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Traditional Catholic Faith => SSPX Resistance News => Topic started by: Maria Elizabeth on August 11, 2012, 02:28:01 PM
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This post if from truetrad.com
http://www.truetrad.com/index.php/latestnews/148-8-10-12-fr-cyprian-silver-city-new-mexico-benedictines-gives-highest-praises-to-bp-fellay
8-10-12: Fr. Cyprian (Silver City, New Mexico Benedictines) gives highest praises to Bp. Fellay
From a friend of TrueTrad:
"Fr. Cyprian, the Benedictine prior of the Monastery of Our Lady of Guadalupe, recently made the following statement:
"His Excellency Bishop Bernard Fellay, in his magnanimous spirit of faith and charity, has given his approval and blessing to the ordination of our priests. How grateful we are to God and to this most faithful son of Archbishop Lefebvre for this eternal gift of the priesthood."
Quoted from the Summer 2012 newsletter of Our Lady of Guadalupe Monastery. Note there is no reference to Bishop Tissier de Mallerais, the bishop who actually ordained those Benedictines. Judge for yourselves to which side Fr. Cyprian is giving his support."
We add: What a tremendous contrast to their fellow religious - the traditional French Dominicans who recently bravely spoke out trying to warn us and to help the SSPX.
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If you haven't seen the rest of the website, it's worth perusing too.
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So now Fr. Cyprian is a "Fellayite" and by the author's implication a betrayer of the faith? I think the author is seeing things which are not there - grasping at phantoms. Bear in mind, I am against any type of practical agreement with Rome.
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It is more than just bad manners that Fr. Cyprian failed to thank Bp. Tissier de Mallerais.
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I'd like to compare this to whatever statement the Benedictines made the last time one of their priests was ordained.
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Let's remember this when Fr. Cyprian comes again with his hands out.
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Another Fellayite for us to keep a close eye on.
Shame on you Fr. Cyprian!
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If I had to speculate I'd say Father Cyprian will do most anything to get his priests for his monastery. I used to visit the monastery every year almost from his get go. My family and I have watched him grow but we also saw him tired and at one point having an unexplainable loss of his voice somehow related to his exhaustion.
I was there on the eve of his sending two of his monks to Winona to become priests. I would say Father Cyprian knows full well he is a Benedictine, not sspx, and once he has his priests he will have it made. That doesn't excuse the behaviour, in my opinion, and the useage of flattery which is in my missal under the examination of conscience before confession.
This turn about is a sad one and weighs on my soul but fight on we must!
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If I had to speculate I'd say Father Cyprian will do most anything to get his priests for his monastery.
Wouldn't it be better to keep your speculations to yourself and not use them to judge Fr. Cyprian's soul? Basically, you are saying he doesn't care about the good of his monks but only wants to get them ordained. He doesn't care about faith but only wants to use Bp. Fellay or the SSPX for ordinations. Now, wasn't Fr. Cyprian one of the monks who left Le Barroux because of Dom Gerard's compromise with Rome?
Sspxbvm, I find this difficult to reconcile with basic Catholic behaviour.
I used to visit the monastery every year almost from his get go. My family and I have watched him grow but we also saw him tired and at one point having an unexplainable loss of his voice somehow related to his exhaustion.
What is this supposed to prove?
I was there on the eve of his sending two of his monks to Winona to become priests. I would say Father Cyprian knows full well he is a Benedictine, not sspx, and once he has his priests he will have it made. That doesn't excuse the behaviour, in my opinion, and the useage of flattery which is in my missal under the examination of conscience before confession.
This turn about is a sad one and weighs on my soul but fight on we must!
These are incredible statements! You have condemned Fr. Cyprian and his monastery as being betrayers of the cause for Tradition. Where is your proof? I can't believe I am reading these things based on a paragraph from a newsletter.
The fight for Tradition will do well if we have intelligent criticisms but this post, I am afraid to say, is an overreaction and gives ammunition for those to ridicule individuals who have a real concern for the trajectory of the SSPX these past years.
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Another 30 Pieces of Silver!!!
