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Offline epiphany

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Re: Fr. Fullerton in Sanford Fl
« Reply #30 on: May 31, 2022, 11:56:16 PM »
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  • Duverger is still Sanford; he celebrated Mass this past Sunday. As far as CM  is concerned, they have entirely lost their mind. They did raise some important issues about the Society, but their hatred of Catholicism is immense. Compare that with their love affair of the Novus ordo, and you have to question their motives.

    I don't care about their motives.  We never would have heard about the pervert sspx priests and the priests/bishops who enabled them if it weren't for CM.  I am grateful to be better prepared to protect my family.  

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    Re: Fr. Fullerton in Sanford Fl
    « Reply #31 on: June 01, 2022, 10:41:27 AM »
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  • "Acquired legally or otherwise"?  Are they acquiring property illegally?

    Remember, lawyers are expensive.  And if what Church Militant says is true, the SSPX will lose.

    They ARE trying other avenues of monetary enrichment:

    :facepalm:  worst idea ever
    I never understood that. Why not raffle a truck or family van/minivan: something practical and useful rather than luxurious? The profit margin may end up better too.
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    Re: Fr. Fullerton in Sanford Fl
    « Reply #32 on: June 01, 2022, 11:36:52 AM »
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  • I don't care about their motives.  We never would have heard about the pervert sspx priests and the priests/bishops who enabled them if it weren't for CM.  I am grateful to be better prepared to protect my family. 
    Good Father. 
    May God bless you and keep you

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    Re: Fr. Fullerton in Sanford Fl
    « Reply #33 on: June 01, 2022, 11:37:38 AM »
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  • I never understood that. Why not raffle a truck or family van/minivan: something practical and useful rather than luxurious? The profit margin may end up better too.
    Mercedes makes big vans.  Maybe luxury car is all they could get from who ever donated the vehicle.).  They even make Mercedes’ rv.   
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    Re: Fr. Fullerton in Sanford Fl
    « Reply #34 on: June 01, 2022, 11:57:16 AM »
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    epiphany: I don't care about their (CM') motives.  We never would have heard about the pervert sspx priests and the priests/bishops who enabled them if it weren't for CM.  I am grateful to be better prepared to protect my family.  


    Motives aside, did Fr. Duverger behave sɛҳuąƖly, over a long period of time, as CM describes, or didn't he?  I am flabbergasted that SSPX parishioners in Sanford, who know the reported history of this priest, should have been in attendance at a Mass, no earlier than last Sunday, at which Duverger was the celebrant.  Maybe they're all just ignorant of the many charges brought against this man in the past.  This takes the Society's oft repeated "valid priests" argument to ridiculous extremes. 


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    Re: Fr. Fullerton in Sanford Fl
    « Reply #35 on: June 01, 2022, 12:17:16 PM »
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  • Motives aside, did Fr. Duverger behave sɛҳuąƖly, over a long period of time, as CM describes, or didn't he?  I am flabbergasted that SSPX parishioners [congregants] in Sanford, who know the reported history of this priest, should have been in attendance at a Mass, no earlier than last Sunday, at which Duverger was the celebrant.  Maybe they're all just ignorant of the many charges brought against this man in the past.  This takes the Society's oft repeated "valid priests" argument to ridiculous extremes.
    Only God and Fr. Duverger know.

    Sanford has/had other pervert priests in their misdt. Vernoy protected Duverger and even helped enable.  
    https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/sspx-priest-planning-defamation-lawsuit-against-church-militant-lawyer-says/

    Birds of a feather?

    I have a feeling congregants in Sanford have been beaten down so much that they don't give a rip anymore.  And it is possible they are told from the pulpit not to believe what they read on the internet, as Fr. Pfeiffer used to tell us.

