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Offline Jr1991

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Re: Fr. Fullerton in Sanford Fl
« Reply #45 on: June 02, 2022, 08:34:03 PM »
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  • jr1991:
    Well, jr., you think wrong.  It is not "Jacobs,"  but 'Jacas.'  To my knowledge she never said Fr. D. was trying to get her into bed.  Even if he had, you claim, that is not a criminal offense, and, by SSPX standards of morality, would not have meant his immediate dismissal.
    Father, you say, should be reprimanded for sin.  Well, if he was, it is not evident to most of us.  Jacas first talked to Duverger in 2013.  In the intervening nine years, it does not appear that the leadership has done much to reprimand him at all about much of anything.  Fr. D. enjoys full priestly privileges.  He says Mass regularly in Sandord .  He hears confessions.  He leads youth pilgrimages He is still the principal of the boys' school to my knowledge.
    Still waiting to hear Lad tell me what  nonsense and slanderous activity CM is guilty of..  He won't, of course, because he can't.
    Maybe it's time for some of you to review the April, 2020 Christine Niles had with Jassy.  At the very least, it would help you all to get her last name straight.

    SSPX Whistleblower Speaks (churchmilitant.com)

    Seriously you want to play that game.  "Sandord" no its Sanford. Like I said before if Fr. D is guilty of these charges he should be reprimanded and held accountable.  It seems like you have an ax to grind and believe anything CM says at face value. Using your logic you would then agree with CM that the SSPX is schismatic because the Novus Ordo sect says so? 

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    Re: Fr. Fullerton in Sanford Fl
    « Reply #46 on: June 02, 2022, 08:40:53 PM »
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  • No, CM spun it that way, but it does not look like Father Duverger was grooming her in any way.  He never so much as touched her, and for the longest time he wouldn't even respond to her e-mail (which she complained about).  He asked some bizarre questions in spiritual direction ... which may have been motivated by impure curiosity, or perhaps came from an imbalanced mind, where he fancied himself some kind of psychologist who would "cure" her of her past trauma.  But that's ALL that happened between them.  And I apologize for having to be blunt, but she's not a particularly attractive woman.  I'm sure Father Duverger could have found other options if that's what he was after.

    And yet CM smeared him as a "threat to children" ... when he had never acted inappropriately around children.  Men who are interested in women tend not to be interested in children.  So Father Duverger would have a real case for slander, except I think the SSPX would not want all the extra publicity.

    Another one who was repeatedly smeared was Father Kenneth Novak, where he was characterized as a home-wrecker, seducing women from their husbands, visiting them "at all hours of the night," etc. ... but there's absolutely zero evidence that there was any wrongdoing of the nature that was implied.

    I watched the interview when its first came out, and I thought he was trying to groom her. If what she says is true. But I agree it’s a stretch to say then Duverger preys on children.


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    Re: Fr. Fullerton in Sanford Fl
    « Reply #47 on: June 02, 2022, 10:01:08 PM »
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    And yet CM smeared him as a "threat to children" ... when he had never acted inappropriately around children.  
    Again the question: When and where did CM smear Fr. D as a "threat to children?"

    Since the phrase is in quotes, it would infer that it was lifted from a CM video or article.  All I want to know is where that alleged quote can be found.  Who said it or wrote it?

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    Re: Fr. Fullerton in Sanford Fl
    « Reply #48 on: June 02, 2022, 10:25:16 PM »
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  • I watched the interview when its first came out, and I thought he was trying to groom her. If what she says is true. But I agree it’s a stretch to say then Duverger preys on children.

    I think that's what SHE was trying to convey, and what CM was trying to say, but actually write down the facts, and he basically asked some inappropriate questions of her about her past.  But that was IT.  No touching, no propositions or flattery or "coming on" to her, nothing that suggested he had any kind of impure interest in her.  Could he have been indulging an impure curiosity?  Perhaps.  But the way she described it, he was adamant that he could help fix the trauma she had experienced in the past.  He sounded like an over-zealous would-be psychologist more than a groomer.  She expressed how frustrated she was because he wouldn't return her e-mails for a very long time.  Does that sound like grooming to you, when he was not even returning her messages?

    And the worst statement about Fr. Duverger was reported by Jassy second-hand, a bizarre incident, but then it came out that the girl who told Jassy about it was known to have psychological issues and wasn't even believed by her own family.

    Did Fr Duverger do other things to other women that make him suspect?  Perhaps, but this one here doesn't pass any kind of smell test.

    That reminds me of the whole Fr. Arzuaga episode, where this woman repeatedly let him just walk into her apartment and rape her?  Zero credibility there.  Did Arzuaga commit grave sins against chastity and violate his vows?  I believe he admited that.  But it doesn't pass the smell test of being non-consensual.

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    Re: Fr. Fullerton in Sanford Fl
    « Reply #49 on: June 02, 2022, 10:30:18 PM »
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  • Again the question: When and where did CM smear Fr. D as a "threat to children?"

    Since the phrase is in quotes, it would infer that it was lifted from a CM video or article.  All I want to know is where that alleged quote can be found.  Who said it or wrote it?

