Send CathInfo's owner Matthew a gift from his Amazon wish list:
https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls/25M2B8RERL1UO

« previous next »
Pages: [1] 2

Author Topic: Fr. David Hewko's Statement on the Episcopal Consecration of Fr. Pfeiffer  (Read 3071 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline thebloodycoven

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 72
  • Reputation: +84/-13
  • Gender: Male
Fr. David Hewko's Statement on the Episcopal Consecration of Fr. Pfeiffer
« on: July 30, 2020, 09:27:39 PM »
  • Thanks!1
  • No Thanks!1
    • +
    M

    JULY 30, 2020
    “Then Jesus saith to them: All you shall be scandalized in Me this night. For it is written: ‘I will strike the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock shall be dispersed.’” (St. Matthew 26:31)
     
    This is a brief Statement denouncing the consecration of Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer by “Bishop” Neal Webster. This is a scandal for Holy Mother Church, the true Catholic Resistance and for the vocations at OLMC in Boston, Kentucky.
     
    Let it be known that Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre would absolutely condemn this action and express, once again, the doubtfulness of the Thuc line of bishops, let alone any connection with Palmar de Troya in Spain, who have elected their own pope decades ago.
     
    Let it be known that the priestly line of “Bishop” Webster is from: Bishop Thuc, to Clemente ("Pope" Gregory XVII!), Terrason, Hennenberry, to Webster.
     
    The episcopal lineage is from: Bishop Thuc to Des Lauries to McKenna to Slupski to Webster.
     
    “Bishop” Neal Webster is also a public supporter of the Feeneyite position on the denial of the Baptism of Blood and Desire (“Votum”;), which contradicts the constant Magisterium of the Church.
     
    Once again, let us beg Our Lady of the Holy Rosary to crush the Church’s enemies. Let us hold the clear position of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre always faithful to Mother Church, her Traditional Magisterium, the Traditional Sacraments and the categorical refusal of doubtful sacraments and dangers to the Faith!
     
    Once again, we see the sad casualties of a Pope and hierarchy failing in their duty! Indeed, when the shepherd is struck the sheep scatter!
     
    In Christ the King,
     
    Fr. David Hewko

    https://www.therecusant.com/apps/blog/show/48837769
    Logged

    Offline Pax Vobis

    • Supporter
    • *****
    • Posts: 10299
    • Reputation: +6212/-1742
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Fr. David Hewko's Statement on the Episcopal Consecration of Fr. Pfeiffer
    « Reply #1 on: July 30, 2020, 09:31:41 PM »
  • Thanks!1
  • No Thanks!0
    •  :facepalm:  Some truth here, some non-truth.
    Logged

    Offline donkath

    • Full Member
    • ***
    • Posts: 1517
    • Reputation: +616/-116
    • Gender: Female
      • h
    Re: Fr. David Hewko's Statement on the Episcopal Consecration of Fr. Pfeiffer
    « Reply #2 on: July 30, 2020, 10:27:41 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on July 30, 2020, 09:31:41 PM
    :facepalm:  Some truth here, some non-truth.


    Would love you to elaborate Pax.
    Logged
    "In His wisdom," says St. Gregory, "almighty God preferred rather to bring good out of evil than never allow evil to occur."

    Offline Francisco

    • Full Member
    • ***
    • Posts: 1150
    • Reputation: +843/-18
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Fr. David Hewko's Statement on the Episcopal Consecration of Fr. Pfeiffer
    « Reply #3 on: July 31, 2020, 06:12:26 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!1
    • Quote from: donkath on July 30, 2020, 10:27:41 PM

    Would love you to elaborate Pax.
    Let me try:
    The sentiments expressed by most here would it have been Fr Chazal who got himself bishopped/episcopalized or whatever, would have been the exact opposite.And there would be no Winona Latinists or audio/visual scrutinizers.
    Logged

    Offline Kolar

    • Newbie
    • *
    • Posts: 81
    • Reputation: +52/-22
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Fr. David Hewko's Statement on the Episcopal Consecration of Fr. Pfeiffer
    « Reply #4 on: July 31, 2020, 06:57:57 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
    • If Fr. Chazal were consecrated by a doubtful bishop it would be questioned. If he were consecrated by Bishop Williamson it would not be questioned.
    Fr. Pfeiffer has had nothing but doubtful bishops for awhile. Ambrose and now Webster. Palmer de Troya separated from the Catholic Church decades ago.
    Logged

