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Offline BrJoseph

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« Reply #30 on: March 28, 2013, 08:22:21 AM »
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  • Just order one for Fr. Wegner!

    I am sure we will see more.

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    « Reply #31 on: March 28, 2013, 08:54:28 AM »
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  • Father Wegner will need something a lot stronger than aspirin or acetaminophen, ibuprofen or naproxen sodium.

    My only question is (once again/autre fois) Fr G gets the boot.

    As to where he will end up, I will put two drachma on Alaska. I recall Father G really enjoying that particular mission.

    Da pacem Domine in diebus nostris
    Qui non est alius
    Qui pugnet pro nobis
    Nisi  tu Deus noster


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    « Reply #32 on: March 28, 2013, 08:06:13 PM »
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    « Reply #33 on: March 28, 2013, 09:05:40 PM »
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  •  :applause:
    Langley now has a resistance priest that can serve the local faithful!

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    « Reply #34 on: March 28, 2013, 09:09:07 PM »
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  • Quote from: BrJoseph
    http://lefebvristes.forum-box.com/t1557-DECLARATION-Aux-membres-de-la-FSSPX-aux-communautes-et-fideles-par-l-abbe-Patrick-Girouard.htm

    The Resistance has a new priest.

    Happy Easter!

    I hope he comes to Toronto.


    Deo gratias!

    God bless Fr. Girouard!

    I know Google Translate is not the best, but hopefully this is helpful for now:


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    DECLARATION
    members of the Society of St. Pius X
    Communities and the faithful friends of Tradition
       
     Posted on March 28, 2013

    On Holy Thursday, March 28, 2013

               

    Dear brothers and sisters in Christ the King
               

    On this day when the Holy Church commemorates the institution of the grand manner Holy Sacrifice of the Mass and the sacrament of Holy Orders, I take this opportunity to inform you of my decision to place outside the formal structure of the Fraternity. My intention is not to leave, or the vilification. She is victim of a company that aims to bring under the power of the Conciliar Church, despite repeated warnings of its founder, Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre.            

    Following my sermons and interventions against a rallying my district superior, Father Jürgen Wegner, I was transferred to the Priory of Langley (near Vancouver) at district headquarters (St-Césaire, near Montreal) with the avowed intention of me "closely monitor". He also said that I could not criticize superiors. In his letter to priests Canadians about his decision, he attacked not only my public statements, but also to my emails and conversations private, shared with the faithful. It is therefore clear that offered me in exchange for my silence in public and in private, to keep me in the Brotherhood, and thus ensure my physical safety. This would be neither more nor less than a form of spiritual prostitution. Now I have a soul, and I want to save it. I can not do that by accepting this market because, as the saying goes: "Who says nothing, agrees." This is basically why I see a moral obligation to refuse the transfer. This is the only way for me to continue to work to achieve the real goal of the Brotherhood, which is not converted modernist Rome, but to preserve and transmit the true Mass and the true priesthood. So I placed in the hands of Providence, convinced that Our Lord will take good care of her priest.            

    Much has been written on the subject of an agreement "purely practical" with Rome. Suffice it to say that I fully endorse the statements and studies by other colleagues who are opposed to this new orientation of the Brotherhood. I will not repeat them here. I would, however, like to share some personal reflections on the three aspects of the crisis of the Brotherhood:

     1.the authorities Brotherhood want to justify the abandonment of the resolution of the General Chapter of 2006 ("Disagree practice without conversion of Rome"), saying that the situation is not the same today. They would have us believe that many new bishops, priests, and seminarians are no longer interested in Vatican II and the Mass and prefer traditional theology. But it is unable to produce a serious and independent study that would demonstrate. We do not ask us to accept less than what Lefebvre termed "Operation ѕυιcιdє." The General Chapter of 2012, far from correcting the shooting did not qu'envelopper "conditions" cosmetics this shift. The only condition that mattered, the conversion of Rome was indeed abandoned. In addition, this chapter was the opportunity of a reversal of the power relationship between bishops: April 7, 2012, we had, on one side, three bishops against an agreement "practical" and the other, Bishop Fellay isolated one, it was found, on 14 July, with three bishops in favor of such an agreement against a Williamson ostracized, who had also been excluded from the said Chapter. The final statement about the unit reported actually found the end of the recreation for all "refractory". Now, from 15 July 2012, all opposition vis-à-vis a purely practical agreement, any criticism of the authorities of the Society on this subject, became a crime against the Brotherhood itself. It was instituted by the law of silence. The rest is history. This law of silence is so strong that Menzingen does not even bother to respond to the arguments and accusations, we simply demonize opponents as merely vulgar rebels and subversive! Exit SE Williamson, and two dozen priests!
    2.the secret docuмents HE Bishop Fellay (letter of 14 April 2012 the three other bishops Preamble same day), which were published in spite of himself, allowed us to understand the extent to which frequent intercourse with Rome current are dangerous. If such contacts have changed, even before the signing of an agreement, the Superior General, his assistants, and, by extension, other Superiors, what would happen to simple priests and faithful when would officially legally, permanently under the control of the Roman authorities? One has only to see how far Menzingen already persecuting those who oppose this new direction, while we still enjoy a degree of independence vis-à-vis Rome, to understand how far we will once under the authority of the Conciliar Church!
    3.Recemment, we also wanted us to accept the theory that the term "Conciliar Church" does not mean a separate institution of the Catholic Church, but rather a "trend" within it (see DICI, study m. Gleize Abbot). The logical consequence of this theory would be that the traditionalist movement should return to the formal structure of the Church, to fight from within the "trendy" and thus to triumph conciliar tradition. That is why we often hear authorities say that the Brotherhood must "support the Catholic Church to reclaim its Tradition." Now, on the one hand, the Catholic Church, without his tradition, could not exist, it would be the Catholic Church. And, secondly, we can no longer speak of "trend" when liberal ideas and Masonic Vatican are "institutionalized" through reforms covering all aspects of the life of the Church: Liturgy Catechism, Ritual, Bible, ecclesiastical tribunals, Higher Education, Magisterium, and especially Canon Law. So we have a structure, an institution different from the Catholic Church. If this were the case, we would members! But it is not us who have left the Catholic Church, they, even if they were able to take control of the formal structure. Regarding the place of the Pope in all this, it must be admitted that there is a mystery, a mystery of iniquity. It remains that we are in the presence of two separate institutions: The Catholic Church founded by Our Lord and the Conciliar Church, which was instigated in no doubt, Lucifer.
               
