighing in. I remember his youtube sermon from last spring but hadn't heard anything from him since.
Perhaps some of these priests don't wish to have anything known publicly. I understand and respect that. My only concern is to be sure they have support.
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It is only hearsay from (what I consider to be) a trustworthy source. But they are not firsthand and neither am I. I am hoping someone from his parish posts or lurks and doesn't mind weighing in. I remember his youtube sermon from last spring but hadn't heard anything from him since.
Perhaps some of these priests don't wish to have anything known publicly. I understand and respect that. My only concern is to be sure they have support.
Right.
I remember he gave that sermon, only to announce the following week that he would not be commenting on the matter further (ie., someone in authority had a little talk with him).
If it is true that he is getting stronger again, that would be great news.
Another priest in North America.
Would be great if someone could confirm or dispel.
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Father G has spoken out recently this month against the leaked doctrinal preamble and a parishioner told Fr Superior. :facepalm: father has been disciplined, but not expelled. He was forced to leave his parishioners in Vancouver.
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So perhaps him being forced to leave the parish was misconstrued as being expelled. Expulsion is probably not off the table yet though, I suppose it depends on whatever happens next in the "disciplinary" process.
It is hard to hear of good priests getting this treatment for being faithful sons of Abp Lefebvre, but it also kindles the hope that silenced/silent priests are simply biding their time. We will pray for his fortitude through whatever he is enduring now.
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Do we know if Father Girouard has gone back home to Quebec for the interim?
As I posted elsewhere, I lived, worked and served under Father Girouard whilst he was posted in Winnipeg. It would be good to have his contact information again, now that he got the boot from Abbotsford (Vancouver suburb).
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Fr Wegner probably wants to watch him very closely like a hawk, so that he cannot speak out again. He is going to the district house. Fr W wants to silent him like Fr Fox. :fryingpan:
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Fr. G going to St. Cesaire? Based on what I know of Fr. G and Fr. Wegner, I will not be surprised if Fr G either is expelled, or leaves of his own accord.
It is times like this that I really wish I was chest high in the lucre, in order to adequately support these brave resistance clerics of whom we are "confederate" :wink:
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Fr Wegner probably wants to watch him very closely like a hawk, so that he cannot speak out again. He is going to the district house. Fr W wants to silent him like Fr Fox. :fryingpan:
maybe Fr W is making more room in the attic. :sad:
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If you have the contact information for these priests, contact them. Let them know you fully support them. Offer them a place to stay. Give them Fr. Pfeiffer's contact information. The preamble has given them a lot of food for thought. They need to know they are supported by the Faithful. God can never be outdone! During Lent the weight of our sins doubles; during Lent the amount of our almsgiving doubles. Which one would you like a return on? A catechism given by a priest.
Pray the 41 outspoken priests will stand up for Tradition and perservere.
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If you have the contact information for these priests, contact them. Let them know you fully support them. Offer them a place to stay. Give them Fr. Pfeiffer's contact information. The preamble has given them a lot of food for thought. They need to know they are supported by the Faithful. God can never be outdone! During Lent the weight of our sins doubles; during Lent the amount of our almsgiving doubles. Which one would you like a return on? A catechism given by a priest.
Pray the 41 outspoken priests will stand up for Tradition and perservere.
Possibly, Fr. Girouard might be welcomed to Texas?
(I heard they're certainly in need of one) :wink:
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If you have the contact information for these priests, contact them. Let them know you fully support them. Offer them a place to stay. Give them Fr. Pfeiffer's contact information. The preamble has given them a lot of food for thought. They need to know they are supported by the Faithful. God can never be outdone! During Lent the weight of our sins doubles; during Lent the amount of our almsgiving doubles. Which one would you like a return on? A catechism given by a priest.
Pray the 41 outspoken priests will stand up for Tradition and perservere.
Possibly, Fr. Girouard might be welcomed to Texas?
(I heard they're certainly in need of one) :wink:
Sorry, I think the resistance here in Canada will be wanting him. We have no
resistance priests! Fr. G. is Canadian and there are therefore no worries about immigration issues, health care costs, etc. :scratchchin:
Texas can have the next one. I am confident God is working on a number of the silent priests. :pray:
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Fr. Girouard was recalled to St. Cesaire. However, he hasn't shown up yet, and they're not sure if he will.
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As of today he's 3 days overdue.