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    Re: Fr. Fullerton in Sanford Fl
    « Reply #36 on: June 01, 2022, 12:24:43 PM »
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  • epiphany:
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     I have a feeling congregants in Sanford have been beaten down so much that they don't give a rip anymore.  And it is possible they are told from the pulpit not to believe what they read on the internet, as Fr. Pfeiffer used to tell us.


    The 'congregants' must give enough of a rip to show up at Mass with this guy each Sunday.  In any case, it is, apparently, (presumed) validity trumps morality.

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    Re: Fr. Fullerton in Sanford Fl
    « Reply #37 on: June 01, 2022, 12:32:43 PM »
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  • epiphany:

    The 'congregants' must give enough of a rip to show up at Mass with this guy each Sunday.  In any case, it is, apparently, (presumed) validity trumps morality.
    I suspect they don't care.  Look at how many congregants dress at mass in Sanford...  

    Vernoy and others there would be a problem for me, as well as duverger.


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    Re: Fr. Fullerton in Sanford Fl
    « Reply #38 on: June 02, 2022, 12:05:38 PM »
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  • jr1991:

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     As far as CM  is concerned, they have entirely lost their mind. They did raise some important issues about the Society, but their hatred of Catholicism is immense. Compare that with their love affair of the Novus ordo, and you have to question their motives.
    This remark is rather unhinged.  How, exactly, have Voris & Co. "entirely lost their mind?"  Simply amazing!

    Yet Jr admits that CM has raised some important issues about the Society.  Yes, I would say so- issues, by the way which the Society itself would never raise, and do their best to conceal.
    "(L)ove affair with the Novus ordo(sic)" Really?  What specific indication of any such love affair? No group so relentlessly and doggedly pursues corrupt bishops, cardinals and priests of the NO than does CM.
    Speaking of motive: I would like to know what motivates SSPX in Sanford to continue keeping Fr. Duverger within its priestly ranks, and, what is more, in positions of such prominence.  They are obviously getting away with it, but why?

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    Re: Fr. Fullerton in Sanford Fl
    « Reply #39 on: June 02, 2022, 12:24:13 PM »
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  • jr1991:
    This remark is rather unhinged.  How, exactly, have Voris & Co. "entirely lost their mind?"  Simply amazing!

    Yet Jr admits that CM has raised some important issues about the Society.

    Both can be and are true.  As I have stated, some of their information is legitimate, but much of it is not, and they have a palpable animosity against Traditional Catholicism in general (and not just the SSPX), and this animosity ... and a desire to create ratings via sensationalism ... have polluted their work.  In a way, they're doing a disservice to exposing the legitimate information by blending it with nonsense and even slander.

    I really don't undertand this binary thinking, that either everything CM says must be true or none of it is true.  In their case, some of it is true, but some isn't.  That really shouldn't be so difficult a concept.

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    Re: Fr. Fullerton in Sanford Fl
    « Reply #40 on: June 02, 2022, 12:40:55 PM »
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  • Lad: 
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    In a way, they're (CM) doing a disservice to exposing the legitimate information by blending it with nonsense and even slander.


    I Know you and others have expressed these opinions before.  But when, in the past, I have asked you to explicate, you simply ignore me and move on.  I am deeply interested in illegitimate information which CM may disseminate.  What is it? I'm listening. 
    Slander is a very serious charge.  It's actionable under law.  SSPX should take advantage of that fact.  Why haven't they? 


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    Re: Fr. Fullerton in Sanford Fl
    « Reply #41 on: June 02, 2022, 01:30:27 PM »
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  • Both can be and are true.  As I have stated, some of their information is legitimate, but much of it is not, and they have a palpable animosity against Traditional Catholicism in general (and not just the SSPX), and this animosity ... and a desire to create ratings via sensationalism ... have polluted their work.  In a way, they're doing a disservice to exposing the legitimate information by blending it with nonsense and even slander.

    I really don't undertand this binary thinking, that either everything CM says must be true or none of it is true.  In their case, some of it is true, but some isn't.  That really shouldn't be so difficult a concept.

