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Re: Bp Williamson must comment on neo-SSPX new SG immediately?
« Reply #15 on: July 22, 2018, 10:22:02 PM »
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    • AJNC-

    I hope you are right, but unfortunately I see no signs of any priests leaving the SSPX for any reason from here on out (unless it is to the dioceses or Ecclesia Dei).

    Even the French Deans accepted their unjust punishments in order to retain their SSPX membership.

    In America, the historic fear of radicalism keeps the disgruntled out of our ranks (i.e., This is how a Fr. Doran could go conciliar Maronite Rite over the Resistance)

    These priests would never have joined up with Archbishop Lefebvre in the 1970's: Too far out.

    There are many who step up to the precipice, but lacking the heart to make the plunge, turn around and head back inside to safety.
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    Re: Bp Williamson must comment on neo-SSPX new SG immediately?
    « Reply #16 on: July 23, 2018, 12:05:50 AM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on July 22, 2018, 05:41:36 PM
    What do you know about the Resistance, sedevacantist?

    I've been with the Resistance from the very beginning, so I (unlike you) know what I speak of, when I talk about the Resistance.

    The Resistance was NOT founded on the shaky platform of, "my SSPX priest doesn't talk against a Rome-SSPX deal often enough!"
    Give me a break!
    Matthew
    Some of us started out as SSPX R&Rers but in the course of time moved into sedevacantism, but still attend the SSPX chapel we have always been in. How can we be in favour of anything that has to do with the Modernists in Rome?. In the early 2000s at least four of us from India - all attending SSPX chapels, but sedes - tried to use the TRADITIO network to work against the deal which could be smelt by at least 2002 if not earlier. Cathinfo was not around then.
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    Offline Matthew

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    Re: Bp Williamson must comment on neo-SSPX new SG immediately?
    « Reply #17 on: July 23, 2018, 01:04:06 PM »
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    • Quote from: AJNC on July 23, 2018, 12:05:50 AM
    Matthew
    Some of us started out as SSPX R&Rers but in the course of time moved into sedevacantism, but still attend the SSPX chapel we have always been in. How can we be in favour of anything that has to do with the Modernists in Rome?. In the early 2000s at least four of us from India - all attending SSPX chapels, but sedes - tried to use the TRADITIO network to work against the deal which could be smelt by at least 2002 if not earlier. Cathinfo was not around then.
    Yes, but it was around just a few years later, in August of 2006.

    And I was busy training at the St. Thomas Aquinas Seminary under Bishop Williamson -- without that crucial training and formation, CathInfo would never have become what it is today. So I regret nothing.

    I'm probably just younger than you (and the other 3 you mentioned). There's a place for all age groups; everyone gets the same productive time on earth (roughly) and our lifespans all overlap. We needed the early Trad pioneers in the 70's, then we needed some 10 years younger, and 10 years younger than that... and so on. I started fighting the good fight later than you, but only because of my age (I am a life-long Trad), so I will probably get to fight it until a later year than you. That's just how it works.

    And there are some that are just coming of age today, who will (hopefully) fight the good fight a couple decades longer than I will be able to. Again, that's just how human lifespan works.

    I'm not sure what you're trying to tell me though. That some sedevacantists support the Resistance, or supported the Resistance from the earliest days? Of course. I will happily concede that point. Anything else you want to argue about?

    But let's be realistic -- just because someone is a sedevacantist I'm not going to assume they support(ed) the Resistance in any meaningful way, or understand it to any degree. That would be too much to assume. I would HOPE that most sedevacantists would get along with the Resistance somewhat, since we are both against a deal with Modernist Rome. But we are largely R&R, like Archbishop Lefebvre.

    We were talking about the platform of the Resistance being mainly "lighting a fire under various priests who were being too silent about ____ issue or ____ issue, basically complaining about their sermon syllabus or telling them what to preach". To that, of course, I disagree.
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    Re: Bp Williamson must comment on neo-SSPX new SG immediately?
    « Reply #18 on: July 23, 2018, 01:21:11 PM »
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    • Quote from: hollingsworth on July 22, 2018, 09:36:10 PM
    N.O. I would be more than satisfied and happy to get my comeuppance.  I mean, bring it on!  The bishop used up at least three pre-GC EC's getting us prepared for the worst and, maybe, the not so bad.  He painted a very dire picture for what might be the consequences, should the wrong sspx clerics be empowered.  Well, the event occurred.  IMO, five losers were raised to leadership positions.  The disaster happened.  Five unacceptable indiviuals, IMO, assumed the mantle of organizational supremacy.  OK, Your Excellency, what about it? Give us a run down.  Save artificial intelligence, Mozart and Brahms, etc. for later.  Let's get down to cases.  Are you happy about this?  Are you unhappy with the results?  Why or why not?  I eagerly await my comeuppance.  Can the Society go on as any kind of a viable traditonal enterprise with this assemblage of players, or shall we start chanting the dies irae?
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    Re: Bp Williamson must comment on neo-SSPX new SG immediately?
    « Reply #19 on: July 23, 2018, 01:43:47 PM »
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    • I think Bp Williamson is waiting to get inside information about the General Chapter meeting,
    so that he has something factual and important to say. 