To continue to have your monks trained/indoctrinated and ordained by Winona/Menzingen your simony/silence will only cost you 30 pieces of Silver.
Blessed be God the Dominicans and Franciscans refuse to purchase their Holy Orders.
Cut all donations to "Silver City"!
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I can't believe I am reading these things based on a paragraph from a newsletter.
The fight for Tradition will do well if we have intelligent criticisms but this post, I am afraid to say, is an overreaction and gives ammunition for those to ridicule individuals who have a real concern for the trajectory of the SSPX these past years.
No kidding. I haven't been on in a few days and come back to this as the first thing I read. In comes that same incredulous knot in my stomach and out I go again. I think I'm just not cut out for forums afterall.
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He has betrayed his benefactors, ABL, St. Benedict and the Church!
This is the emotional swill/propaganda that he has been peddling for years.
Give your donations to the Dominicans!
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I'd like to compare this to whatever statement the Benedictines made the last time one of their priests was ordained.
The statements they make in their newsletters are always charitable and cheerful.
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If I had to speculate I'd say Father Cyprian will do most anything to get his priests for his monastery.
Wouldn't it be better to keep your speculations to yourself and not use them to judge Fr. Cyprian's soul? Basically, you are saying he doesn't care about the good of his monks but only wants to get them ordained. He doesn't care about faith but only wants to use Bp. Fellay or the SSPX for ordinations. Now, wasn't Fr. Cyprian one of the monks who left Le Barroux because of Dom Gerard's compromise with Rome?
Sspxbvm, I find this difficult to reconcile with basic Catholic behaviour.
I used to visit the monastery every year almost from his get go. My family and I have watched him grow but we also saw him tired and at one point having an unexplainable loss of his voice somehow related to his exhaustion.
What is this supposed to prove?
I was there on the eve of his sending two of his monks to Winona to become priests. I would say Father Cyprian knows full well he is a Benedictine, not sspx, and once he has his priests he will have it made. That doesn't excuse the behaviour, in my opinion, and the useage of flattery which is in my missal under the examination of conscience before confession.
This turn about is a sad one and weighs on my soul but fight on we must!
These are incredible statements! You have condemned Fr. Cyprian and his monastery as being betrayers of the cause for Tradition. Where is your proof? I can't believe I am reading these things based on a paragraph from a newsletter.
The fight for Tradition will do well if we have intelligent criticisms but this post, I am afraid to say, is an overreaction and gives ammunition for those to ridicule individuals who have a real concern for the trajectory of the SSPX these past years.
:applause: :applause: :applause:
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If I had to speculate I'd say Father Cyprian will do most anything to get his priests for his monastery.
Wouldn't it be better to keep your speculations to yourself and not use them to judge Fr. Cyprian's soul? Basically, you are saying he doesn't care about the good of his monks but only wants to get them ordained. He doesn't care about faith but only wants to use Bp. Fellay or the SSPX for ordinations. Now, wasn't Fr. Cyprian one of the monks who left Le Barroux because of Dom Gerard's compromise with Rome?
It's funny. In this case "If I had to speculate" means "In my opinion. An opinion I am very much displeased with." As can be seen if the whole thing is read clearly. What follows is nonsense! "...You are saying..." A Judgement of MY soul! I've told people before that leaving a post on a computer website is not the best because of the rash judgement it subjects people to (okay, I can hear it already, "sspxbvm, you talk about rash judgement but don't see yourself...." ---typical response from an irrational debater)
Sspxbvm, I find this difficult to reconcile with basic Catholic behaviour.
I am glad God will be my judge and not you. Catholic behaviour? Catholic behaviour is to take up spiritual arms and fight the fight in these dark times and be awake and alert know the devil prowls around seeking someone to devour. That is Catholic behaviour and it prompts me to have an opinion I don't feel comfortable with but I know is the right way.
I used to visit the monastery every year almost from his get go. My family and I have watched him grow but we also saw him tired and at one point having an unexplainable loss of his voice somehow related to his exhaustion.
