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Fr. Davide Pagliarani interview to La Porte Latine.
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  • Wonderful solid teaching and holy reflections from the Superior General of the SSPX a few months ago. I don't think this was posted before, was it? Anyway, do people actually think this holy Priest who leads and directs us has any other motive than the glory of God and the Salvation of souls? https://angeluspress.org/blogs/tradition/an-exclusive-interview-with-father-davide-pagliarani

    Father Davide Pagliarani, Superior General of the Society of Saint Pius X, granted an exclusive interview to La Porte Latine, in which he recalls the fruitfulness of the Cross for vocations and families. He insists particularly on the need to keep the authentic spirit of our founder, Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, “a spirit of love for the Faith and truth, for souls and for the Church”, when faced with the recent canonization of Paul VI and the promotion of synodality in the Church.


    “THE FUTURE OF THE CHURCH AND VOCATIONS IS IN FAMILIES WHERE THE PARENTS HAVE PLANTED OUR BLESSED LORD’S CROSS.”

    La Porte Latine – It has now been five months since you were elected Superior General of the Society of Saint Pius X, for a twelve-year mandate. These five months have certainly allowed you to make a short overview of the work, founded by Archbishop Lefebvre, complementing your already rich personal experience. What general impression have you made and have you drawn up your first priorities for the coming years? 

    The Society is a work of God, and the more we discover it, the more we love it. Two things strike me most in discovering the Society’s labours. Firstly, the providential character of the Society: it is the result of the result of choices and decisions of a saint, guided only by a supernatural and “prophetic” prudence, whose wisdom we appreciate even more as the years go by and as the crisis in the Church gets worse. Secondly, I have been able to see that we are not some privileged people, whom God has spared: He sanctifies all our members and our faithful through failures, trials, disappointments, and in a nutshell, through the Cross - and not by any other means. 


    VOCATIONS COME FROM HOMES WHERE THERE IS NO SPIRIT OF BITTERNESS OR CRITICISM TOWARDS PRIESTS.

    La Porte Latine– With 65 new seminarians this year, the Society holds a new record of entries into its seminaries over the past thirty years. You were Rector of the La Reja Seminary (Argentina) for almost six years. How do you intend to foster the development of even more numerous and stronger vocations? 

    I am convinced that the true solution to increase the number of vocations and their perseverance, does not reside primarily in human and, so to speak, “technical” means, such as newsletters, apostolic visits or publicity. First of all, a vocation needs to hatch in a home where Our Blessed Lord, with his Cross and His priesthood, is loved. A home where there is no spirit of bitterness or criticism towards priests. It is through osmosis, through contact with truly Catholic parents and priests deeply imbued with the spirit of Our Lord Jesus Christ that a vocation awakens. It is at this level that we must continue to work with all our strength. A vocation is never the result of speculative reasoning, or from a lesson we have received, with which we intellectually agree. These elements can help someone
     answer God’s call, but only if we follow what we said earlier.

    La Porte Latine– On October 14th, Pope Francis canonized the Pope who personally signed all the documents of the Second Vatican Council, the Pope of the New Mass, the Pope whose pontificate was marked by 80,000 priests abandoning their priesthood. What does this canonization mean for you?

    This canonization must call us to a profound reflection, far beyond the emotions of the media that only lasted a few hours and left no deep traces, neither among its supporters nor its opponents. On the contrary, after a few weeks that singular emotion risks turning everyone to indifference. We must be careful not to fall into these traps.


    Firstly, it seems to me quite obvious that with the beatifications or canonizations of all the popes since John XXIII, they have tried, in a certain way, to “canonize” the Council, the new conception of the Church and of Christian life, as established by the Council and promoted by all recent popes.
    This is an unprecedented phenomenon in the history of the Church. The Church, after the Council of Trent, never dreamed of canonizing all the popes without distinction, from Paul III to Sixtus V. She canonized only Saint Pius V, and not simply because of his links with the Council of Trent, or of its application, but because of his personal holiness, proposed as a model to the whole Church and put at the service of the Church as Pope.