    As for myself, I see a strengthening of the resolve to make a deal with Rome. Now 5 at the
    top of the SSPX instead of 3.  Five working 8 hours per day on making the deal with Rome.
    Bp Fellay is definitely going nowhere, which many of us hoped for, so I'm much less likely to
    set foot inside an SSPX chapel now. 

    Actually, it was the lies about the Resistance, coming from Fr. Rutledge, in Saint Marys, KS,
    which really pushed me over the edge.  Lying in God's house !!  Too much for me.
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    Re: Bp Williamson must comment on neo-SSPX new SG immediately?
    « Reply #20 on: July 23, 2018, 02:07:04 PM »
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    • Quote from: apollo on July 23, 2018, 01:43:47 PM
    I think Bp Williamson is waiting to get inside information about the General Chapter meeting,
    so that he has something factual and important to say.  

    As for myself, I see a strengthening of the resolve to make a deal with Rome. Now 5 at the
    top of the SSPX instead of 3.  Five working 8 hours per day on making the deal with Rome.
    Bp Fellay is definitely going nowhere, which many of us hoped for, so I'm much less likely to
    set foot inside an SSPX chapel now.  

    Actually, it was the lies about the Resistance, coming from Fr. Rutledge, in Saint Marys, KS,
    which really pushed me over the edge.  Lying in God's house !!  Too much for me.
    I've heard lies from BOTH sides.  Which is why I cannot take a "side."
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    Re: Bp Williamson must comment on neo-SSPX new SG immediately?
    « Reply #21 on: July 23, 2018, 02:20:10 PM »
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    • I just got back from the John Vaquie days in Avrille, where Bishop Williamson was in attendance.

    At the beginning of his conference there he madea brief comment about the new SG.

    he said (quoting someone - I forget who) "the more things change, the more they remain the same"

    That was all he said, and it was in response to people who had been asking him.

    It's enough for me anyway.
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    Re: Bp Williamson must comment on neo-SSPX new SG immediately?
    « Reply #22 on: July 23, 2018, 03:00:14 PM »
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    • Quote from: St.Patrick on July 23, 2018, 02:20:10 PM
    I just got back from the John Vaquie days in Avrille, where Bishop Williamson was in attendance.

    At the beginning of his conference there he madea brief comment about the new SG.

    he said (quoting someone - I forget who) "the more things change, the more they remain the same"

    That was all he said, and it was in response to people who had been asking him.

    It's enough for me anyway.
    Well said, st. Patrick. And a good post from Matthew.

    I think we all suffer, because we live in the world of Internet "instant news/instant reaction", from the "itchy-eagerness-for-immediate-response" Syndrome.

    Indeed, nowadays, if you don't give an immediate response to anything that comes up, people will think that you have no clue, and they will therefore stop trusting your judgement and then stop supporting you intellectually and financially. This, if your living depends on public support, may make a big difference in your life. It will also make a big difference in the life of your audience, because, if they stop going to your website because they think you have become clueless, they will miss a lot of good analysis you will do in the future. In this scenario, both ends of the relation will suffer.

    I think we need to react to the Syndrome of "Itchy-Eagerness" by accepting to wait and be patient with regards to public reactions from Resistance Bishops and Priests. Let us give them the time to think and to analyse the "news" with some depth. And if one of the Resistance clergy is able and inspired to do it, we have to understand that the others may feel his reaction was adequate and represented their own vision, and therefore, why should they just repeat it straight away?

    As Fr. Girouard told us one time: "Respirez par le nez!" ("You have got to breathe through your nose!" by opposition with people who are so excited and breathless, that they breathe through the mouth).
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    Re: Bp Williamson must comment on neo-SSPX new SG immediately?
    « Reply #23 on: July 23, 2018, 08:25:20 PM »
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    • St. Pat:
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    he (bp. W) said (quoting someone - I forget who) "the more things change, the more they remain the same"

    That was all he said, and it was in response to people who had been asking him.

    It's enough for me anyway.

    Boy! If it's true that this is all he said in France post-GC, then one has to wonder why he said so much prior to the event.  Because, man, the bishop had a lot to say earlier.  He was positively wordy.  But I still hold out hope that the next EC will not treat of an approaching death star threatening to destroy the earth, or other such off-topic item. I trust that we'll not be re-introduced to a character in Shakespeare, or to a long dead composer, or, (gasp!) artificial intelligence, part III. 
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    Re: Bp Williamson must comment on neo-SSPX new SG immediately?
    « Reply #24 on: July 23, 2018, 08:33:33 PM »
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    • Hollingsworth, do you really NEED the bishop to tell you something you (should) already know (from the many articles posted on this site)?  The new superior general is a chip off the 'ol +Fellay block...
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