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We have no
resistance priests!
Not sure if these are anywhere close to you, but thought I'd post a link here just in case you haven't seen it:
http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Upcoming-Mass-Schedule-for-Canada-thru-April-7th
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Does anyone know where Fr Girouard is presently?
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Would you please join me in praying for the safety of Father G? Driving across freezing cold Canada to St. Cesaire in March is still a dangerous endeavour. Hopefully he didn't get into any accident..
there is not much news about Fr. G so far. Let's pray for him.
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It is clear that we will know more very soon.
http://lefebvristes.forum-box.com/t1556-L-abb-Girouard-serait-il-le-38-me-La-r-sistance-au-ralliement-et-aux-d-rives-lib-rales-s-intensifie.htm
As they say, he will be well received in Toronto if Langley does not support him.
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My comments assumes (hopes) he will join the Resistance. The Resistance needs more priests.
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It is clear that we will know more very soon.
http://lefebvristes.forum-box.com/t1556-L-abb-Girouard-serait-il-le-38-me-La-r-sistance-au-ralliement-et-aux-d-rives-lib-rales-s-intensifie.htm
As they say, he will be well received in Toronto if Langley does not support him.
Below is a quote from that link above:
10th of march : High Mass, during the announcements he decided to warn everyone by deliverin the last news: german Carmel, Dom Raphael being expulsed, letter from the 37. He decided then to publicly mention his support, explaining a few elements of his critical text. He went on mentioning that Langley was an exception as a parish, truth being here fully told, since Menzigen uses guillotine to cut the heads (of the courageous priests and bishop refusing Menzingen changing its position). He ended explaining to be ready to pay a high price for explaining what was expected to remain untold, as he refused to loose his soul being a complicit in this silence-operation.
13rd of march : He received a call from abbot Wegner (Canadian district superior) requiring him leaving his parish, as he was transfered to St Cesaire headquarters (4500 km far), (28thof march as a deadline). There, he’ll be under scrutiny, silence and obedience required as soon as possible. A priest from Post Falls (USA) was announced to replace him for next high-Mass (17th of march).
Considering how Fr. G warned the faithful during the March 10th sermon and how "he refused to loose his soul being a complicit in this silence-operation", why doesn't Fr. just leave the Society instead of allowing himself to be following through with this exile?
I'm just trying to figure out what the reasons or any other circuмstances that may be influencing Fr.'s decision to obey his superiors?
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I think the SSPX superiors are following the same M.O. for laymen as well as priests: Make their life unbearable, a living hell, so as to make them quit. Then they're a quitter.
And let's not forget who the Priests are. They are leaders; they are our shepherds. What shepherd could place himself under "obedience" to someone in error and sit out while the battle is raging? Most wouldn't be able to -- and the SSPX superiors know this.
There are only two ways the torture will end: either he will compromise himself, or he'll get fed up and leave.
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I think the SSPX superiors are following the same M.O. for laymen as well as priests: Make their life unbearable, a living hell, so as to make them quit. Then they're a quitter.
The priests who engage in this type of action use this tactic for slander and will have to account for their scandalous actions before almighty God. May he have mercy on their souls...
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Father Girouard will not capitulate, under ordinary circuмstances. I doubt he would even under extraordinary circuмstances.
Fr G saw the writing on the wall a long time ago, and what is happening is the culmination of the SSPX's untergang.
And those fellow poor souls like bearself in Canuckistan, have you noticed that the district has not produced its (Lack of) Convictions magazine for a few years now?
I can speculate where Fr G might end up, but things may have changed since we spoke last.
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http://www.therecusant.com/apps/blog/show/25104079-news-from-fr-girouard
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Wow, what a sermon! :boxer:
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Many of the parishioners are disappointed that the prior Fr. Gerspacher of Langley did not even announce Fr. Girouard's transfer on Palm Sunday!!
Also he didn't come down to the basement for coffee afterwards, which he have been doing every Sunday.
How I wish that he becomes the fighter that his dad was! (dad was a long time parishioner here). :applause:
Fr. G, I pray you that you will speak against the doctrinal preamble. :pray:
Sit autem sermo vester est est non non quod autem his abundantius est a malo est.
(St Matthew 5:37)
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http://aveclimmaculee.blogspot.fr/2013/03/m-labbe-girouard-m-labbe-fox-m-labbe.html
Hopefully the Recusant is hard at work.
