Author Topic: Fr Marshall Roberts with the Resistance (Read 27185 times)

Matthew · « **Reply #75 on:** May 18, 2015, 04:03:18 PM »

Quote from: Elizabeth

The Conciliar Church is in tatters, but harboring sɛҳuąƖ perverts had nothing to do with it?

Shuffling priests with CURRENT PROBLEMS around, into a PARISH SETTING is clearly imprudent and wrong.

What is being discussed here is clearly different for 3 reasons:

1. The length of time elapsed between the (alleged) crime and today
2. The gravity of the original crime committed
3. The situation the priest is being moved TO, e.g., a rented facility for a quick 1-hour Resistance Mass, or a seminary/boys school/N.O. parish where there are TONS of opportunities to "relapse" or even repeat-offend with no contrition in between.

It's a tempest in a teapot. We're not talking about letting priests with a past have "free reign" or go "at large". We're talking about giving them limited priest duties, given the unprecedented need Catholics have today for Catholic priests faithful to Tradition.

At the very least, it's a prudential decision. There is no Church law that says "If a priest so much as propositions another male, he is DONE! Mandatory penance in a monastery for life."

You criticize Bishop Williamson's decision, but you want us to accept your decision. On whose authority? Your authority/wisdom is somehow better than the good Bishop's?

I trust Bishop Williamson. Yes, I indeed have an ounce of trust left in my heart, even in this horrible Crisis where so many have been betrayed so often (first by Vatican II, then by Bishop Fellay, etc.)

I'm sorry that you don't have ANY clerics or bishops left that you can trust. It must be a very sad world that you live in.

Anyhow, I don't have any say in this matter, so we can disagree until the cows come home. I gave my opinion and my advice, for what it's worth.

To each his own opinion.

Matthew · « **Reply #76 on:** May 18, 2015, 04:14:50 PM »

Quote from: stbrighidswell

Now onto the next gem, you say he did not say what I said he said because I used the word 'albeit', let me say again that I had not time to look up my emails again as I am grabbing 5 mins here and there but my quote should have read 'depriving itself unnecessarily of the regular monthly services of a good priest, flawed though he maybe'

I owe you an apology on this point.

I should have looked up the e-mail. Apparently my memory isn't what it used to be. I just read it last week, and I didn't remember that part. I should have looked it up before I accused you of adding something.

However, the other parts about you being over-emotional stand. You seem to be very emotional about this particular issue.

I'm no friend of sodomites -- the very concept turns my stomach. But I (and those I love) haven't been touched by their filth personally, so perhaps I lack a bit of fervor in the fight against them. I treat it intellectually as a grave error and moral disorder that corrupts deeply. Even though I'm very emotional usually, I'm able to deal with this issue in a manner that is so detached I'm actually a bit surprised at myself.

I just don't understand what a once-tainted priest is going to do at a 1 hour Resistance Mass. No one has given me any reasoning why I should be avoiding such Masses today. That, by the way, is all +Williamson advised -- that the faithful attend his Masses.

And for those of you who hate +W, or want to lynch him, or discredit him, etc. you should also consider that I haven't heard from +W or anyone close to him that I should "close down this thread". So he's not on some kind of campaign to shelter homos. So I don't see any red flags.

As far as I know, he made a prudential decision, one that I not only agree with but I see his reasoning and it makes sense to my rational brain.

Like I said, you're free to disagree and follow your own prudence and advice, but you can't act like yours is infallible while I'm somehow "wrong".

Matthew · « **Reply #77 on:** May 18, 2015, 04:29:46 PM »

This thread could go on forever. It's an emotional topic (in this thread, people could literally say: "Think of the children!") and emotions are running about as thick as the humid air in south-central Texas today.

Every Catholic is welcome to support whatever priest(s), bishop(s) and group(s) that he wishes. Each man is free to choose his own actions, and deal with the consequences (good or evil).

Where there is trust (or love, for that matter) there is a potential for betrayal, heartbreak, and disappointment. Isn't it then expedient that we cease trusting and loving, that we might not have to know betrayal, heartbreak, and disappointment? Again, that is for each man to decide.

What Mass center, priest, group, etc. you support is only a question of PRUDENCE. Prudence is the queen of the moral virtues, just as Charity is queen of all the virtues.

God hasn't appeared to any member on this forum to tell him exactly what-is-what about this or any other issue in Catholicism! That leaves us with only one other option -- applying our fallible human reason to what we KNOW and trying to draw prudential conclusions from those known truths -- such as an answer to the question "What should we do?"

Author Topic: Fr Marshall Roberts with the Resistance (Read 27185 times)

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Fr Marshall Roberts with the Resistance