What is this supposed to prove? --Sorry, if you don't understand maybe you need to read it a few more times.
I was there on the eve of his sending two of his monks to Winona to become priests. I would say Father Cyprian knows full well he is a Benedictine, not sspx, and once he has his priests he will have it made. That doesn't excuse the behaviour, in my opinion, and the useage of flattery which is in my missal under the examination of conscience before confession.
This turn about is a sad one and weighs on my soul but fight on we must!
These are incredible statements! You have condemned Fr. Cyprian and his monastery as being betrayers of the cause for Tradition. Where is your proof? I can't believe I am reading these things based on a paragraph from a newsletter.
The fight for Tradition will do well if we have intelligent criticisms but this post, I am afraid to say, is an overreaction and gives ammunition for those to ridicule individuals who have a real concern for the trajectory of the SSPX these past years.
"...based on a paragraph in a newsletter." Excuse me. Do you not understand the events of the last several months? Father Cyprians words in the newsletter are clearly in favor of bishop Fellay and hence a union with Rome. The Dominicans came out with a clear condemnation...maybe you need to read it. http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Statement-by-the-Dominicans-of-Avrille
If these particular Benedictines were against a betrayl to Rome they should come out and say it. No. The words in the simple "newsletter" are quite clearly taking a side. Proof enough.
Yes. I agree it WOULD be an overreaction if not for the events of the last several months. Events you need to brush up on. Or maybe you already know and are in favor of an agreement with Rome??
Yes. The Benedictines and so many others who are now favoring an agreement with Rome HAVE had real concern for the benefit of the SSPX in the past. That being said there is something much more sinister going on here. The Devil is hard at work and has clearly infected so many priests and faithful with a diabolical disorientation (I can hear your response already but will tell you if I am right or not if you respond).
Something I think is very important for those of us who are the last ones to stand up for Christ's Church in "these last days" (words of sister Lucia of Fatima) is to refrain from belittling another with put downs. Hence the "intelligent" statement in itself being an adversarial statement it would seem we stand on opposite sides.
If you intend on continuing this "forum" or whatever it is suppose to be called do so with charity. Try not to condemn and then judge. You said I was condemning. No. I was lamenting. Seems you jumped the gun.
[/font}I am rather excited that I got a negative, judgemental response and told my wife I was staying up to answer it. It's probably not worth it since nobody's going to change their opinion over a post on the internet. So often these things are read in the wrong way. I am perhaps wrong but this is what I imagined with this OBSCURUS person ---> :cussing: Now I will go close my tired eyes! God speed.
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I guess I am never going to learn how to use the "quote" option on this website! I gave some responses that are in the fine print. Oh well. Good night!
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It's funny. In this case "If I had to speculate" means "In my opinion. An opinion I am very much displeased with." As can be seen if the whole thing is read clearly. What follows is nonsense! "...You are saying..." A Judgement of MY soul! I've told people before that leaving a post on a computer website is not the best because of the rash judgement it subjects people to (okay, I can hear it already, "sspxbvm, you talk about rash judgement but don't see yourself...." ---typical response from an irrational debater)
I judged what I saw as an unfair and harsh post on Fr. Cyprian and his direction of the monastery based on very little evidence. Before we make severe judgments on someone (and I do believe we can make judgments) shouldn't we at least caution on the side of charity and have clear evidence? That was the point of my message but perhaps I was not as clear as I could have been.
I am not sure why you are calling me an "irrational debater." I have no bones to pick with you personally but do you not see any merit in what I wrote? I am arguing against the principle of attacking Fr. Cyprian based on little to no evidence.
I am glad God will be my judge and not you. Catholic behaviour? Catholic behaviour is to take up spiritual arms and fight the fight in these dark times and be awake and alert know the devil prowls around seeking someone to devour. That is Catholic behaviour and it prompts me to have an opinion I don't feel comfortable with but I know is the right way.