    The phenomenon we are currently witnessing makes us think rather of the renaming of roads and city centres, in the aftermath of a revolution or a change of regime. However, it is necessary to interpret this canonization also in the light of the present state of the Church, because the eagerness to canonize the Popes of the Council is a relatively recent phenomenon and was seen most clearly with the almost immediate canonization of John Paul II.

    This determination to “hurry things up”, shows once again the fragility in which the Post Vatican II Church, is currently situated. Regardless of whether you agree or not, the Council is seen as outdated by the ultra-progressive wing and by the pseudo-reformers, one example being the German episcopate. And on the other hand, the conservatives are forces to admit, by the proof of current circumstances, that the Council has triggered a process that is leading the Church towards increased sterility. Faced with this seemingly irreversible process, it is normal that the current hierarchy, through these canonizations, is trying to restore a certain value to the Council and thus slow down the inexorable tendency of concrete facts.

    To make an analogy with civil society, every time a regime is in crisis and becomes aware of it, it tries to rediscover the country’s Constitution, its sacredness, its durability, its transcendent value… Whereas, in reality, it is a sign that everything that comes from this Constitution and that is based on it, is in peril of death and that one must try to save it by all possible means. History proves that these measures are generally insufficient to revive what has had its day.

    ONLY THE SOCIETY CAN HELP THE CHURCH, IN REMINDING IT THAT IT IS A MONARCHY AND NOT A CHAOTIC MODERN ASSEMBLY

    La Porte Latine– Three years ago (on October 17th, 2015), Pope Francis delivered an important address promoting “synodality” in the Church, inviting the bishops “to listen to God, so that with him we may hear the cry of his people; to listen to his people until we are in harmony with the will to which God calls us”. According to his own words, (Address of 25/11/2017), it was based on this new synodality, that he promulgated the new laws simplifying the procedure of nullity of marriage, and also that he wrote Amoris Laetitia,as a result of the synod on the family. Do you recognise in this the voice of the Holy Ghost? What can you tell us about this new expression used today by the authorities of the Church?

    The cyclical debate on synodality is nothing more than the repositioning in Post-Conciliar times, the Council’s doctrine on collegiality and the problems it has created in the Church.


    In fact, they speak about it very often, even in debates that have other objectives or deal with other topics. One recent example was during the last synod on youth, where the subject was mentioned for the umpteenth time. This shows that the hierarchy has not yet found a satisfactory solution – and this is inevitable, since the problem is insoluble.
    Indeed, collegiality places the Church in a permanent situation of a quasi-council, with the utopia of being able to govern the Universal Church with the participation of all the bishops of the world. This has provoked, from the national Episcopal Conferences, a demand for systematic and insatiable decentralisation, which will never end. We are faced with a kind of class-struggle by the bishops, that has produced, in some Episcopal Conferences, a spirit that could be defined as pre-schismatic. Again I am thinking of the German episcopate, which offers an example of all the current deformations. Rome is in a stalemate. On the one hand, concerning the Episcopal Conferences, she must try to save what she can of her undermined authority. On the other hand, she cannot reject the conciliar doctrine or its consequences, without bringing into question the authority of the Council, and consequently the basis of current ecclesiology. In reality, they all continue to advance in the same direction, albeit at different speeds.
    The ongoing debates manifest this underlying discontent, and especially the fact that this revolutionary doctrine is fundamentally contrary to the monarchical nature of the Church. A satisfactory solution can never be found, as long as the problem is not definitively rejected.

    It is paradoxical, but only the Society can help the Church, in reminding the popes and the bishops that Our Blessed Lord founded a monarchical Church and not a chaotic modern assembly. The day will come when this message will be heard. But, for the moment, it is our duty to keep this deep sense of the Church and its hierarchy, despite the battlefield and ruins that lay before our eyes.

    La Porte Latine– How can the Church correct the errors of the Council? After fifty years, is it realistic to think that it will happen?