Beautiful job.
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http://aveclimmaculee.blogspot.fr/2013/03/m-labbe-girouard-m-labbe-fox-m-labbe.html
Hopefully the Recusant is hard at work.
Beautiful job.
Wow! wow! wow! Oh boy, that was magnificent! Brilliantly done! That's what all of the resistance laity should be encouraging their local priests to do: Speak up boldly cost what it may! Heck with the silence and the false idea of offering oneself as sacrifice in this moment of suffering when in reality they're all acting as cowards.
A little taste of it with a rough translation:
"Saving the SSPX it isn't saving a legal structure whose head is already rallied, but to keep going it alive in the spirit of its founder. Before being a structure, the SSPX is primarily a vocation and a particular mission. Leaving the SSPX is not abandoning the Fraternity. It is instead to free oneself to fully continue the work of Archbishop Lefebvre".
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Q. But if we leave, we leave all the real estate that the faithful have paid in the sweat of their brow, isn't this outrageous?
Yes, it is true that this is grossly unfair that the faithful will suffer and it is a scandal on Menzingen's part. But let us put this drama in light of principle and foundation . Why generous faithful have done this? To do the will of God, for His glory and for the salvation of souls. These generous faithful lose nothing in eternity, God will multiply everything they've given. They don't lose those good deeds, and they are not lost either for all the souls that they have helped save.
In contrast, if one is forbidden to preach the whole truth to keep building and property, we lose sight of what the consequence of the principle and foundation is: all the goods of the earth are only means that helps us to go to heaven. If this is true, to keep the enjoyment of material goods, which are only means, it's not well ordained if you jeopardize the salvation of souls: the physical property becomes an end and is no longer considered as a means. This is a wrong point of view: we do not see things as God sees them, that is to say, as to be used only as a means of salvation, but to never become an end in themselves.
Can't wait for the full translation; meanwhile let's pray so more priests can be faithful to their vocations and their anti-modernist oath; not accepting the sanctions from the Stalin of Menzingen for the simple fact of telling the truth.
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(http://drsvenkatesan.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/aspirin-for-primary-prevention-clopidogrel-meta-analysis.jpg)
Anyone?
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Just order one for Fr. Wegner!
I am sure we will see more.
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Father Wegner will need something a lot stronger than aspirin or acetaminophen, ibuprofen or naproxen sodium.
My only question is (once again/autre fois) Fr G gets the boot.
As to where he will end up, I will put two drachma on Alaska. I recall Father G really enjoying that particular mission.
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http://lefebvristes.forum-box.com/t1557-DECLARATION-Aux-membres-de-la-FSSPX-aux-communautes-et-fideles-par-l-abbe-Patrick-Girouard.htm
The Resistance has a new priest.
Happy Easter!
I hope he comes to Toronto.
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:applause:
Langley now has a resistance priest that can serve the local faithful!
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http://lefebvristes.forum-box.com/t1557-DECLARATION-Aux-membres-de-la-FSSPX-aux-communautes-et-fideles-par-l-abbe-Patrick-Girouard.htm
The Resistance has a new priest.
Happy Easter!
I hope he comes to Toronto.
Deo gratias!
God bless Fr. Girouard!
I know Google Translate is not the best, but hopefully this is helpful for now:
DECLARATION
members of the Society of St. Pius X
Communities and the faithful friends of Tradition
Posted on March 28, 2013
On Holy Thursday, March 28, 2013
Dear brothers and sisters in Christ the King
On this day when the Holy Church commemorates the institution of the grand manner Holy Sacrifice of the Mass and the sacrament of Holy Orders, I take this opportunity to inform you of my decision to place outside the formal structure of the Fraternity. My intention is not to leave, or the vilification. She is victim of a company that aims to bring under the power of the Conciliar Church, despite repeated warnings of its founder, Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre.