    These are just three small thoughts, but I believe they can shed some light on some aspects of the debate. Now that I've become totally free to speak, you can count on, dear brothers and sisters in Christ the King, on my regular contribution to websites growing movement of opposition to the Rally, a movement that deserves the name, I think, Catholic resistance.

               

    Pray for thy servant, as I pray for you.

               

    Father Patrick Girouard, SSPX


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    « Reply #35 on: March 29, 2013, 02:52:32 AM »
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  • Yahoo!!! God bless this brave Cristero! I have been praying for more priests to help Fr. Pfeiffer & the unwavering priests of the resistance. Keep praying & sacrificing!

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    « Reply #36 on: March 29, 2013, 04:16:09 AM »
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  • Quote from: Zorayda
    Yahoo!!! God bless this brave Cristero! I have been praying for more priests to help Fr. Pfeiffer & the unwavering priests of the resistance. Keep praying & sacrificing!


    Good to see you back Zorayda!

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    « Reply #37 on: March 29, 2013, 07:56:59 AM »
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  • DECLARATION
    to
    Members of the Society of St. Pius X,
    Affiliated Communities
    &
    Faithful of Tradition.


     
    French: http://www.lasapiniere.info/declaration-aux-membres-de-la-fraternite-st-pie-x/


    Holy Thursday, 28th March, 2013

    Dear brothers and sisters in Christ the King,

    On this day when the Holy Church solemnly commemorates the institution of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass and the sacrament of Holy Orders, I take this opportunity to inform you of my decision to place myself outside the official structure of the Society. My intention is neither to abandon nor to vilify it. The Society is victim of an enterprise that aims to bring it under the power of the Conciliar Church, despite repeated warnings of its founder, Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre.

    Following my sermons and interventions against a rallying, my district superior, Fr. Jürgen Wegner, transferred me from the Priory of Langley (near Vancouver) to District Headquarters (St-Césaire, near Montreal) with the expressed intention of "closely monitoring" me. He also said that I could no longer criticise the superiors. In his letter to Canadian priests regarding his decision, he attacked not only my public statements, but also my emails and private conversations with the faithful. It is clear that I was being offered to exchange the material welfare of remaining in the Society for my silence in public and in private. This would be no more no less than a form of spiritual prostitution. But I have a soul, and I want to save it. I cannot do that by accepting this deal because, as the saying goes: “silence is tantamount to consent.” This is basically why I see it as a moral obligation to refuse the transfer. This is the only way for me to continue to work towards achieving the true goal of the Society, which is not to convert modernist Rome, but to preserve and transmit the true Mass and the true priesthood. So I put myself in the hands of Providence, convinced that Our Lord will take good care of His priest.

    Much has been written on the subject of a "purely practical" agreement with Rome. Suffice to say that I fully endorse the statements and studies by other colleagues who are opposed to this new orientation of the Society. I shan’t repeat them here. I would, however, like to share some personal reflections on the three aspects of the crisis of the Society:

      1. Society authorities want to justify the abandonment of the resolution of the General Chapter of 2006 ("No practical agreement without conversion of Rome"), by saying that the situation is not the same today. They would have us believe that many new bishops, priests, and seminarians are no longer interested in Vatican II and prefer the traditional Mass and theology. Yet they are unable to produce a serious and independent study to demonstrate this. We are being asked no less than to accept what Archbishop Lefebvre termed "Operation ѕυιcιdє." The General Chapter of 2012, far from correcting this change of direction only wrapped it up in cosmetic "conditions". The only condition that mattered, the conversion of Rome, was abandoned. In addition, this chapter occasioned a reversal of the balance of strength between bishops: From the 7th April 2012 when we had on one side three bishops against a "practical" agreement and on the other, an isolated Bishop Fellay, we found ourselves on the 14th July, with three bishops in favor of such an agreement against an ostracised Bishop Williamson, who had moreover been excluded from the said Chapter. The final statement about the newfound unity actually signalled the end of a period of grace for all "resisters". Henceforth, from 15th July 2012, all opposition vis-à-vis a purely practical agreement, any criticism of the authorities of the Society on this subject, became a crime against the Society itself. A law of silence was instituted. The rest is history. This law of silence is so powerful that Menzingen doesn’t even bother to respond to the arguments and accusations; opponents are simply demonised as vulgar rebels of subversive deeds! Exit H.E. Bishop Williamson and a score of priests!

    2. H.E. Bishop Fellay’s secret docuмents (14th April 2012 letter to the three other bishops, Preamble the following day), which were published unofficially, allowed us to understand the extent to which frequent relations with today’s Rome are dangerous. If even before the signing of an agreement such contacts have changed the Superior General, his assistants, and, by extension, other Superiors, what would happen to simple priests and faithful when they would be officially, legally, permanently under the control of the Roman authorities? One has only to see how Menzingen already persecutes those who oppose this new direction even while we still enjoy a degree of independence vis-à-vis Rome, to understand how far they will go once under the authority of the conciliar Church!

    3. Recently, it was asked of us to accept the theory that the term "conciliar Church" does not mean a separate institution of the Catholic Church, but rather a "movement" within it (cf. Fr.Gleize in DICI: http://www.dici.org/en/docuмents/can-one-speak-of-the-conciliar-church/). The logical consequence of this theory would be that the traditionalist movement should return to the formal structure of the Church, to fight from within the conciliar "movement" and thus help Tradition triumph. It is why we often hear SSPX authorities say that the Society must "help the Catholic Church to reclaim her Tradition." Now, on one hand, the Catholic Church, without her Tradition, could not exist, it would no longer be the Catholic Church. Furthermore, one can no longer speak of a mere "movement" when the liberal and Masonic ideas of Vatican II have been "institutionalised" by reforms covering all aspects of Church life: Liturgy, Catechism, Ritual, Bible, Ecclesiastical Tribunals, Higher Education, Magisterium and, above all, Canon Law. We are confronted with a structure, an institution which is different to the Catholic Church. If it weren’t the case, we would be members! But it is not us who have left the Catholic Church, they have, even if they managed to take control of the official structure. Concerning the role of the Pope in all this, it has to be admitted that therein lies a mystery, a mystery of iniquity. Nonetheless, it stands that we are in the presence of two separate institutions: The Catholic Church founded by Our Lord and the conciliar Church, instigated, let there be no doubt, by Lucifer.

    These are just three small reflections, but I believe they can shed some light on some aspects of the debate. Now that I have become totally free to speak, you can count, dear brothers and sisters in Christ the King, on my regular contribution to the websites of the growing movement of opposition to the Ralliement, a movement that I believe deserves the name Catholic Resistance.


    Pray for thy servant, as I pray for you.

    Father Patrick Girouard, SSPX


    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."


    Offline SeanJohnson

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    « Reply #38 on: March 29, 2013, 08:10:06 AM »
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  • Forgot to mention that the translation above was taken from The Recusant.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    « Reply #39 on: March 29, 2013, 10:45:46 AM »
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  • Father Wegner comments.

    http://www.sspx.ca/2013-03-28_Communique.pdf

    noted by Judith on Ignis Ardens.

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    « Reply #40 on: March 29, 2013, 11:04:55 AM »
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  • I pray for the Langley faithful who is in charge of the sspx.ca website, and I pray that the seminarian from the same family would enter Major Order real soon!  The Society certainly needs "obedient" son.

    :rahrah:


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    « Reply #41 on: March 29, 2013, 11:17:43 AM »
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  • Quote from: vidi
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    Langley now has a resistance priest that can serve the local faithful!


    Do you know he's staying in Langley or are you hoping?

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    « Reply #42 on: March 29, 2013, 11:35:51 AM »
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  • Quote from: Seraphim
    Forgot to mention that the translation above was taken from The Recusant.


    You also forgot to mention Fr. Girouard is a "catastroph seeker, a priest with a horse in this race, a coward giving up the fight -- abandoning the ship", and most importantly a "RED lighter".

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    « Reply #43 on: March 29, 2013, 11:41:52 AM »
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  • Fr G is not a red lighter. He told the Langley faithful that it is ok for now to attend the local SSPX Chapel.

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    « Reply #44 on: March 29, 2013, 11:45:00 AM »
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  • @ Wallflower -- Well, as you see from the Recusant article, most of the faithful (I will say even more than 50%, perhaps, 75%) are with Fr G.

    At this time, we hope that Fr G would still be here. I know that he will not abandon us.