    Exactly. In the case of  Duverger and Jassy Jacobs( I think that is her name). It looks like  Duverger was trying to hit on her and get her in bed. However, that does not rise to a criminal offense. Yes, it’s a sin, and Duverger should be reprimanded and held to account. However, CM takes liberties with the issue. Duverger is alleged of more serious wrongdoing in France; however, the authorities have said nothing.

    I’m the one who posted the link to the Black Trad. Matters “Spotlight.” In it, I said that I believed the allegations to be true even though CM likes sensationalism to get their point across.


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    Re: Fr. Fullerton in Sanford Fl
    « Reply #42 on: June 02, 2022, 05:50:59 PM »
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  •  jr1991:
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    Exactly. In the case of  Duverger and Jassy Jacobs( I think that is her name). It looks like  Duverger was trying to hit on her and get her in bed. However, that does not rise to a criminal offense. Yes, it’s a sin, and Duverger should be reprimanded and held to account. However, CM takes liberties with the issue. Duverger is alleged of more serious wrongdoing in France; however, the authorities have said nothing.

    Well, jr., you think wrong.  It is not "Jacobs,"  but 'Jacas.'  To my knowledge she never said Fr. D. was trying to get her into bed.  Even if he had, you claim, that is not a criminal offense, and, by SSPX standards of morality, would not have meant his immediate dismissal.
    Father, you say, should be reprimanded for sin.  Well, if he was, it is not evident to most of us.  Jacas first talked to Duverger in 2013.  In the intervening nine years, it does not appear that the leadership has done much to reprimand him at all about much of anything.  Fr. D. enjoys full priestly privileges.  He says Mass regularly in Sandord .  He hears confessions.  He leads youth pilgrimages He is still the principal of the boys' school to my knowledge.
    Still waiting to hear Lad tell me what  nonsense and slanderous activity CM is guilty of..  He won't, of course, because he can't.
    Maybe it's time for some of you to review the April, 2020 Christine Niles had with Jassy.  At the very least, it would help you all to get her last name straight.

    SSPX Whistleblower Speaks (churchmilitant.com)

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    Re: Fr. Fullerton in Sanford Fl
    « Reply #43 on: June 02, 2022, 06:15:50 PM »
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  • Exactly. In the case of  Duverger and Jassy Jacobs( I think that is her name). It looks like  Duverger was trying to hit on her and get her in bed. However, that does not rise to a criminal offense.

    No, CM spun it that way, but it does not look like Father Duverger was grooming her in any way.  He never so much as touched her, and for the longest time he wouldn't even respond to her e-mail (which she complained about).  He asked some bizarre questions in spiritual direction ... which may have been motivated by impure curiosity, or perhaps came from an imbalanced mind, where he fancied himself some kind of psychologist who would "cure" her of her past trauma.  But that's ALL that happened between them.  And I apologize for having to be blunt, but she's not a particularly attractive woman.  I'm sure Father Duverger could have found other options if that's what he was after.

    And yet CM smeared him as a "threat to children" ... when he had never acted inappropriately around children.  Men who are interested in women tend not to be interested in children.  So Father Duverger would have a real case for slander, except I think the SSPX would not want all the extra publicity.

    Another one who was repeatedly smeared was Father Kenneth Novak, where he was characterized as a home-wrecker, seducing women from their husbands, visiting them "at all hours of the night," etc. ... but there's absolutely zero evidence that there was any wrongdoing of the nature that was implied.

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    Re: Fr. Fullerton in Sanford Fl
    « Reply #44 on: June 02, 2022, 07:23:40 PM »
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    Lad: And yet CM smeared him (Duverger) as a "threat to children" ... when he had never acted inappropriately around children.


    You put "threat to children" in quotes, apparently referring to CM smearing him.  I've not come across that particular quote in their literature.  What is more, I am not aware that CM charged Duverger with acting "inappropriately around children."  Around young women, yes, a number of them.