Following my sermons and interventions against a rallying my district superior, Father Jürgen Wegner, I was transferred to the Priory of Langley (near Vancouver) at district headquarters (St-Césaire, near Montreal) with the avowed intention of me "closely monitor". He also said that I could not criticize superiors. In his letter to priests Canadians about his decision, he attacked not only my public statements, but also to my emails and conversations private, shared with the faithful. It is therefore clear that offered me in exchange for my silence in public and in private, to keep me in the Brotherhood, and thus ensure my physical safety. This would be neither more nor less than a form of spiritual prostitution. Now I have a soul, and I want to save it. I can not do that by accepting this market because, as the saying goes: "Who says nothing, agrees." This is basically why I see a moral obligation to refuse the transfer. This is the only way for me to continue to work to achieve the real goal of the Brotherhood, which is not converted modernist Rome, but to preserve and transmit the true Mass and the true priesthood. So I placed in the hands of Providence, convinced that Our Lord will take good care of her priest.
Much has been written on the subject of an agreement "purely practical" with Rome. Suffice it to say that I fully endorse the statements and studies by other colleagues who are opposed to this new orientation of the Brotherhood. I will not repeat them here. I would, however, like to share some personal reflections on the three aspects of the crisis of the Brotherhood:
1.the authorities Brotherhood want to justify the abandonment of the resolution of the General Chapter of 2006 ("Disagree practice without conversion of Rome"), saying that the situation is not the same today. They would have us believe that many new bishops, priests, and seminarians are no longer interested in Vatican II and the Mass and prefer traditional theology. But it is unable to produce a serious and independent study that would demonstrate. We do not ask us to accept less than what Lefebvre termed "Operation ѕυιcιdє." The General Chapter of 2012, far from correcting the shooting did not qu'envelopper "conditions" cosmetics this shift. The only condition that mattered, the conversion of Rome was indeed abandoned. In addition, this chapter was the opportunity of a reversal of the power relationship between bishops: April 7, 2012, we had, on one side, three bishops against an agreement "practical" and the other, Bishop Fellay isolated one, it was found, on 14 July, with three bishops in favor of such an agreement against a Williamson ostracized, who had also been excluded from the said Chapter. The final statement about the unit reported actually found the end of the recreation for all "refractory". Now, from 15 July 2012, all opposition vis-à-vis a purely practical agreement, any criticism of the authorities of the Society on this subject, became a crime against the Brotherhood itself. It was instituted by the law of silence. The rest is history. This law of silence is so strong that Menzingen does not even bother to respond to the arguments and accusations, we simply demonize opponents as merely vulgar rebels and subversive! Exit SE Williamson, and two dozen priests!
2.the secret docuмents HE Bishop Fellay (letter of 14 April 2012 the three other bishops Preamble same day), which were published in spite of himself, allowed us to understand the extent to which frequent intercourse with Rome current are dangerous. If such contacts have changed, even before the signing of an agreement, the Superior General, his assistants, and, by extension, other Superiors, what would happen to simple priests and faithful when would officially legally, permanently under the control of the Roman authorities? One has only to see how far Menzingen already persecuting those who oppose this new direction, while we still enjoy a degree of independence vis-à-vis Rome, to understand how far we will once under the authority of the Conciliar Church!
3.Recemment, we also wanted us to accept the theory that the term "Conciliar Church" does not mean a separate institution of the Catholic Church, but rather a "trend" within it (see DICI, study m. Gleize Abbot). The logical consequence of this theory would be that the traditionalist movement should return to the formal structure of the Church, to fight from within the "trendy" and thus to triumph conciliar tradition. That is why we often hear authorities say that the Brotherhood must "support the Catholic Church to reclaim its Tradition." Now, on the one hand, the Catholic Church, without his tradition, could not exist, it would be the Catholic Church. And, secondly, we can no longer speak of "trend" when liberal ideas and Masonic Vatican are "institutionalized" through reforms covering all aspects of the life of the Church: Liturgy Catechism, Ritual, Bible, ecclesiastical tribunals, Higher Education, Magisterium, and especially Canon Law. So we have a structure, an institution different from the Catholic Church. If this were the case, we would members! But it is not us who have left the Catholic Church, they, even if they were able to take control of the formal structure. Regarding the place of the Pope in all this, it must be admitted that there is a mystery, a mystery of iniquity. It remains that we are in the presence of two separate institutions: The Catholic Church founded by Our Lord and the Conciliar Church, which was instigated in no doubt, Lucifer.
These are just three small thoughts, but I believe they can shed some light on some aspects of the debate. Now that I've become totally free to speak, you can count on, dear brothers and sisters in Christ the King, on my regular contribution to websites growing movement of opposition to the Rally, a movement that deserves the name, I think, Catholic resistance.