    From a purely human point of view, it is not realistic to think so, because we have a completely reformed Church, in every aspect of her life, without exception. There is a new conception of faith and of Christian life that has generated, on a daily basis and in a coherent manner, a new way of understanding and of living the Church. Humanly speaking, going back is impossible.

    But perhaps we forget too often that the Church is fundamentally divine, despite the fact that she is incarnated in men and in the history of men. One day, a pope, against all expectations and against all human calculations, will take things in hand and all that needs to be corrected, will be corrected, because the Church is divine and Our Blessed Lord will never abandon her. In fact, he says exactly that when he solemnly promised that “the gates of hell shall not prevail against it” (Matt. 16:18). The beauty of the divinity of the Church will be all the stronger, since the current situation seems irreversible.

    La Porte Latine– 2018 was the thirtieth anniversary of the Episcopal Consecrations at Econe, conferred by Archbishop Lefebvre, in his extraordinary “Operation Survival” for Tradition. Do you consider that this act was unique by nature and that it was successful, in the sense that today other bishops agree to confer ordinations and administer confirmations in the traditional rite, or do you think that, as the years go by, other consecrations may need to be considered?

    The future of the Society is in the hands of Divine Providence. It is up to us to discern the signs, in the same way as our founder did, faithfully, without ever wanting to anticipate or ignore Divine Providence. We have here, the most beautiful lesson given to us by Archbishop Lefebvre, and many of those who did not understand him at the time, have gradually reversed their judgements on him.


    THE TRUE SPIRIT OF OUR FOUNDER: A SPIRIT OF LOVE FOR THE FAITH AND TRUTH, FOR SOULS AND FOR THE CHURCH, IN A SPIRIT OF GENUINE CHARITY BETWEEN OUR MEMBERS.

    La Porte Latine – The District of France is the oldest and the largest district, even if it is now closely followed by the US District. What are the human, material and apostolic priorities that you have set for the new superior, Father de Jorna, who was the Rector of the Econe Seminary, for 22 years?

    The various priorities can be summed up in a few words. The new District Superior has the beautiful task of ensuring that the true spirit, bequeathed to us by our founder, reigns in all our houses and in all the members of the Society: a spirit of love for the Faith and truth, for souls and for the Church, and in particular, all that flows from it: a spirit of genuine Charity between our members. Insofar as we keep this spirit, we will have a good influence on souls and the Society will continue to attract many vocations.


    La Porte Latine – What a beautiful and exciting program he has! However, it is necessary for the faithful to associate themselves fully with it. You saw them come in their thousands for the recent pilgrimage to Lourdes, during which you celebrated the Solemn High Mass on the Feast of Christ the King. What do you ask of them? What do you offer them?

    I was profoundly touched when I saw pilgrims of all ages in Lourdes, and in particular, many families, and many children. This pilgrimage is truly remarkable and also very significant. It reminds us that the future of the Church and vocations is in families where the parents have planted Our Blessed Lord’s Cross. Indeed, it is only Our Lord’s Cross, and the generosity that results from it, that produces large families. In front of our selfish and apostate society, chastised by its own sterility, there is no nobler and more precious testimony than that of a young mother surrounded by her children, like a crown. The world may choose not to listen to our sermons, but it cannot help but see this magnificent sight. It also is true for the Society. Ultimately, and I say it again, it is the same ideal of the Cross, which calls a soul to consecrate itself to God and which calls a mother to consecrate herself generously and unreservedly to the education and sanctification of all the children that Divine Providence wishes to entrust to her.


    Finally, this pilgrimage also reminds us, and above all, that any revival can only happen under the mantle of the Blessed Virgin Mary, because in the current desert, there is no place in the world that continues to attract souls as much as Lourdes.


    To the faithful of France, I say quite simply: remember that those who preceded you were fighters and crusaders, miles Christi, and that the current battle for the defence of the faith and the Church is without doubt the most important that history has ever known.

