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Offline JmJ2cents

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Re: Fr. Fullerton in Sanford Fl
« Reply #15 on: May 20, 2021, 04:45:27 PM »
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    • Quote from: Jr1991 on May 20, 2021, 12:15:38 PM
    Yes, it's too late. I passed by last week, and they have ripped down the crucifix statute of the Blessed Mother, etc.; it looks like a bσɱb went off—but hey, the Society was able to get what they wanted.  $1,000,000 in fundraising donations from the new Novus Ordo parishioners left temporarily without a parish after the CÖVÌD closings.
    I'm not a bit surprised.  It's all about that $$$$.  I hope the faithful get someone for the sacraments, I know it must be hard. 
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    Re: Fr. Fullerton in Sanford Fl
    « Reply #16 on: May 20, 2021, 08:57:06 PM »
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    • Quote from: JmJ2cents on May 20, 2021, 04:45:27 PM
    I'm not a bit surprised.  It's all about that $$$$.  I hope the faithful get someone for the sacraments, I know it must be hard.
    Sadly, it is. If you are going to make a move like this, the very least you can do is provide the faithful with a place to worship. It may be someone's home, a rented store at a shopping center, whatever. You can't take up and leave; It is a sin against charity.
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    Re: Fr. Fullerton in Sanford Fl
    « Reply #17 on: May 20, 2021, 09:40:30 PM »
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    • If anyone wants to read about Fr. Hopkins(God Rest his Soul), here is an excellent article about him and the now-closed Shrine.  

    https://www.remnantnewspaper.com/Archives/2011-1120-ryan-fr-hopkins.htm
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    Re: Fr. Fullerton in Sanford Fl
    « Reply #18 on: June 03, 2021, 02:46:44 PM »
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    • https://sspx.org/en/news-events/news/short-history-national-shrine-st-philomena-south-florida-66477

    Well, it looks like someone at the US District has taken notice of our comments.  The article is intended to take off the heat they are receiving, so let me make some points that were not made in the article.


    1)    The the catalyst for the merging of the two chapels was CÖVÌD-19," said Fr. Samuel Fabula, the pastor of Our Lady of Victory. "The shutdowns and restrictions for Miami in Dade County were more restrictive than those for Davie in Broward County. When the faithful of St. Philomena were denied access to the church, the decision was made to combine the two parishes at Our Lady of Victory, which is also the larger chapel."


    Governor DeSantis signed an executive order exempting places of worship from all restrictions. In other words, Churches were allowed to stay open through the limits.  A Governor's executive order Tɾυmρs any local mandate. Of course, the Archdiocese of Miami went along with the local orders and closed all parishes, and the SSPX followed.


    2) The Shrine was moved 25 miles north to Our Lady of Victory.


    While technically correct, they don't tell you that Miami-Dade County is 1,946 square miles and is the largest county in the state and is bigger than some States.  Depending on where you live, the drive can be much longer than 25 miles, and the traffic is horrific(think Los Angeles).


         3) Before CÖVÌD hit, the  Society had cut down on the number of masses offered at St. Philomena from three per week to two, so the writing was on the wall.

         4) No effort was made to accommodate many elderly who can't travel due to transportation issues, health, etc.

         5) If you make a move like this one, you need to make some accommodations for those long-time mass goers who for whatever reason can't or will not make a move to a different mass center.


    I could go on, but bottom line, it may have been a good business move, but it was uncharitable. No amount of glossing over will take that away.






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    Re: Fr. Fullerton in Sanford Fl
    « Reply #19 on: June 05, 2021, 08:32:13 PM »
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    • One more thing I want to mention. Fr. Hopkins would have never approved of this move. He was a priest who cared deeply about all his parishioners—he would go as far as seeking them out if just **one** of them missed mass to find out if something was wrong. He was tenacious when it came to protecting his flock. 

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    Re: Fr. Fullerton in Sanford Fl
    « Reply #20 on: June 05, 2021, 08:53:30 PM »
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    • Quote from: Jr1991 on May 20, 2021, 08:57:06 PM
    Sadly, it is. If you are going to make a move like this, the very least you can do is provide the faithful with a place to worship. It may be someone's home, a rented store at a shopping center, whatever. You can't take up and leave; It is a sin against charity.
    Lots of us, not just SSPX, are in the same boat.  The diocese used Covid as an excuse to shut down the mission chapel where a priest came down from Quebec three of four Sundays.  They sold the building in January and what looks to be four condo units are going up.  
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    Re: Fr. Fullerton in Sanford Fl
    « Reply #21 on: June 05, 2021, 09:27:01 PM »
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    • Quote from: Seraphina on June 05, 2021, 08:53:30 PM
    Lots of us, not just SSPX, are in the same boat.  The diocese used CÖVÌD as an excuse to shut down the mission chapel where a priest came down from Quebec three of four Sundays.  They sold the building in January and what looks to be four condo units are going up.  
    Very sad. There is no doubt they used COVID for this purpose; it doesn't matter what amount of spinning they do.    I hope you can find a new place to worship.  I have heard that the faithful in Canada under Novus Ordo Jesuit Trudeau are being brutally persecuted.
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    Re: Fr. Fullerton in Sanford Fl
    « Reply #22 on: June 05, 2021, 11:45:27 PM »
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    • Anyone else sees a trend here? This fundraising effort could have been copied and pasted from my previous post,. The similarity is striking.  COVID has been good for business for the Neo-SSPX. 


    https://www.lifefunder.com/sspx
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    Re: Fr. Fullerton in Sanford Fl
    « Reply #23 on: May 29, 2022, 10:18:54 PM »
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    • Quote from: Jr1991 on May 20, 2021, 12:17:45 PM
    See video.