    Offline Tradman

    • Full Member
    • ***
    • Posts: 1247
    • Reputation: +786/-271
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Fr. David Hewko's Statement on the Episcopal Consecration of Fr. Pfeiffer
    « Reply #5 on: July 31, 2020, 07:31:02 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
    • Someone please explain specifics about the doubt of this Bishop Webster.   
    Logged

    Offline Tradman

    • Full Member
    • ***
    • Posts: 1247
    • Reputation: +786/-271
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Fr. David Hewko's Statement on the Episcopal Consecration of Fr. Pfeiffer
    « Reply #6 on: July 31, 2020, 08:13:03 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
    • Quote from: Tradman on July 31, 2020, 07:31:02 AM
    Someone please explain specifics about the doubt of this Bishop Webster.  
    Never mind, I found another thread. 
    Logged

    Offline Venantius0518

    • Jr. Member
    • **
    • Posts: 277
    • Reputation: +62/-27
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Fr. David Hewko's Statement on the Episcopal Consecration of Fr. Pfeiffer
    « Reply #7 on: July 31, 2020, 09:50:44 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
    • Quote from: thebloodycoven on July 30, 2020, 09:27:39 PM
    +
    M

    JULY 30, 2020
    “Then Jesus saith to them: All you shall be scandalized in Me this night. For it is written: ‘I will strike the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock shall be dispersed.’” (St. Matthew 26:31)

    This is a brief Statement denouncing the consecration of Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer by “Bishop” Neal Webster. This is a scandal for Holy Mother Church, the true Catholic Resistance and for the vocations at OLMC in Boston, Kentucky.
     
    Let it be known that Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre would absolutely condemn this action and express, once again, the doubtfulness of the Thuc line of bishops, let alone any connection with Palmar de Troya in Spain, who have elected their own pope decades ago.
     
    Let it be known that the priestly line of “Bishop” Webster is from: Bishop Thuc, to Clemente ("Pope" Gregory XVII!), Terrason, Hennenberry, to Webster.
     
    The episcopal lineage is from: Bishop Thuc to Des Lauries to McKenna to Slupski to Webster.
     
    “Bishop” Neal Webster is also a public supporter of the Feeneyite position on the denial of the Baptism of Blood and Desire (“Votum”;), which contradicts the constant Magisterium of the Church.
     
    Once again, let us beg Our Lady of the Holy Rosary to crush the Church’s enemies. Let us hold the clear position of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre always faithful to Mother Church, her Traditional Magisterium, the Traditional Sacraments and the categorical refusal of doubtful sacraments and dangers to the Faith!
     
    Once again, we see the sad casualties of a Pope and hierarchy failing in their duty! Indeed, when the shepherd is struck the sheep scatter!
     
    In Christ the King,
     
    Fr. David Hewko

    https://www.therecusant.com/apps/blog/show/48837769

    Fr. Hewko told me that he felt the entire thuc line to be valid.
    Logged

    Offline Ekim

    • Full Member
    • ***
    • Posts: 791
    • Reputation: +818/-103
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Fr. David Hewko's Statement on the Episcopal Consecration of Fr. Pfeiffer
    « Reply #8 on: July 31, 2020, 11:23:10 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
    • Validity and legitimacy are two different things.  Something can be valid but not legitimate.
    Logged

    Offline Pax Vobis

    • Supporter
    • *****
    • Posts: 10299
    • Reputation: +6212/-1742
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Fr. David Hewko's Statement on the Episcopal Consecration of Fr. Pfeiffer
    « Reply #9 on: July 31, 2020, 12:32:01 PM »
  • Thanks!2
  • No Thanks!0
    • This condemnation is more anti-Webster than anti-Pfeiffer.  Very unfair.  Fr Hewko indirectly blames +Webster for Fr P's seminary problems, by referring to "OLMC vocations" as if they are legitimate vocations (which is highly questionable). He also condemns +Webster for feeneyism, while not condemning Fr P for the same.  Where is the denouncing of Fr P for accepting this consecration?  Where is Fr P's guilt in all this?  I agree with the overall criticism, but it seems a very one-sided attack.
    Logged

    Offline donkath

    • Full Member
    • ***
    • Posts: 1517
    • Reputation: +616/-116
    • Gender: Female
      • h
    Re: Fr. David Hewko's Statement on the Episcopal Consecration of Fr. Pfeiffer
    « Reply #10 on: July 31, 2020, 11:09:14 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on July 31, 2020, 12:32:01 PM
    This condemnation is more anti-Webster than anti-Pfeiffer.  Very unfair.  Fr Hewko indirectly blames +Webster for Fr P's seminary problems, by referring to "OLMC vocations" as if they are legitimate vocations (which is highly questionable). He also condemns +Webster for feeneyism, while not condemning Fr P for the same.  Where is the denouncing of Fr P for accepting this consecration?  Where is Fr P's guilt in all this?  I agree with the overall criticism, but it seems a very one-sided attack.

