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"Bowler is a man who believes John 3:5 as it is written."


"St. Augustine (City of God 13.7) says: "When any die for the confession of Christ without having received the washing of regeneration, it avails as much for the remission of their sins as if they had been washed in the sacred font of baptism."

St. Augustine (Tractate 74 on the Gospel of John): "He does an injury to a martyr who prays for him." This shows that martyrdom is believed to remit all sin and all punishment due to sin. Later theologians commonly maintain that the baptism of blood justifies adult martyrs independently of an act of charity or perfect contrition, and, as it were, ex opere operato, though, of course, they must have attrition for past sins. The reason is that if perfect charity, or contrition, were required in martyrdom, the distinction between the baptism of blood and the baptism of desire would be a useless one. Moreover, as it must be conceded that infant martyrs are justified without an act of charity, of which they are incapable, there is no solid reason for denying the same privilege to adults. (Cf. Francisco Suárez, De Bapt., disp. xxxix.)

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"Bowler is a man who believes John 3:5 as it is written."


"St. Augustine (City of God 13.7) says: "When any die for the confession of Christ without having received the washing of regeneration, it avails as much for the remission of their sins as if they had been washed in the sacred font of baptism."

St. Augustine (Tractate 74 on the Gospel of John): "He does an injury to a martyr who prays for him." This shows that martyrdom is believed to remit all sin and all punishment due to sin. "Later theologians commonly maintain that the baptism of blood justifies adult martyrs independently of an act of charity or perfect contrition, and, as it were, ex opere operato, though, of course, they must have attrition for past sins. The reason is that if perfect charity, or contrition, were required in martyrdom, the distinction between the baptism of blood and the baptism of desire would be a useless one. Moreover, as it must be conceded that infant martyrs are justified without an act of charity, of which they are incapable, there is no solid reason for denying the same privilege to adults. (Cf. Francisco Suárez, De Bapt., disp. xxxix.)

Suarez thought that, but St. Augustine taught otherwise:

Why did you leave that quote out?:

St. Augustine: “If you wish to be a Catholic, do not venture to believe, to say, or to teach that they whom the Lord has predestinated for baptism can be snatched away from his predestination, or die before that has been accomplished in them which the Almighty has predestined.’ There is in such a dogma more power than I can tell assigned to chances in opposition to the power of God, by the occurrence of which casualties that which He has predestinated is not permitted to come to pass. It is hardly necessary to spend time or earnest words in cautioning the man who takes up with this error against the absolute vortex of confusion into which it will absorb him, when I shall sufficiently meet the case if I briefly warn the prudent man who is ready to receive correction against the threatening mischief.” (On the Soul and Its Origin 3, 13)

I left that quote out simply because you had already included it in your previous post. Taken all together, and if you do not even take any other theologians into account, you must admit baptism of desire and blood along with that of water. This has been settled for a very long time.

From La Porte Latine (Google Translation)

Press the District of France
Suresnes, February 21, 2014
 

Father Régis de Cacqueray ,
District Superior of France

Press the Abbe de Cacqueray:
my second term ends August 15, 2014
 
 
 
February 21, Bishop Bernard Fellay , Superior General of the Fraternity , told me that August 15, 2014, when I complete my second term as Superior of the District of France , is Fr. Christian Bouchacourt to replace me in my position.
 
Currently the Superior District South America , Father Christian Bouchacourt is well known and appreciated by the priests and faithful of France.
 
Ordained in 1986, he was particularly prior priories of St. Francis Regis Unieux, the Chapel of St. Germaine de Wagram and the church of Saint-Nicolas du Chardonnet.
 
Now we welcome him and we assure all our prayers to the Sorrowful and Immaculate Heart of Mary.
 
Father Régis de Cacqueray , District Superior of France

Now that the "conservative" Fr. de Cacqueray will be replaced with Fr. Christian Bouchacourt, an outright "yes-man", the French District will now come to see the true progressiveness of Bishop Fellay.

Thanks for the chess move your Excellency...that will help our cause.

"Bowler is a man who believes John 3:5 as it is written."


"St. Augustine (City of God 13.7) says: "When any die for the confession of Christ without having received the washing of regeneration, it avails as much for the remission of their sins as if they had been washed in the sacred font of baptism."

St. Augustine (Tractate 74 on the Gospel of John): "He does an injury to a martyr who prays for him." This shows that martyrdom is believed to remit all sin and all punishment due to sin. Later theologians commonly maintain that the baptism of blood justifies adult martyrs independently of an act of charity or perfect contrition, and, as it were, ex opere operato, though, of course, they must have attrition for past sins. The reason is that if perfect charity, or contrition, were required in martyrdom, the distinction between the baptism of blood and the baptism of desire would be a useless one. Moreover, as it must be conceded that infant martyrs are justified without an act of charity, of which they are incapable, there is no solid reason for denying the same privilege to adults. (Cf. Francisco Suárez, De Bapt., disp. xxxix.)

Can you not restrain yourself from hawking the universal salvation offerings on an unrelated thread?
Who needs Baptism? for that matter, who needs the Church?
Heaven help us!

I'm surprised. I thought I had read on this forum that Fr Daniel Couture was to be the next Superior of France. Couture, at least, would ensure that all airlines flying out of France would remain solvent.

Is there any word of Fr. de Cacqueray's new post?