I said, I find it difficult to believe, so I tried to be as charitable as I can and have no intention in judging your interior dispositions or the like. Just as you said you expressed your opinion, I have expressed mine. Catholic behaviour also dictates that we use reason and prudence in the discernment of the evils out there. I agree, we must fight the good fight as St. Paul said, but we also have a mind to judge accordingly and this attack on Fr. Cyprian does not seem very prudent at all.
What is this supposed to prove? --Sorry, if you don't understand maybe you need to read it a few more times.
Are you trying to say that he is now exhausted and does not want to fight for Tradition?
"...based on a paragraph in a newsletter." Excuse me. Do you not understand the events of the last several months? Father Cyprians words in the newsletter are clearly in favor of bishop Fellay and hence a union with Rome. The Dominicans came out with a clear condemnation...maybe you need to read it. http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Statement-by-the-Dominicans-of-Avrille
If these particular Benedictines were against a betrayl to Rome they should come out and say it. No. The words in the simple "newsletter" are quite clearly taking a side. Proof enough.
I have been "with" the SSPX for over 15 years and look at the present situation with the SSPX as a major crisis or as Bp. Williamson has said "the VII of the SSPX." Have you asked what Fr. Cyprian's views are? You extrapolated his desire for union with Rome based on those rather brief statements in his newsletter? Union with Rome, as a principle, is good and natural, union with modernists is not a good principle. Are you sure Fr. Cyprian believes the latter and not the former? I don't agree with your assessment. I am entitled to that, no?
Yes. I agree it WOULD be an overreaction if not for the events of the last several months. Events you need to brush up on. Or maybe you already know and are in favor of an agreement with Rome??
I have been following the events from day one. I am not sure how many times I am going to repeat this: I am not in favor of a practical agreement without an addressing of doctrinal issues. However, I will not just blindly follow any type of criticism when I do not agree with the methods and cause for such criticism.
Yes. The Benedictines and so many others who are now favoring an agreement with Rome HAVE had real concern for the benefit of the SSPX in the past. That being said there is something much more sinister going on here. The Devil is hard at work and has clearly infected so many priests and faithful with a diabolical disorientation (I can hear your response already but will tell you if I am right or not if you respond).
I do agree there is a diabolical disorientation which is something I have been telling my wife constantly throughout the past year. I am not sure why you feel the need to preemptively answer my supposed response. I think much of your disagreement with me is based on a severe misunderstanding. Perhaps we can have a few beers and talk it over? (I don't really drink beer but maybe some port wine would do.)
If you intend on continuing this "forum" or whatever it is suppose to be called do so with charity. Try not to condemn and then judge. You said I was condemning. No. I was lamenting. Seems you jumped the gun.
I believe you made some very unfair criticisms of Fr. Cyprian and his monastery.
I am rather excited that I got a negative, judgemental response and told my wife I was staying up to answer it. It's probably not worth it since nobody's going to change their opinion over a post on the internet. So often these things are read in the wrong way. I am perhaps wrong but this is what I imagined with this OBSCURUS person ---> :cussing: Now I will go close my tired eyes! God speed.
And perhaps you read my post in the wrong way and I would dare say maybe I misread yours (I am open to correction). My desire is not to get in a fruitless argument with you, in fact, if anyone knows me one would know that I am very reluctant to get in arguments because of my temperament. However, when I see certain injustices and lack of fairness in the treatment of priests, then I cannot remain silent. God speed, I hope you have not found offense in anything I have written.
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I really don't know how to quote individual things this forum but wanted to make a comment that I guess I still havent made clear.
To write fattering words toward Bishop Fellay in these days of great stress for the SSPX is to show support for Bishop Fellay and hence his standing. The Dominicans have stood up for Truth very courageously. There is a difference.
At the very least that newsletter is ambiguous like the SSPX has been in recent months.
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It's funny. In this case "If I had to speculate" means "In my opinion. An opinion I am very much displeased with." As can be seen if the whole thing is read clearly. What follows is nonsense! "...You are saying..." A Judgement of MY soul! I've told people before that leaving a post on a computer website is not the best because of the rash judgement it subjects people to (okay, I can hear it already, "sspxbvm, you talk about rash judgement but don't see yourself...." ---typical response from an irrational debater)
I judged what I saw as an unfair and harsh post on Fr. Cyprian and his direction of the monastery based on very little evidence. Before we make severe judgments on someone (and I do believe we can make judgments) shouldn't we at least caution on the side of charity and have clear evidence? That was the point of my message but perhaps I was not as clear as I could have been.
