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Offline SeanJohnson

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Tradidi.com Closes
« on: May 24, 2019, 05:13:06 PM »
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  • I don't know what Samuel's reasons were yet, but for myself, I pretty much quit blogging when I began to question whether I was working at cross-purposes with +BW and +BZ (i.e., I was trying to grow a new SSPX movement, whereas +BW wanted no replacement or large movement and was encouraging independence, while +BZ was wanting to remain invisible).
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    Re: Tradidi.com Closes
    « Reply #1 on: May 24, 2019, 05:34:44 PM »
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  • I don't know what Samuel's reasons were yet, but for myself, I pretty much quit blogging when I began to question whether I was working at cross-purposes with +BW and +BZ (i.e., I was trying to grow a new SSPX movement, whereas +BW wanted no replacement or large movement and was encouraging independence, while +BZ was wanting to remain invisible).
    You are misrepresenting and distorting the position of the two bishops in question.

    When has +W ever said he wanted no large movement?

    Being negative on "another SSPX" is humanly understandable for someone almost 80 years of age who has given decades of his life to the cause ... with the current results. If I were him, I would probably be living in a hermitage somewhere, having completely given up on Trads. At least His Excellency has decided to help the small remnant as much as possible, and has done a good job and provided Tradition with 3 more faithful bishops.

    +ABL had a lot more to hope for, and a lot more to work with, at age 79 than +W does today. +ABL was 79 years old in 1984. And remember +ABL himself was humanly discouraged, angry, and ready to give up on America after the Nine split in 1983, but Bishop Williamson convinced him to maintain a presence in America and rebuild. So it's not like he's always been negative. If anything, he's historically been too optimistic and quick to give people the benefit of the doubt.
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    Re: Tradidi.com Closes
    « Reply #2 on: May 24, 2019, 06:01:24 PM »
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  • while +BZ was wanting to remain invisible).

    Sean, you must have been in a bad mood when you wrote this.

    To rebut your words, I only have to quote this guy named Sean Johnson:
    https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/being-too-picky-about-your-priest/msg654959/#msg654959
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    Re: Tradidi.com Closes
    « Reply #3 on: May 24, 2019, 06:05:26 PM »
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  • So, how many times does this make?

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    Re: Tradidi.com Closes
    « Reply #4 on: May 24, 2019, 06:05:42 PM »
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  • Sean, you must have been in a bad mood when you wrote this.

    To rebut your words, I only have to quote this guy named Sean Johnson:
    https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/being-too-picky-about-your-priest/msg654959/#msg654959

    That post explains why +BZ doesn't write or want his sermons recorded.

    It does not explain why there can be no SAJM US District website, or announcing Mass venues and times, etc..

    For example: Can you tell me where the closest Mass to my house will be this weekend?
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    Re: Tradidi.com Closes
    « Reply #5 on: May 24, 2019, 06:13:12 PM »
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  • That post explains why +BZ doesn't write or want his sermons recorded.

    It does not explain why there can be no SAJM US District website, or announcing Mass venues and times, etc..

    For example: Can you tell me where the closest Mass to my house will be this weekend?

    There are like 8 chapels :)  For most people, the hard answer is, "sorry, charlie". That's why it's a bit premature to create an Android app to tell you where the closest chapel is.

    Unless you live in

    Danbury, CT
    Houston, TX
    St. Marys, KS
    you're not going to get weekly Mass

    and then a few places
    Pennsylvania
    Seguin, TX
    Minnesota?
    Toronto?

    get monthly Mass.

    Yes, there are a couple other misc. chapels with Fr. Girouard in Canada/Pacific NW and Fr. Morel in Louisiana.

    And I'm missing a couple for sure. But you get the idea. A Resistance Mass Directory would fit on a couple of post-it notes at this point. And I say that as a fervent supporter of the movement!

    P.S.  I understand where you're coming from. CathInfo STILL has a Resistance directory live (though in great need of updating). Also, my own chapel is highly publicized with a blog, great search engine position, and everything. 
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    Re: Tradidi.com Closes
    « Reply #6 on: May 24, 2019, 06:21:04 PM »
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  • Speaking of having a big website to publicize a Resistance chapel, I want to underline a point.

    What has it done for our chapel here?

    Basically nothing. We've had more people through here, but in one window and out the other, like cross-ventilation. No tangible long term benefit to the chapel. There are only so many well-formed Traditional Catholics who understand the fight (Modernism, Vatican II, etc.) and who understand the Traditional Catholic movement -- the justification for disobeying the Pope, and the LACK OF NEED for any kind of permission from Conciliar authorities.

    You can have all the advertising in the world, but you can't reach people who don't exist! The fact is, everyone with the old SSPX position is probably with the SSPX, and chances are they STILL are with the SSPX for practical reasons. Throwing money and resources into a blog or other advertising is not likely to have a great effect.

    Believe me, I've tried! I've spent hours talking to people on the phone, in person, after Mass, etc. and although we are super-friendly and accommodating with newcomers (no horror stories here!) everyone decides they don't belong and they stop coming at some point. The priests didn't give a sermon on the h0Ɩ0cαųst or anything controversial like that, either.

    (By horror stories I mean classic Trad horror stories like going up to a young married couple and asking, "Are you pregnant yet? You're not using birth control are you?" or going up to a woman and saying, "That dress is immodest, you slut!")
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    Re: Tradidi.com Closes
    « Reply #7 on: May 24, 2019, 06:23:48 PM »
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  • So, how many times does this make?
    More than I can keep track of. I lost count.
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    Re: Tradidi.com Closes
    « Reply #8 on: May 24, 2019, 06:27:10 PM »
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  • That post explains why +BZ doesn't write or want his sermons recorded.

    It does not explain why there can be no SAJM US District website, or announcing Mass venues and times, etc..

    For example: Can you tell me where the closest Mass to my house will be this weekend?

    Oh, and I forgot to add --

    things are too much in flux to have standard times posted. Our chapel used to have Mass on the 1st Sunday of every month, but now it's up in the air again. Even travelers don't get much benefit from a site that lists chapels, if you don't know when Mass is going to be.

    Even the Houston, TX chapel had irregular Mass times for a while, even though they always got Sunday Mass. Usually it was in the morning, but sometimes it was in the evening. And that's at a "Priory" (to use SSPX nomenclature) that Bp. Zendejas personally bought and owns!

    Seriously, Sean, if we compared the Resistance to the early SSPX, we'd have to put our current state at about 1970. But even then, the SSPX was better off than the Resistance today (unless you count having 4 bishops). Did the SSPX have a fully featured website (or booklet, since the Internet didn't exist yet) to list all chapels in 1970, on opening day?
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    Re: Tradidi.com Closes
    « Reply #9 on: May 28, 2019, 02:35:55 PM »
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  • (By horror stories I mean classic Trad horror stories like going up to a young married couple and asking, "Are you pregnant yet? You're not using birth control are you?" or going up to a woman and saying, "That dress is immodest, you slut!")
    I miss those days.