Pray for thy servant, as I pray for you.
Father Patrick Girouard, SSPX
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Yahoo!!! God bless this brave Cristero! I have been praying for more priests to help Fr. Pfeiffer & the unwavering priests of the resistance. Keep praying & sacrificing!
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Yahoo!!! God bless this brave Cristero! I have been praying for more priests to help Fr. Pfeiffer & the unwavering priests of the resistance. Keep praying & sacrificing!
Good to see you back Zorayda!
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DECLARATION
to
Members of the Society of St. Pius X,
Affiliated Communities
&
Faithful of Tradition.
French: http://www.lasapiniere.info/declaration-aux-membres-de-la-fraternite-st-pie-x/
Holy Thursday, 28th March, 2013
Dear brothers and sisters in Christ the King,
On this day when the Holy Church solemnly commemorates the institution of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass and the sacrament of Holy Orders, I take this opportunity to inform you of my decision to place myself outside the official structure of the Society. My intention is neither to abandon nor to vilify it. The Society is victim of an enterprise that aims to bring it under the power of the Conciliar Church, despite repeated warnings of its founder, Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre.
Following my sermons and interventions against a rallying, my district superior, Fr. Jürgen Wegner, transferred me from the Priory of Langley (near Vancouver) to District Headquarters (St-Césaire, near Montreal) with the expressed intention of "closely monitoring" me. He also said that I could no longer criticise the superiors. In his letter to Canadian priests regarding his decision, he attacked not only my public statements, but also my emails and private conversations with the faithful. It is clear that I was being offered to exchange the material welfare of remaining in the Society for my silence in public and in private. This would be no more no less than a form of spiritual prostitution. But I have a soul, and I want to save it. I cannot do that by accepting this deal because, as the saying goes: “silence is tantamount to consent.” This is basically why I see it as a moral obligation to refuse the transfer. This is the only way for me to continue to work towards achieving the true goal of the Society, which is not to convert modernist Rome, but to preserve and transmit the true Mass and the true priesthood. So I put myself in the hands of Providence, convinced that Our Lord will take good care of His priest.
Much has been written on the subject of a "purely practical" agreement with Rome. Suffice to say that I fully endorse the statements and studies by other colleagues who are opposed to this new orientation of the Society. I shan’t repeat them here. I would, however, like to share some personal reflections on the three aspects of the crisis of the Society:
1. Society authorities want to justify the abandonment of the resolution of the General Chapter of 2006 ("No practical agreement without conversion of Rome"), by saying that the situation is not the same today. They would have us believe that many new bishops, priests, and seminarians are no longer interested in Vatican II and prefer the traditional Mass and theology. Yet they are unable to produce a serious and independent study to demonstrate this. We are being asked no less than to accept what Archbishop Lefebvre termed "Operation ѕυιcιdє." The General Chapter of 2012, far from correcting this change of direction only wrapped it up in cosmetic "conditions". The only condition that mattered, the conversion of Rome, was abandoned. In addition, this chapter occasioned a reversal of the balance of strength between bishops: From the 7th April 2012 when we had on one side three bishops against a "practical" agreement and on the other, an isolated Bishop Fellay, we found ourselves on the 14th July, with three bishops in favor of such an agreement against an ostracised Bishop Williamson, who had moreover been excluded from the said Chapter. The final statement about the newfound unity actually signalled the end of a period of grace for all "resisters". Henceforth, from 15th July 2012, all opposition vis-à-vis a purely practical agreement, any criticism of the authorities of the Society on this subject, became a crime against the Society itself. A law of silence was instituted. The rest is history. This law of silence is so powerful that Menzingen doesn’t even bother to respond to the arguments and accusations; opponents are simply demonised as vulgar rebels of subversive deeds! Exit H.E. Bishop Williamson and a score of priests!
2. H.E. Bishop Fellay’s secret docuмents (14th April 2012 letter to the three other bishops, Preamble the following day), which were published unofficially, allowed us to understand the extent to which frequent relations with today’s Rome are dangerous. If even before the signing of an agreement such contacts have changed the Superior General, his assistants, and, by extension, other Superiors, what would happen to simple priests and faithful when they would be officially, legally, permanently under the control of the Roman authorities? One has only to see how Menzingen already persecutes those who oppose this new direction even while we still enjoy a degree of independence vis-à-vis Rome, to understand how far they will go once under the authority of the conciliar Church!