I am not sure why you are calling me an "irrational debater." I have no bones to pick with you personally but do you not see any merit in what I wrote? I am arguing against the principle of attacking Fr. Cyprian based on little to no evidence.
I am glad God will be my judge and not you. Catholic behaviour? Catholic behaviour is to take up spiritual arms and fight the fight in these dark times and be awake and alert know the devil prowls around seeking someone to devour. That is Catholic behaviour and it prompts me to have an opinion I don't feel comfortable with but I know is the right way.
I said, I find it difficult to believe, so I tried to be as charitable as I can and have no intention in judging your interior dispositions or the like. Just as you said you expressed your opinion, I have expressed mine. Catholic behaviour also dictates that we use reason and prudence in the discernment of the evils out there. I agree, we must fight the good fight as St. Paul said, but we also have a mind to judge accordingly and this attack on Fr. Cyprian does not seem very prudent at all.
What is this supposed to prove? --Sorry, if you don't understand maybe you need to read it a few more times.
Are you trying to say that he is now exhausted and does not want to fight for Tradition?
"...based on a paragraph in a newsletter." Excuse me. Do you not understand the events of the last several months? Father Cyprians words in the newsletter are clearly in favor of bishop Fellay and hence a union with Rome. The Dominicans came out with a clear condemnation...maybe you need to read it. http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Statement-by-the-Dominicans-of-Avrille
If these particular Benedictines were against a betrayl to Rome they should come out and say it. No. The words in the simple "newsletter" are quite clearly taking a side. Proof enough.
I have been "with" the SSPX for over 15 years and look at the present situation with the SSPX as a major crisis or as Bp. Williamson has said "the VII of the SSPX." Have you asked what Fr. Cyprian's views are? You extrapolated his desire for union with Rome based on those rather brief statements in his newsletter? Union with Rome, as a principle, is good and natural, union with modernists is not a good principle. Are you sure Fr. Cyprian believes the latter and not the former? I don't agree with your assessment. I am entitled to that, no?
Yes. I agree it WOULD be an overreaction if not for the events of the last several months. Events you need to brush up on. Or maybe you already know and are in favor of an agreement with Rome??
I have been following the events from day one. I am not sure how many times I am going to repeat this: I am not in favor of a practical agreement without an addressing of doctrinal issues. However, I will not just blindly follow any type of criticism when I do not agree with the methods and cause for such criticism.
Yes. The Benedictines and so many others who are now favoring an agreement with Rome HAVE had real concern for the benefit of the SSPX in the past. That being said there is something much more sinister going on here. The Devil is hard at work and has clearly infected so many priests and faithful with a diabolical disorientation (I can hear your response already but will tell you if I am right or not if you respond).
I do agree there is a diabolical disorientation which is something I have been telling my wife constantly throughout the past year. I am not sure why you feel the need to preemptively answer my supposed response. I think much of your disagreement with me is based on a severe misunderstanding. Perhaps we can have a few beers and talk it over? (I don't really drink beer but maybe some port wine would do.)
If you intend on continuing this "forum" or whatever it is suppose to be called do so with charity. Try not to condemn and then judge. You said I was condemning. No. I was lamenting. Seems you jumped the gun.
I believe you made some very unfair criticisms of Fr. Cyprian and his monastery.
I am rather excited that I got a negative, judgemental response and told my wife I was staying up to answer it. It's probably not worth it since nobody's going to change their opinion over a post on the internet. So often these things are read in the wrong way. I am perhaps wrong but this is what I imagined with this OBSCURUS person ---> :cussing: Now I will go close my tired eyes! God speed.