    Happy and Holy New Year for 2019!
    (Sources: Maison générale - La Porte Latine - FSSPX.Actualités - 28/12/2018)
    Do make Acts of Consecration to the Twin Hearts, Spiritual Offerings of the Precious Blood of Jesus in Union with the Holy Mass, like in St. Gertrude's Chaplet, along with Spiritual Communions at least every hour. The Saints say Spiritual Communions are a way to quickly advance to Union with God.

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    Re: Fr. Davide Pagliarani interview to La Porte Latine.
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  • ..."do people actually think this holy Priest who leads and directs us has any other motive than the glory of God and the Salvation of souls?"

    Sure do!















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    without ever wanting to anticipate or ignore Divine Providence
    We have heard these words many times over the last six years from the superiors of the SSPX, especially the superiors general. We know what they mean: being ready to place the SSPX under the authority of the modernists who are destroying the Church as soon as they tell us we no longer have to sign on to the Council or the New Mass. And we will trust them. And we will know it could not be a trap. And we will know it is a sign from Providence, more so if it happens after a Rosary crusade!
    Xaviersem, no doubt Fr Pagliarani is a good man who says many fine things, Bishop Williamson has said as much in one of his sermons. The fact remains, however, that the Society is now prepared, with this Superior General as with Bishop Fellay, to place themselves in the hands of those who want to destroy them, those who are demolishing the Church, the very thing they had always taught us would lead us to lose the Faith. The Society of today is condemned by the Society of yesterday, it is not difficult. "We cannot sign some practical agreement with neomodernist Rome because we would be drawn into a slippery slope of compromise and will slowly but surely lose the Faith" - Fr Le Roux, Auriesville Pilgrimage 2005. How many similar statements can we not find from all the SSPX superiors, it was their constant teaching. So all these words from Fr Pagliarani, beautiful Catholic sentiments, are laid on a foundation of sand.
    Furthermore, where was this "spirit of genuine charity between our members" when Bishop Williamson was thrown out on the street? When the Dominicans were refused ordination of their candidates for refusing to accept Menzingen's new Roman policy? When Dom Tomas Aquinas was commanded to stand down as abbot in favour of an accordist, and deprived of all spiritual and material support for refusing?...

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    Re: Fr. Davide Pagliarani interview to La Porte Latine.
    « Reply #3 on: March 11, 2019, 02:31:37 AM »
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  • THE NEO-FSSPX ALWAYS AMBIGUOUS




    "YOUR LANGUAGE IS YES YES, NO NO; FOR WHAT HAPPENS FROM THIS COMES FROM THE EVIL " (MT 5,37)

    SINCE THE START OF THE VATICAN II FATÍDICO, THE AMBIGUITY IS DESTROYING THE CHURCH. IT IS MAINLY BECAUSE OF THE AMBIGUITY , WHICH AMONG THE CATHOLIC MENUSES THAT "DIABOLIC DISORIENTATION" OF WHICH SOR LUCÍA DE FÁTIMA SPEAKED. 

    IN ORDER TO CONTINUE RESISING FIRMLY IN FAITH, FOR THE FSSPX IT WAS ESSENTIAL TO REMAIN OUT OF THAT FATAL AMBIGUITY . AND FOR THAT, HE WAS ABLE TO OBEY THE LAST WILL OF MONS. LEFEBVRE REGARDING RELATIONS WITH LIBERAL AND MODERNIST ROME: 

    "IT IS A STRICT DUTY, FOR EVERY PRIEST WHO WANTS TO REMAIN CATHOLIC, TO SEPARATE FROM THIS CHURCH TO CONCILIATE, WHILE SHE DOES NOT RETURN TO THE TRADITION OF THE MASTERY OF THE CHURCH AND CATHOLIC FAITH" ("SPIRITUAL ITINERARY", 1990). 

    UNTIL THE CHAPTER OF 2006, WHICH DECLARED IMPOSSIBLE A PRACTICAL AGREEMENT WITHOUT PREVIOUS CONVERSION OF ROME, THE FRATERNITY COULD KEEP TO SAFEGUARD FROM THE SUCCESSFULAMBIGUITY STRATEGY WITH WHICH THE DEMON DIVES ALL CATHOLICISM.