3. Recently, it was asked of us to accept the theory that the term "conciliar Church" does not mean a separate institution of the Catholic Church, but rather a "movement" within it (cf. Fr.Gleize in DICI: http://www.dici.org/en/docuмents/can-one-speak-of-the-conciliar-church/). The logical consequence of this theory would be that the traditionalist movement should return to the formal structure of the Church, to fight from within the conciliar "movement" and thus help Tradition triumph. It is why we often hear SSPX authorities say that the Society must "help the Catholic Church to reclaim her Tradition." Now, on one hand, the Catholic Church, without her Tradition, could not exist, it would no longer be the Catholic Church. Furthermore, one can no longer speak of a mere "movement" when the liberal and Masonic ideas of Vatican II have been "institutionalised" by reforms covering all aspects of Church life: Liturgy, Catechism, Ritual, Bible, Ecclesiastical Tribunals, Higher Education, Magisterium and, above all, Canon Law. We are confronted with a structure, an institution which is different to the Catholic Church. If it weren’t the case, we would be members! But it is not us who have left the Catholic Church, they have, even if they managed to take control of the official structure. Concerning the role of the Pope in all this, it has to be admitted that therein lies a mystery, a mystery of iniquity. Nonetheless, it stands that we are in the presence of two separate institutions: The Catholic Church founded by Our Lord and the conciliar Church, instigated, let there be no doubt, by Lucifer.
These are just three small reflections, but I believe they can shed some light on some aspects of the debate. Now that I have become totally free to speak, you can count, dear brothers and sisters in Christ the King, on my regular contribution to the websites of the growing movement of opposition to the Ralliement, a movement that I believe deserves the name Catholic Resistance.
Pray for thy servant, as I pray for you.
Father Patrick Girouard, SSPX
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Forgot to mention that the translation above was taken from The Recusant.
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Father Wegner comments.
http://www.sspx.ca/2013-03-28_Communique.pdf
noted by Judith on Ignis Ardens.
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I pray for the Langley faithful who is in charge of the sspx.ca website, and I pray that the seminarian from the same family would enter Major Order real soon! The Society certainly needs "obedient" son.
:rahrah:
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:applause:
Langley now has a resistance priest that can serve the local faithful!
Do you know he's staying in Langley or are you hoping?
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Forgot to mention that the translation above was taken from The Recusant.
You also forgot to mention Fr. Girouard is a "catastroph seeker, a priest with a horse in this race, a coward giving up the fight -- abandoning the ship", and most importantly a "RED lighter".
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Fr G is not a red lighter. He told the Langley faithful that it is ok for now to attend the local SSPX Chapel.
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@ Wallflower -- Well, as you see from the Recusant article, most of the faithful (I will say even more than 50%, perhaps, 75%) are with Fr G.
At this time, we hope that Fr G would still be here. I know that he will not abandon us.
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Fr G is not a red lighter. He told the Langley faithful that it is ok for now to attend the local SSPX Chapel.
How he is going to manage people who ask him if they should still attend SSPX Chapels is a different story that does change the fact he himself is a red lighter.
But I'm afraid the best form of teaching is by example.
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@ Wallflower -- Well, as you see from the Recusant article, most of the faithful (I will say even more than 50%, perhaps, 75%) are with Fr G.
At this time, we hope that Fr G would still be here. I know that he will not abandon us.
Ok, thank you! I hope so too for your sake :) If there is a ready-made parish, he might as well stay!
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Fr G is not a red lighter. He told the Langley faithful that it is ok for now to attend the local SSPX Chapel.
How he is going to manage people who ask him if they should still attend SSPX Chapels is a different story that does change the fact he himself is a red lighter.
But I'm afraid the best form of teaching is by example.
Yes, I think there is a difference between what he does as a priest and where laypersons stand with regards to reception of the sacraments.
It is the responsibility of the priests to stand up strongly against the new orientation but at the same time laypersons can't be going nilly-willy without the sacraments. If they have a resistance chapel nearby, then by all means attend. If they do not, then it gets a bit more complicated.
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Forgot to mention that the translation above was taken from The Recusant.
You also forgot to mention Fr. Girouard is a "catastroph seeker, a priest with a horse in this race, a coward giving up the fight -- abandoning the ship", and most importantly a "RED lighter".
Idiot.