And perhaps you read my post in the wrong way and I would dare say maybe I misread yours (I am open to correction). My desire is not to get in a fruitless argument with you, in fact, if anyone knows me one would know that I am very reluctant to get in arguments because of my temperament. However, when I see certain injustices and lack of fairness in the treatment of priests, then I cannot remain silent. God speed, I hope you have not found offense in anything I have written.
GOOD POST. I DARE SAY WE BETTER STOP AS I SEE NOTHING BUT JUMPING THE GUN FROM EVERYBODY ON BOTH SIDES. ARRGGH. WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE A GOOD DEBATE. I GUESS SOME OF IT WAS MY FAULT
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Just a thought...
Wouldn't it be nice if Fr. Cyprian voluntarily ended his term as Prior and handed over the keys to, and changed positions with, one of the courageous Monks from Brazil.
We have to remember that the Silver City Monastery is not Fr. Cyprian's. He is merely the Prior serving a term, even if he helped establish it.
Being a simple Monk in Brazil might be a breath of fresh air for him and most conducive to his spiritual advancement?
Maybe there is a cell for +Fellay in Brazil where he (or his Prior/superior) can put his head on straight?
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I suspected we had a "Birds of Feather" situation at Silver City.
Bp, Fellay's west coast "lieutinent", Fr. Emily is close to to the Silver City Benedictines. He typically goes there at least once a year to make a small retreat. One of his "confessors" is there.
Benedictine priests also visit Fr. Emily's Los Gatos retreat center and help out for extended periods.
It should be relatively easy to map-out the "SSPX-network" for who supports the prelature (sell-out) and who doesn't.
Correct me if I'm wrong. I believe the Domicans of Avrille were friends of
the Silver City Benedictines. I wonder how that relationship is holding up now?
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If you listened to Fr. Pfeiffer's sermon from yesterday, he mentions the history of the Silver City Benedictines. They got their start in Boston, KY at Father Pfieffer's family chapel and rectory.
http://youtu.be/lHiNcI2Ce2Y
After meeting with +ABL, Fr. Cyprian was advised to found a new monastery in America. They went to the Pfieffer KY farm for two years to organize their plans and to raise funds to build the monastery.
It's a bit ironic, that from those humble origins, Fr. Cyprian is now supporting Bp. Fellay and more sadly, his stated intentions to unite with newRome.
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...It's a bit ironic, that from those humble origins, Fr. Cyprian is now supporting Bp. Fellay and more sadly, his stated intentions to unite with newRome.[/color]
And will not God revenge his elect who cry to him day and night: and will he have patience in their regard? I say to you, that he will quickly revenge them. But yet the Son of man, when he cometh, shall he find, think you, faith on earth?
Luke 18:7-8
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I suspected we had a "Birds of Feather" situation at Silver City.
Bp, Fellay's west coast "lieutenant", Fr. Emily is close to to the Silver City Benedictines. He typically goes there at least once a year to make a small retreat. One of his "confessors" is there.
Benedictine priests also visit Fr. Emily's Los Gatos retreat center and help out for extended periods.
It should be relatively easy to map-out the "SSPX-network" for who supports the prelature (sell-out) and who doesn't.
Correct me if I'm wrong. I believe the Domicans of Avrille were friends of
the Silver City Benedictines. I wonder how that relationship is holding up now?
Why do you say "west coast lieutenant, Fr. Emily?"
Has Fr. Emily written something in favor of "regularization" with conciliar Rome?
It should be relatively easy to map-out the "SSPX-network" for who supports the prelature (sell-out) and who doesn't.
So then, how does one go about this task??
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I suspected we had a "Birds of Feather" situation at Silver City.
Bp, Fellay's west coast "lieutenant", Fr. Emily is close to to the Silver City Benedictines. He typically goes there at least once a year to make a small retreat. One of his "confessors" is there.
Benedictine priests also visit Fr. Emily's Los Gatos retreat center and help out for extended periods.
It should be relatively easy to map-out the "SSPX-network" for who supports the prelature (sell-out) and who doesn't.
Correct me if I'm wrong. I believe the Domicans of Avrille were friends of
the Silver City Benedictines. I wonder how that relationship is holding up now?