    Thank you.   Makes sense.
    Logged
    "In His wisdom," says St. Gregory, "almighty God preferred rather to bring good out of evil than never allow evil to occur."

    Offline Last Tradhican

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 6293
    • Reputation: +3327/-1937
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Fr. David Hewko's Statement on the Episcopal Consecration of Fr. Pfeiffer
    « Reply #11 on: August 01, 2020, 04:43:37 AM »
  • Thanks!2
  • No Thanks!0
    • Quote from: thebloodycoven on July 30, 2020, 09:27:39 PM

    “Bishop” Neal Webster is also a public supporter of the Feeneyite position on the denial of the Baptism of Blood and Desire (“Votum”;), which contradicts the constant Magisterium of the Church Catholics who do not believe that non-Catholics can be saved by their belief in a god the rewards

    There, now that is precise.
    Logged
    The Vatican II church - Assisting Souls to Hell Since 1962

    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24

    Offline ByzCat3000

    • Full Member
    • ***
    • Posts: 1889
    • Reputation: +500/-141
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Fr. David Hewko's Statement on the Episcopal Consecration of Fr. Pfeiffer
    « Reply #12 on: August 02, 2020, 10:21:56 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on August 01, 2020, 04:43:37 AM
    There, now that is precise.
    I do believe the rewarder God thing is possible, but just a theory so to speak.  I do think that a denial of BOD *even for catechumens* does deny the text of Trent.  But I always make this distinction whenever asked about this.  Am I the only one?
    Logged

    Offline Matthew

    • Mod
    • *****
    • Posts: 31174
    • Reputation: +27089/-494
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Fr. David Hewko's Statement on the Episcopal Consecration of Fr. Pfeiffer
    « Reply #13 on: August 02, 2020, 10:30:52 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on July 31, 2020, 12:32:01 PM
    by referring to "OLMC vocations" as if they are legitimate vocations (which is highly questionable).

    Some of them are perhaps complete nonsense -- filler to "pad" his seminary numbers, and hence its legitimacy. The more "seminarians" he has, the stronger his argument to the bishops of the world that "I need your support" and/or "I need to be consecrated a bishop".

    That having been said, I don't think that applies to many of them. These are young men who are presumably interested in becoming priests. They have spent months, or years, at the seminary, presumably not dating girls during that time. I know there is no regularity at that lame excuse for a "seminary", nor regular classes, but these young men at least are engaging in a slipshod apprenticeship of sorts, sometimes lasting years.

    I believe many of these young man have/had vocations -- but that Fr. P's "seminary" is putting these vocations in jeopardy -- and some of the vocations have already been destroyed. Think of all the good those young men could have done for the Church if it weren't for Fr. P's stubbornness, opposition to +W, his willfulness "I'm going to have my own seminary darn it!". He should have released them and encouraged them to join a real seminary. I wouldn't want to be Fr. P at the Judgment.

    After their experiences in Boston, KY, I wouldn't be surprised if some of them gave up the faith, much less just their vocation.
    Logged
    Want to say "thank you"? 
    You can send me a gift from my Amazon wishlist!
    https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls/25M2B8RERL1UO

    Paypal donations: matthew@chantcd.com

    Offline Ladislaus

    • Supporter
    • *****
    • Posts: 41847
    • Reputation: +23909/-4344
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Fr. David Hewko's Statement on the Episcopal Consecration of Fr. Pfeiffer
    « Reply #14 on: August 02, 2020, 11:16:27 AM »
  • Thanks!1
  • No Thanks!0
    • Quote from: thebloodycoven on July 30, 2020, 09:27:39 PM

    “Bishop” Neal Webster is also a public supporter of the Feeneyite position on the denial of the Baptism of Blood and Desire (“Votum”;), which contradicts the constant Magisterium of the Church.

    No, it does not contradict the constant Magisterium of the Church.  But I will not get into detail so as not to derail this thread.
    Logged
    Pages: [1] 2
    « previous next »