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Is Fr. Girouard Canadian by birth?
Marsha
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Is Fr. Girouard Canadian by birth?
Marsha
Father Girouard comes from an old Acadian French family from Québec.
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Forgot to mention that the translation above was taken from The Recusant.
You also forgot to mention Fr. Girouard is a "catastroph seeker, a priest with a horse in this race, a coward giving up the fight -- abandoning the ship", and most importantly a "RED lighter".
Why would you, dear soul,choose such s name as Lourdes and Fatima , and then so absolutely reject everything They stood for ? Fr , Girouard is far from a catastrophe seeker-- nor is he The image of a coward. A coward sits comfortably in their pew , knowing that their leaders are watering down the faith and slowly brainwashing their charges to accept modernism -- yet refuse to speak out and correct their errant priests-- or even alert the faithful.
By your presence on these kinds of sites, you will not be able to proclaim" Bishop Fellay tricked me", as Fellay tried to charge against Rstzinger.
You have had the opportunity to see clearly the arguments and the facts that Fellay and Rostand have so mightily tried to keep from you. That you cannot recognize the truth is sad. Pray that you get the grace to do so-- soon!
Nor is (http://Http://www.sossaveoursspx.com)Father a catastrophe seeker. I seem to recall he made a major effort to warn the powers that be over a year ago:that if they didn't change course, they would be creating a catastrophe!
Www. Sossaveoursspx.com
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Forgot to mention that the translation above was taken from The Recusant.
You also forgot to mention Fr. Girouard is a "catastroph seeker, a priest with a horse in this race, a coward giving up the fight -- abandoning the ship", and most importantly a "RED lighter".
Why would you, dear soul,choose such s name as Lourdes and Fatima , and then so absolutely reject everything They stood for ? Fr , Girouard is far from a catastrophe seeker-- nor is he The image of a coward. A coward sits comfortably in their pew , knowing that their leaders are watering down the faith and slowly brainwashing their charges to accept modernism -- yet refuse to speak out and correct their errant priests-- or even alert the faithful.
By your presence on these kinds of sites, you will not be able to proclaim" Bishop Fellay tricked me", as Fellay tried to charge against Rstzinger.
You have had the opportunity to see clearly the arguments and the facts that Fellay and Rostand have so mightily tried to keep from you. That you cannot recognize the truth is sad. Pray that you get the grace to do so-- soon!
Nor is (http://Http://www.sossaveoursspx.com)Father a catastrophe seeker. I seem to recall he made a major effort to warn the powers that be over a year ago:that if they didn't change course, they would be creating a catastrophe!
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I agree with you 100%. I was just quoting some names Seraphim used to call those who "abandon" the ship or realizes the yellow light has turned red for their own selves as far as neo-SSPX goes.
Thanks for the prayers though, I can definitely use them. :wink:
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http://aveclimmaculee.blogspot.fr/2013/03/m-labbe-girouard-m-labbe-fox-m-labbe.html
Hopefully the Recusant is hard at work.
Beautiful job.
Wow! wow! wow! Oh boy, that was magnificent! Brilliantly done! That's what all of the resistance laity should be encouraging their local priests to do: Speak up boldly cost what it may! Heck with the silence and the false idea of offering oneself as sacrifice in this moment of suffering when in reality they're all acting as cowards.
A little taste of it with a rough translation:
"Saving the SSPX it isn't saving a legal structure whose head is already rallied, but to keep going it alive in the spirit of its founder. Before being a structure, the SSPX is primarily a vocation and a particular mission. Leaving the SSPX is not abandoning the Fraternity. It is instead to free oneself to fully continue the work of Archbishop Lefebvre".
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Q. But if we leave, we leave all the real estate that the faithful have paid in the sweat of their brow, isn't this outrageous?
Yes, it is true that this is grossly unfair that the faithful will suffer and it is a scandal on Menzingen's part. But let us put this drama in light of principle and foundation . Why generous faithful have done this? To do the will of God, for His glory and for the salvation of souls. These generous faithful lose nothing in eternity, God will multiply everything they've given. They don't lose those good deeds, and they are not lost either for all the souls that they have helped save.
