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Traditional Catholic Faith => SSPX Resistance News => Topic started by: Thomist disciple on April 06, 2015, 03:57:58 PM
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Fr. Cyprian Strengthening?
This news from Fr. Raphael, OSB, San Jose Monastery, in Colombia, who passes on the report of an eyewitness who is well known to him and who is very reliable:
On Holy Thursday, Fr. Cyprian, OSB, stated from the pulpit at Our Lady of Guadalupe Monastery, that he is going further from Rome, rather than moving closer to Rome. Fr. Cyprian further stated that his entire focus is to obey God.
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Amazing how all these people "strengthened" magically after the consecration of a bishop.
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Amazing how all these people "strengthened" magically after the consecration of a bishop.
Yes indeed.
They know what Trads want (namely, a continued resistance to Modernism and a continuation of the Traditional movement) and they know that this new bishop and others will be nothing but happy to provide that service, if necessary.
It just shows you how strong, appropriate, and earth-moving +Williamson's recent action -- the consecration of +Faure -- was.
He is a leader, and he did what needed to be done. Now everyone scrambles to re-define their position, etc. He really rattled the cages.
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perhaps it was the sign of strength they were waiting for....
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Good news. Let's see Menzingen get reckless. They will now do the two moves back routine, but they are in a bit of a corner since Bishop Fellay retracted the Francis modernist statement. Their only option is to continue to denounce the resistance since they can no longer denounce the modernists in Rome.
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Amazing how all these people "strengthened" magically after the consecration of a bishop.
Well, it seems that this strong and courageous action on the part of +Williamson has given everyone strength, especially because of his choice of who to consecrate. Just as Faith comes down to us from our spiritual leaders, so does strength in the Faith so it is not surprising. Besides, with Pope Francis' actions worsening by the minute, we are all moving away from Rome!
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Well after the consecration of Bishop Faure, Fr. Cyprian now has options doesn't he? He doesn't have to rely on Winona or the SSPX to ordain his priests.
Bishop Faure says he will set up in France and soon open a seminary. He has the Domnicans of Avrille to help with that. This is a serious "threat" and/or "problem" for the SSPX in France and perhaps worldwide.
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Fr. Cyprian fully supports the SSPX and His Excellency Bishop Fellay.
Quit spreading rumors, please.
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Fr. Cyprian fully supports the SSPX and His Excellency Bishop Fellay.
What's your source for this rumor? Link, please.
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Fr. Cyprian fully supports the SSPX and His Excellency Bishop Fellay.
What's your source for this rumor? Link, please.
Menzingen is not the SSPX. Menzingen is a minority of decision makers destroying the SSPX.
Bishop Fellay is not the SSPX, he is its superior general who is persecuting openly and shamelessly all who criticize a deal with the modernists.
It's amazing that there are still people who do not see this.
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The point is, Green Scapular seems to frequently cry "rumor". I'm just returning the favor.
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Yes, I agree.
Green Scapular is nasty and only comes here to defend Bishop Fellay no matter what happens. No matter what.
That's putting personalities before principles, i.e. the Faith.
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Fr. Cyprian fully supports the SSPX and His Excellency Bishop Fellay.
Quit spreading rumors, please.
Until recently, yes. Now with 2 bishops and counting…why should Fr. Cyprian put up with his abuse of authority and interference? ABL supported and provided for the religious orders but did not interfere. The SSPX under +Fellay has.
Anyhow, are you not embarrassed to support a “leader” that changes direction with the wind? He condemned the consecration of +Faure because he fears it, but just last October he said:
…And in a crisis as terrible as this one, it is all that we have left. As far as men are concerned, it is over, it is hopeless. The situation of the Church is a nameless catastrophe. So there really is reason to be frightened. But we do not have the right to let ourselves be paralyzed, we must go forward, we must reconquer, and that can only be done in the Name of the Lord. Looking at God and seeking the help promised by God…
Interview for La Porte Latine by Jean-Paul et Jacques Buffet, October 27, 2014.
And "reconquer", +W and +Faure will!
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Fr. Cyprian fully supports the SSPX and His Excellency Bishop Fellay.
What's your source for this rumor? Link, please.
In Fr. Cyprian's own words, "We remain unshaken and do not intend to withhold our full support of the SSPX. Bp Fellay is the true and most worthy son of the Archbishop.".
I have it in writing, dated Nov 2014.
So go start a rumor about someone else, you rumor-mongers.
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Fr. Cyprian fully supports the SSPX and His Excellency Bishop Fellay.
What's your source for this rumor? Link, please.
In Fr. Cyprian's own words, "We remain unshaken and do not intend to withhold our full support of the SSPX. Bp Fellay is the true and most worthy son of the Archbishop.".
I have it in writing, dated Nov 2014.
So go start a rumor about someone else, you rumor-mongers.
All I have is your word for it. Hearsay. Rumor.
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In Fr. Cyprian's own words, "We remain unshaken and do not intend to withhold our full support of the SSPX. Bp Fellay is the true and most worthy son of the Archbishop.".
I have it in writing, dated Nov 2014.
That was five months ago, I lot can change in 5 months. Perhaps his eyes have been opened?
On Holy Thursday, Fr. Cyprian, OSB, stated from the pulpit at Our Lady of Guadalupe Monastery, that he is going further from Rome, rather than moving closer to Rome. Fr. Cyprian further stated that his entire focus is to obey God.