    Thank you for this.
    Any info re fr. Fabula other than he is young? 
    We were just informed he will be the one coming to our outpost chapel soon.
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    Re: Fr. Fullerton in Sanford Fl
    « Reply #24 on: May 31, 2022, 11:26:34 AM »
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    • If SSPX is selling off chapels to raise money, I can suggest another possible avenue for revenue enhancement.  Why not bring a multi-million dollar suit against Church Militant for slander and defamation of character?  After all,  the Society could probably get a bundle in legal settlements for any false charges brought by CM against just Fr. Pierre Duverger alone.  If Duverger is still stationed there in Florida, and has not either left the organization or been transferred somewhere else, it seems to me that SSPX ignores a marvelous opportunity to build up its financial resources.
    Now, of course, if CM claims are true, well then, all bets are off.
    But Michael Voris, Christine Niles and CM have let it all hang out.  It's all in writing.  If Fr. D and many other SSPX priests have been slandered and defamed, it shouldn't be difficult for a good SSPX lawyer or two to exact tons of cash from CM.  In fact, they could probably put CM out of business, and secure jail sentences for prominent CM personnel. 

    SSPX Priest Dogged by French Sex Scandal (churchmilitant.com)
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    Re: Fr. Fullerton in Sanford Fl
    « Reply #25 on: May 31, 2022, 01:04:36 PM »
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    • Quote from: hollingsworth on May 31, 2022, 11:26:34 AM
    If SSPX is selling off chapels to raise money, I can suggest another possible avenue for revenue enhancement.  Why not bring a multi-million dollar suit against Church Militant for slander and defamation of character?  After all,  the Society could probably get a bundle in legal settlements for any false charges brought by CM against just Fr. Pierre Duverger alone.  If Duverger is still stationed there in Florida, and has not either left the organization or been transferred somewhere else, it seems to me that SSPX ignores a marvelous opportunity to build up its financial resources.
    Now, of course, if CM claims are true, well then, all bets are off.
    But Michael Voris, Christine Niles and CM have let it all hang out.  It's all in writing.  If Fr. D and many other SSPX priests have been slandered and defamed, it shouldn't be difficult for a good SSPX lawyer or two to exact tons of cash from CM.  In fact, they could probably put CM out of business, and secure jail sentences for prominent CM personnel.

    SSPX Priest Dogged by French Sex Scandal (churchmilitant.com)
    Since The SSPX hasn't done this, it implies that what Church Militant says is true.
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    Re: Fr. Fullerton in Sanford Fl
    « Reply #26 on: May 31, 2022, 02:26:50 PM »
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    Epiphany: Since The SSPX hasn't done this, it implies that what Church Militant says is true.


    Well, exactly.  But then I ask, why have at least two people given me a thumbs down?  What did I say that invited this reaction?  Did I say or suggest something that is irrelevant or not worthy of comment?  But you are the only one who has commented on my post thus far.
    Look, if SSPX is all about money and selling off various properties, acquired legally or otherwise, why don't they examine other avenues of income enhancement?  It just seems to me that potentially slanderous claims made about SSPX priests, not only in Florida, but throughout the various SSPX seminaries and parishes in the world, provide a wonderful opportunity for monetary enrichment.  Law suits could be an income mother lode.
      
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    Re: Fr. Fullerton in Sanford Fl
    « Reply #27 on: May 31, 2022, 02:43:05 PM »
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    • Quote from: epiphany on May 31, 2022, 01:04:36 PM
    Since The SSPX hasn't done this, it implies that what Church Militant says is true.

    It just means ENOUGH of it is true that they don't want the extra publicity that this would bring to the whole situation, and certainly a lot of it is true.
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    Re: Fr. Fullerton in Sanford Fl
    « Reply #28 on: May 31, 2022, 04:05:00 PM »
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    • Quote from: hollingsworth on May 31, 2022, 02:26:50 PM

    Look, if SSPX is all about money and selling off various properties, acquired legally or otherwise, why don't they examine other avenues of income enhancement?  It just seems to me that potentially slanderous claims made about SSPX priests, not only in Florida, but throughout the various SSPX seminaries and parishes in the world, provide a wonderful opportunity for monetary enrichment.  Law suits could be an income mother lode.
     
    "Acquired legally or otherwise"?  Are they acquiring property illegally?

    Remember, lawyers are expensive.  And if what Church Militant says is true, the SSPX will lose.

    They ARE trying other avenues of monetary enrichment:

    :facepalm:  worst idea ever
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    Re: Fr. Fullerton in Sanford Fl
    « Reply #29 on: May 31, 2022, 11:29:05 PM »
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    • Duverger is still Sanford; he celebrated Mass this past Sunday. As far as CM  is concerned, they have entirely lost their mind. They did raise some important issues about the Society, but their hatred of Catholicism is immense. Compare that with their love affair of the Novus ordo, and you have to question their motives.
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