In contrast, if one is forbidden to preach the whole truth to keep building and property, we lose sight of what the consequence of the principle and foundation is: all the goods of the earth are only means that helps us to go to heaven. If this is true, to keep the enjoyment of material goods, which are only means, it's not well ordained if you jeopardize the salvation of souls: the physical property becomes an end and is no longer considered as a means. This is a wrong point of view: we do not see things as God sees them, that is to say, as to be used only as a means of salvation, but to never become an end in themselves.
Can't wait for the full translation; meanwhile let's pray so more priests can be faithful to their vocations and their anti-modernist oath; not accepting the sanctions from the Stalin of Menzingen for the simple fact of telling the truth.
I had a hard time seeing the words in red...
"Saving the SSPX it isn't saving a legal structure whose head is already rallied, but to keep going it alive in the spirit of its founder. Before being a structure, the SSPX is primarily a vocation and a particular mission. Leaving the SSPX is not abandoning the Fraternity. It is instead to free oneself to fully continue the work of Archbishop Lefebvre".
(...)
Q. But if we leave, we leave all the real estate that the faithful have paid in the sweat of their brow, isn't this outrageous?
Yes, it is true that this is grossly unfair that the faithful will suffer and it is a scandal on Menzingen's part. But let us put this drama in light of principle and foundation . Why generous faithful have done this? To do the will of God, for His glory and for the salvation of souls. These generous faithful lose nothing in eternity, God will multiply everything they've given. They don't lose those good deeds, and they are not lost either for all the souls that they have helped save.
In contrast, if one is forbidden to preach the whole truth to keep building and property, we lose sight of what the consequence of the principle and foundation is: all the goods of the earth are only means that helps us to go to heaven. If this is true, to keep the enjoyment of material goods, which are only means, it's not well ordained if you jeopardize the salvation of souls: the physical property becomes an end and is no longer considered as a means. This is a wrong point of view: we do not see things as God sees them, that is to say, as to be used only as a means of salvation, but to never become an end in themselves.
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I tried to patch up the snafoo(s) below:
Forgot to mention that the translation above was taken from The Recusant.
You also forgot to mention Fr. Girouard is a "catastroph seeker, a priest with a horse in this race, a coward giving up the fight -- abandoning the ship", and most importantly a "RED lighter".
A catastroph seeker, is he? I can just imagine that's what some of
the passengers who chose to stay on board the Titanic said:
"YOU CATASTROPH SEEKERS -- GETTING INTO THE LIFEBOATS!"
Only, those would be the ones who couldn't spell OR think clearly.
Why would you, dear soul,choose such s name as Lourdes and Fatima, and then so absolutely reject everything They stood for ? Fr. Girouard is far from a catastrophe seeker-- nor is he The image of a coward.
A coward sits comfortably in their pew, knowing that their leaders are watering down the faith and slowly brainwashing their charges to accept modernism -- yet refuse to speak out and correct their errant priests -- or even to alert the faithful.
By your presence on these kinds of sites, you will not be able to proclaim, "Bishop Fellay tricked me", as Fellay tried to charge against Ratzinger.
That's what you get for reading The Recusant, hugeman! Now you have to go
about your daily activities having retained the faculty of being able to think!
You have had the opportunity to see clearly the arguments and the facts that Fellay and Rostand have so mightily tried to keep from you. That you cannot recognize the truth is sad. Pray that you get the grace to do so-- soon!
Nor is Www. Sossaveoursspx.com (http://Http://www.sossaveoursspx.com) Father a catastrophe seeker. I seem to recall he made a major effort to warn the powers that be over a year ago: that if they didn't change course, they would be creating a catastrophe!
Or, were you trying to say:
Nor is Father a catastrophe seeker. I seem to recall he made a major effort to warn the powers that be over a year ago: that if they didn't change course, they would be creating a catastrophe! Www. Sossaveoursspx.com (http://Http://www.sossaveoursspx.com)
...........now I'm a giant smurf? Someone has too much time on his hands............
..wait.......... it's worse than I thought....now I'm the strange, raggedy ann??......
............someone has simply lost it...............................
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It is instructive to review this older thread in light of the newest developments.
Fr. Girouard was previously not able to say everything he wanted to say.
Now that he is free of the oppressive tyranny of the Menzingen-denizens,
he is able to describe for us some of the intrigue that was afoot in those
days. And especially in light of the Branding of the Society, things are
much clearer now.
This is very important for our being able to have a calm, reasoned
discussion with Accordistas who are entirely snowballed with the propaganda.