    BUT AT LEAST SINCE THE YEAR 2012, THE FRATERNITY WAS SET BY ITS SAME SUPERIORS IN THAT DISASTEROUS AMBIGUITY.

    AN EXAMPLE:

    1. ON FEBRUARY 24, THE FSSPX PUBLISHES AN INTELLIGENT COMMUNIQUE AGAINST HERÉTICA DECLARATION ON THE "HUMAN FRATERNITY" SIGNED BY THE POPE AND A HIGH REPRESENTATIVE OF THE FALSE MAHOMETANA RELIGION ON FEBRUARY 4.

    2. BUT ALMOST AT THE SAME TIME, THE PREVIOUS DAY, A PRIEST CAPUCHINO DE MORGÓN (DEPENDENT COMMUNITY OF THE FSSPX REGARDING THE ORDINATIONS AND SOME OTHER ASPECTS) OFFICIATED THE MASS IN THE CELEBRATION OF A MARRIAGE IN WHICH THE CONSENT WAS RECEIVED BY A PRIEST NOVUS ORDO, ACCORDING TO THE TERMS OF THE NEFANDO AGREEMENT ON MARRIAGES OF APRIL 1917, BETWEEN ROMA BERGOGLIANA AND THE FSSPX (THE FACT IS CONFIRMED, MORE BACKGROUND HERE )

    3. AND ONLY 5 DAYS LATER, ON MARCH 1, GERMANY'S FSSPX PUBLISHES, IN ITS MONTHLY NEWSLETTER, AN ARTICLE IN WHICH THE PRIEST DIRECTOR OF THE INSTITUTE OF THE SWISS FSSPX WHERE FROM APRIL HE WILL RESIDE MONS. HOUNDER (LIBERAL BISHOP AND THAT, BY ADDITION, DOES NOT HIDE THAT HE HAS RECEIVED THE MISSION TO MAKE A BRIDGE BETWEEN APOSTATE ROME AND FRATERNITY), DECLARES, AMONG OTHER THINGS, THE FOLLOWING: " IT IS GREAT TO BE ABLE TO OFFER A HOME TO A BISHOP. "
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    SOURCE

    Today, the FSSPX of Germany has published an article about Bishop Huonder in his monthly bulletin.

    It is not yet on the web, but only in the paper version (which can be found in digital format on the site of the German FSSPX):



    ARTICLE TRANSLATION:

    The report that Vitus Huonder would retire to Wangs after his time as bishop of Chur is accurate, spokesman Giuseppe Gracia told "Sarganserländer" on Tuesday, according to "Die Ostschweiz". "This step is related to the mandate of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith in Rome to Bishop Vitus Huonder, to maintain contact with the Society of St. Pius X," explains the bishop's spokesman. The institute in which Huonder will spend the rest of his life belongs to the Fraternity of St. Pius X, who is considered conservative.Bishop Huonder, 76, should resign   as bishop of Chur in April. He had already offered his resignation to the Pope in the spring of 2017 for reasons of age. The Pope had given his consent, but only since the Easter of the current year. The Sancta Maria Institute, the secondary school for children with boarding school in Wangs, Switzerland, will welcome a new important resident after Easter: Bishop Vitus Huonder. The outgoing bishop of Chur will spend his retirement there. On January 23, 2019, the newspaper "Sargansländer" published an article by Denise Allig, which can be printed here in a slightly abbreviated version.Father Firmin Suter, Director of the Sancta Maria Institute and Priest of the Pius X Priestly Fraternity since 2006, expressed yesterday, answering a question, his joy at the arrival of Bishop Huonder on behalf of the entire community. "Yes, it is a great joy and a special honor for all of us, " said Father Firmin.
    Bishop Huonder had already introduced himself to the students and had won their sympathies because he was an open-hearted and outspoken bishop, explains Father Suter. It's great to be able to offer a home to a bishop like that. They never dared to dream about that. "" When Bishop Vitus Huonder contacted us for the first time, we asked ourselves about the possible reason for his call, " continues the priest. "In a personal conversation, he expressed the desire to spend the rest of his life with us."
    Modest desires for a new residence.
    Bishop Huonder expressed no desire for his new home. "His only wish was to be able to move to a room in our high school where there was room for a desk and a bookshelf ," Father Suter said. By the way, he has a small bedroom with bathroom and shower and a bedroom as a desk. There is no television or internet.
    How will Huonder's future place of residence be equipped? "Bishop Huonder's office has a balcony, TV and Internet access are not provided, I think he prefers to spend a few hours in front of the Blessed Sacrament in the chapel instead of in front of a screen," Father Firmin explains.
    On the future of the life of Bishop Huonder, he said that fraternity is a priestly society with community life: "Our priests cultivate common prayer, liturgy, meals in community and also exchanges on all kinds of topics ." Normally, the day of Bishop Huonder in the future will look like this: 6.15 am: Prima, 6.40 am: Holy Mass, 7.30 am: breakfast; 12.15 pm Sixth. After lunch: 6.30 pm: Rosario. After dinner: 8.30 pm: Full.
    Between that, he will find plenty of time for study, prayer, contemplation and conversation. Father Suter also pointed out that the moments of adoration in the chapel of Fatima are public. "Those who want to make the experience of a Latin Mass can come willingly."