He does say "Rome", not "Menzingen". However with the Menzingen train heading towards Rome I think it is safe to assume Fr. Cyprian will not be on that train.
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In Fr. Cyprian's own words, "We remain unshaken and do not intend to withhold our full support of the SSPX. Bp Fellay is the true and most worthy son of the Archbishop.".
I have it in writing, dated Nov 2014.
That was five months ago, I lot can change in 5 months. Perhaps his eyes have been opened.
Yes. Such as another bishop and a new seminary in France.
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You also have to keep in mind that some of these monasteries owe the SSPX money. The SSPX helped many of them get established, funding quite a bit of their building campaigns. This may explain a lot of their so-called "loyalities."
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It just shows you how strong, appropriate, and earth-moving +Williamson's recent action -- the consecration of +Faure -- was.
He is a leader, and he did what needed to be done. Now everyone scrambles to re-define their position, etc. He really rattled the cages.
Exactly. This consecration turns the Resistance into something just a bit more concrete and not just an idea or ideology. And it throws a major wrench into the plans of +Fellay to resolve the "internal problems" preventing unification with Rome. If +Fellay did it now, people would feel that they had "SOMEWHERE" to go and would hesitate much less to leave if they did not agree with the unification. +Fellay could sign the agreement and then find the SSPX reduced in size by over 50% the next morning.
Bishop Williamson has been instrumental in preventing the unification all along. I'm convinced that it would already have happened had it not been for the h0Ɩ0cαųst comments.
And I also agree with your criticism of SSPX "exceptionalism", as you called it. Yes, +Fellay believes that after a unification, millions upon millions of people will flock to the SSPX in droves (drawn no doubt by his own charismatic personality). That is IMO what's behind the new seminary project. Build it and they will come. But what has stopped these untold millions from flocking to the FSSP and the Motu Masses? Your typical Diocese has on average maybe one or two Motu Masses, and all those interested from the entire diocese are generally enough to fill one Mass to about 2/3rds capacity. Why would they suddenly flock to the SSPX just because they're canonically recognized? They won't.
When we attended the old Indult Masses, we tried to convince more traditionally-minded / conservative members of our Novus Ordo parish to come with us and give it a try. At the end of the day, they were just too lazy to make the 40-minute drive; otherwise they might have been inclined to try it.
No, the only way that this will change will be when ROME CONVERTS and re-imposes the Traditional Mass as the standard Mass everywhere. Otherwise, it's like telling your 10-year-old child that he can attend Sunday Mass if "he wants to". You'd be lucky to get 50% Mass attendance from him under those conditions.
In the meantime, the role of the SSPX and Traditional Catholicism in general is to be a "sign of contradiction" against the errors of Vatican II ... with a view towards the eventual conversion of Rome. But an agreement would effectively eliminate that aspect of the SSPX, rendering it absolutely no different than FSSP or any other such organization.
I watched the Easter Mass said by Francis, and he said the entire thing in Latin, including the "Roman Canon" (Anaphora #1) in Latin; it's practically identical to the Tridentine Canon with only very minor changes. Did that make him a Traditional Catholic? We can never forget that Traditional Catholicism is primarily a question of doctrine and secondarily a question of the Mass.
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In Fr. Cyprian's own words, "We remain unshaken and do not intend to withhold our full support of the SSPX. Bp Fellay is the true and most worthy son of the Archbishop.".
I have it in writing, dated Nov 2014.
That was five months ago, I lot can change in 5 months. Perhaps his eyes have been opened.
Yes. Such as another bishop and a new seminary in France.
A lot can and has changed in 5 months. Several things have gone a long way toward giving the resistance real legs to stand on. Just to name two, the January 1st sermon by Bishop Tissier then the consecration of +Faure, who is known to be a true son of Archbishop Lefebvre.
Many of us have known Father Cyprian well for decades. He would not go along to
Rome just because his monastery owed money to the SSPX, which I don't think is the case. Just a cursory look at his life speaks volumes for his integrity and devotion to the Faith. It is my understanding that he is no longer sending his priestly candidates to SSPX seminaries, but is training them in house, which is the ideal anyway.
It is marvelous the way that +Williamson did not cave to hysteria and consecrate someone immediately just to pacify. He has taken his time and he has chosen well.
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You also have to keep in mind that some of these monasteries owe the SSPX money. The SSPX helped many of them get established, funding quite a bit of their building campaigns. This may explain a lot of their so-called "loyalities."
What is the source of this information that you seem to be presenting as factual?
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La Porte Latine reported a few years ago that the SSPX loaned money to the Benedictine nuns to help restore the property at Perduchat. It may still be on their web site if you can read French. These nuns don't have as many benefactors as some of the other orders. They have always struggled so I don't blame them for doing what they had to do to survive. God bless them.
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We should remember that it is not enought to resist in private the new direction of Bishop Fellay. This resistance to bishop Fellay liberalism must be done in public and addressed in Public to all tradition in order not to be accomplice to Bishop's Fellay new direction. "Not to oppose error is to aprove it" said St. Pius X. The silence in public newsletters about bishop Fellay new direction makes Fr. Cyprian accomplice of that work of the SSPX because at the eyes of tradition Fr. Cyprian is supporting Mons. Fellay by his silence.