    For being so fixated with this issue, did you even bother to watch that video?  Jassy reported Fr. Duverger to SSPX as being a "threat to children" ... with no evidence whatsoever.  CM then stated their dismay that Fr. Duverger was allowed near children after Jassy's complaint.  And the SSPX representative asked her what she based that allegation on, and she had nothing.


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    Re: Fr. Fullerton in Sanford Fl
    « Reply #50 on: June 02, 2022, 10:52:39 PM »
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  • I think that's what SHE was trying to convey, and what CM was trying to say, but actually write down the facts, and he basically asked some inappropriate questions of her about her past.  But that was IT.  No touching, no propositions or flattery or "coming on" to her, nothing that suggested he had any kind of impure interest in her.  Could he have been indulging an impure curiosity?  Perhaps.  But the way she described it, he was adamant that he could help fix the trauma she had experienced in the past.  He sounded like an over-zealous would-be psychologist more than a groomer.  She expressed how frustrated she was because he wouldn't return her e-mails for a very long time.  Does that sound like grooming to you, when he was not even returning her messages?

    And the worst statement about Fr. Duverger was reported by Jassy second-hand, a bizarre incident, but then it came out that the girl who told Jassy about it was known to have psychological issues and wasn't even believed by her own family.

    Did Fr Duverger do other things to other women that make him suspect?  Perhaps, but this one here doesn't pass any kind of smell test.

    That reminds me of the whole Fr. Arzuaga episode, where this woman repeatedly let him just walk into her apartment and rape her?  Zero credibility there.  Did Arzuaga commit grave sins against chastity and violate his vows?  I believe he admited that.  But it doesn't pass the smell test of being non-consensual.
    I will watch the video again tonight, it has been over a year, and I may have forgotten some details. I remember another girl involved; I believe her name was Hannah- If I remember correctly, she never did come forward with her story. 

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    Re: Fr. Fullerton in Sanford Fl
    « Reply #51 on: June 02, 2022, 10:53:41 PM »
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  • For being so fixated with this issue, did you even bother to watch that video?  Jassy reported Fr. Duverger to SSPX as being a "threat to children" ... with no evidence whatsoever.  CM then stated their dismay that Fr. Duverger was allowed near children after Jassy's complaint.  And the SSPX representative asked her what she based that allegation on, and she had nothing.

    Yes, that is true. 

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    Re: Fr. Fullerton in Sanford Fl
    « Reply #52 on: June 03, 2022, 03:08:08 PM »
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  • Who was the priest who had chickens?
    May God bless you and keep you


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    Re: Fr. Fullerton in Sanford Fl
    « Reply #53 on: June 03, 2022, 05:05:17 PM »
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    Here to put the "threat to children" issue more in focus, from a LifeSite article June 15, 2021

    ....Wegner apparently told Jacas that Duverger, who by that point had been re-assigned to the SSPX’s St. Thomas More priory in Sanford, Florida, was “restricted on doing Confessions and spiritual direction with women.” According to Jacas, he also said the restrictions “are so severe for him that he literally says Mass and he has to run and hide afterwards because if he is even seen talking to a woman, he's done.” 
    To that, Jacas says she responded, “Okay, well, what about the children?” And she says Wegner replied, “well, what proof do you have that you should be concerned about children?” 
    Jacas said she had two concerns: “One, if I were a mother of any of those children sending my kids those camps or that school, I would want to know if these reports were made against him. Two, it it seems like he targeted sɛҳuąƖ abuse victims, which are very vulnerable to being confused…and children are vulnerable also.” 
    Wegner allegedly said, “I will look into it and see if there's anything more we can do for the children's safety.”
    Jacas said that she became even more upset after learning Duverger was placed in charge of running camps for kids and was tasked with leading a pilgrimage that included women on it. He was also tasked with helping at the school in Florida. Jacas told LifeSite that she believed Fr. Wegner misled her.
    I was willing to accept Fr. Wegner’s decisions up until the point I found out he was lying to me. Fr. Durverger was working with an all female faculty and wanted to plan a private pilgrimage with just him and them. I was told specifically that Fr. Duverger wasn't even allowed to be seen with a woman, yet he worked with a female faculty and they were advertising a pilgrimage with him.”
    It was not my demands but the SSPX’s own protocols that they publicly claim to follow that was [sic] not being followed,” she said. 
    Jacas also said that she spoke with Father Marc Vernoy, a priest stationed at the St. Thomas More priory with Fr. Duverger. “I end up saying [to him] that the only thing that would ease my conscience would be for him to inform all the parents about the reports or to remove Father Duverger from a position in which he could be hurting people.” Neither of those things happened, she said. 
    Jacas eventually contacted Father Davide Pagliarani, the Superior General of the SSPX, via email in early 2020 to express concern about Fr. Duverger’s ministry. Pagliarani emailed her back saying the U.S. District is in charge of Duverger and that the situation was in Fr. Wegner’s hands.... (all bold letters added)

    SSPX priest planning defamation lawsuit against Church Militant, lawyer says - LifeSite (lifesitenews.com)



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    Re: Fr. Fullerton in Sanford Fl
    « Reply #54 on: June 03, 2022, 06:10:30 PM »
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  • What, precisely, is Duverger alleged to have done to Jacas again?
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: Fr. Fullerton in Sanford Fl
    « Reply #55 on: June 04, 2022, 08:08:47 AM »
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  • Good Father.
    You are bipolar. 