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  • It is paradoxical, but only the Society can help the Church, in reminding the popes and the bishops that Our Blessed Lord founded a monarchical Church and not a chaotic modern assembly. The day will come when this message will be heard. But, for the moment, it is our duty to keep this deep sense of the Church and its hierarchy, despite the battlefield and ruins that lay before our eyes.

    Fr. Pagliarani states above that only the Society can help the Church, in reminding popes and bishops that our Blessed Lord founded a monarchical Church and not a chaotic modern assembly.

    My question is: when is the last time that Fr. Pagliarani reminded Pope Francis that Our Lord founded a monarchial Church, and not a chaotic modern assembly?
    When has Bp. Fellay reminded Pope Francis of this same thing? Or how about reminding all of those novus ordo bishops who like to visit the SSPX? Have they reminded Bp. Huonder of this?  Maybe they have, but I see no evidence of it.

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    This canonization must call us to a profound reflect"ion, far beyond the emotions of the media that only lasted a few hours and left no deep traces, neither among its supporters nor its opponents.

    First of all, we're talking about 'these canonizations,' which include JP2, John XIII and Paul VI.  I don't think it takes much "profound reflection" to arrive at the conclusion that these popes were not saints by any stretch of the imagination.  So all I can say to the SG is, "Please cut the crap!" 

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    Furthermore, where was this "spirit of genuine charity between our members" when Bishop Williamson was thrown out on the street? When the Dominicans were refused ordination of their candidates for refusing to accept Menzingen's new Roman policy? When Dom Tomas Aquinas was commanded to stand down as abbot in favour of an accordist, and deprived of all spiritual and material support for refusing?...

    You know, maybe PV is not such a nut after all.  He asks the right questions.  Fr. Pagliarani's characterization of members  exhibiting the "spirit of genuine charity" is such a pile of manure that the fumes from it leave one's eyes watering.


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  • .."do people actually think this holy Priest who leads and directs us has any other motive than the glory of God and the Salvation of souls?"

    More reasons we do:






    Krah is a member of hasbara and other jewish links:
    http://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2015/06/a-catholic-working-for-hasbara.html?m=1

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  • .."do people actually think this holy Priest who leads and directs us has any other motive than the glory of God and the Salvation of souls?"

    More reasons we do:






    Krah is a member of hasbara and other jewish links:
    http://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2015/06/a-catholic-working-for-hasbara.html?m=1
    How on God's green earth does this get a thumbs down?

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  • Truly a picture is worth a thousand words.
    Indeed. Here's to another thousand words...."through the fractal glass we see that which is more akin to reality. . ."


     

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