    How can I be a "good father" when you also calumnate me?

    "Typical dumb disrespectful punk with sodomite attitude."

    "Nadir, why don’t you reprimand this young punk....."

    "You are just a disrespectful punk.  Get it got it good.  Immature punks. "

    "Most of you are pretending to be holier than thou while condoning mortal sin."

    "You are ok with pot smoking, listening to satanic music. Etc."

    "You totally support the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr with your satanic hippie version of traditional Catholicism"

    "obese soyboys who smoke weed and spend most of their time only online"

    "moron"

    " in a state of mortal sin with no plans of repenting. They are trying to make mortal sin acceptable in society and in traditional chapels.  They are smoking pot, watching porn, struggling with sodomy or waiting for it to be acceptable, adultery, etc.  They have zero intentions of relenting for sins. "

    "satan’s fool"

    "behaves like a Judas"

    "Go to confession."

    "doesn’t even know basic Catholicism."

    "smokes weed"



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    Re: Fr. Fullerton in Sanford Fl
    « Reply #56 on: June 04, 2022, 12:12:05 PM »
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  • Here to put the "threat to children" issue more in focus, from a LifeSite article June 15, 2021

    ....Wegner apparently told Jacas that Duverger, who by that point had been re-assigned to the SSPX’s St. Thomas More priory in Sanford, Florida, was “restricted on doing Confessions and spiritual direction with women.” According to Jacas, he also said the restrictions “are so severe for him that he literally says Mass and he has to run and hide afterwards because if he is even seen talking to a woman, he's done.”
    To that, Jacas says she responded, “Okay, well, what about the children?” And she says Wegner replied, “well, what proof do you have that you should be concerned about children?”
    Jacas said she had two concerns: “One, if I were a mother of any of those children sending my kids those camps or that school, I would want to know if these reports were made against him. Two, it it seems like he targeted sɛҳuąƖ abuse victims, which are very vulnerable to being confused…and children are vulnerable also.”
    Wegner allegedly said, “I will look into it and see if there's anything more we can do for the children's safety.”
    Jacas said that she became even more upset after learning Duverger was placed in charge of running camps for kids and was tasked with leading a pilgrimage that included women on it. He was also tasked with helping at the school in Florida. Jacas told LifeSite that she believed Fr. Wegner misled her.
    I was willing to accept Fr. Wegner’s decisions up until the point I found out he was lying to me. Fr. Durverger was working with an all female faculty and wanted to plan a private pilgrimage with just him and them. I was told specifically that Fr. Duverger wasn't even allowed to be seen with a woman, yet he worked with a female faculty and they were advertising a pilgrimage with him.”
    It was not my demands but the SSPX’s own protocols that they publicly claim to follow that was [sic] not being followed,” she said.
    Jacas also said that she spoke with Father Marc Vernoy, a priest stationed at the St. Thomas More priory with Fr. Duverger. “I end up saying [to him] that the only thing that would ease my conscience would be for him to inform all the parents about the reports or to remove Father Duverger from a position in which he could be hurting people.” Neither of those things happened, she said.
    Jacas eventually contacted Father Davide Pagliarani, the Superior General of the SSPX, via email in early 2020 to express concern about Fr. Duverger’s ministry. Pagliarani emailed her back saying the U.S. District is in charge of Duverger and that the situation was in Fr. Wegner’s hands.... (all bold letters added)

    SSPX priest planning defamation lawsuit against Church Militant, lawyer says - LifeSite (lifesitenews.com)


    “Against a priest receive not an accusation, but under two or three witnesses.”
     (1 EPISTLE OF ST. PAUL TO TIMOTHY 5:19)
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: Fr. Fullerton in Sanford Fl
    « Reply #57 on: June 04, 2022, 12:30:34 PM »
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  • “Against a priest receive not an accusation, but under two or three witnesses.”
    (1 EPISTLE OF ST. PAUL TO TIMOTHY 5:19)
    Continued:
    Verse 20 - "Them that sin reprove before all: that the rest also may have fear."

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    Re: Fr. Fullerton in Sanford Fl
    « Reply #58 on: June 04, 2022, 12:36:30 PM »
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  • Verse 20 does not continue or modify the counsel from Verse 19:

    The whole chapter is a list of independent/stand alone counsels (each counsel representing a verse).

    Verse 19 stands.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: Fr. Fullerton in Sanford Fl
    « Reply #59 on: June 04, 2022, 12:52:07 PM »
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  • Verse 20 does not continue or modify the counsel from Verse 19:

    The whole chapter is a list of independent/stand alone counsels (each counsel nearly representing a verse).

    Verse 19 stands.

    Moreover, this is Paul's counsel to Timothy on how to run his apostolate (i.e., with Verse 19 being how to handle accusations against priests, but verse 20 being how to handle sinful faithful.  In other words, the verses are not topically connected; the latter is not a continuation of the former thought/counsel).
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."