Why do you say "west coast lieutenant, Fr. Emily?"
Has Fr. Emily written something in favor of "regularization" with conciliar Rome?
It should be relatively easy to map-out the "SSPX-network" for who supports the prelature (sell-out) and who doesn't.
So then, how does one go about this task??
Fr. Emily, a senior priest, ordained in 1978, is on the "inside" with Bp. Fellay and a long-term supporter of Fellay's "Plum" dream to reconcile with newRome. In addition, he does not like or support Bp. Williamson.
Since at least 2009, he thinks Bp. Williamson and his allies are trying to "split" the SSPX. A sentiment reminiscent of Fr. Schmidberger's comment of "...Bishop Williamson and his ilk".
As Fr. Chazal has stated, we are at war, so "mapping-out" which side an SSPX chapel or priory is on depends on the disposition of the attending pastor and the sentiments of his assistant priests.
It's like the cινιℓ ωαr board game I had as a child:
The Yankee forces are in blue
(For Ulysees S. Grant, a.k.a. Bp. Fellay and the new prelature government)
The Confederate forces are in Grey:
(For their gallant leader, Robert E. Lee, a.k.a. +ABL and true Tradition).
We simply collect the weekly reports from the chapels to map-out who is on which side. Many comments from the pulpit and elsewhere have already been made.
For example:
Walton: 3 Yankees ? (For sure 2).
Phoenix: Yankees ? (Looks like it)
New York (Long Island) Confederates ?
Los Gatos: 2 Yankees and 1 Confederate.
Houston: 1 Confederate wanna-be.
Louisville: Same as Walton.
Singapore priory: Yankees ?.. at least the superior.
Japan: Who knows ?
St. Mary's: Many, many Yankees... yikes!
...and so on.
When your at war, it good to have a map to know when you're in friendly territory.
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Thanks for the answer, but I still have questions. Based on what information do you
make these judgments? You're providing nothing about the other locations, but for
your conclusions: conclusions because of what evidence??
As for Fr. Emily, how has he been a long time supporter of +Fellay's "plum" dream
over the years? How do you know "he does not like or support Bishop Williamson?"
Are you talking about something he has said in sermons? or something he has
written in newsletters? or something a reporter has given with an interview for some
magazine or radio program? What?
What information are you using to make these conclusions? If you are going by some
unsupported comments by someone else, you could be making a mistake. If I were
to believe this unsupported report of yours I could be promoting erroneous
conclusions. I'd like to avoid doing that if possible.
Now, I have Fr. Emily's phone number. I could call him up and ask him. Would you
prefer I do that, and then I can come back here and let you know what the horse's
mouth has to say about his own reputation. Or, do you have someone to recommend
who has been attending Fr. Emily's Masses on Sunday, for example? I went to Los
Gatos for a retreat last year, and for the duration there was no mention of the
political movements of the SSPX. All of the retreatants were entirely occupied with
the curriculum of the retreat, which was missing a lot of details as it was. It was a
very abbreviated program. We did not have any spare time.
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Thanks for the answer, but I still have questions. Based on what information do you make these judgments? You're providing nothing about the other locations, but for your conclusions: conclusions because of what evidence??
As for Fr. Emily, how has he been a long time supporter of +Fellay's "plum" dream over the years? How do you know "he does not like or support Bishop Williamson?"
Are you talking about something he has said in sermons? or something he has
written in newsletters? or something a reporter has given with an interview for some magazine or radio program? What?
What information are you using to make these conclusions? If you are going by some unsupported comments by someone else, you could be making a mistake. If I were to believe this unsupported report of yours I could be promoting erroneous conclusions. I'd like to avoid doing that if possible.
Now, I have Fr. Emily's phone number. I could call him up and ask him. Would you prefer I do that, and then I can come back here and let you know what the horse's mouth has to say about his own reputation. Or, do you have someone to recommend who has been attending Fr. Emily's Masses on Sunday, for example? I went to Los Gatos for a retreat last year, and for the duration there was no mention of the political movements of the SSPX. All of the retreatants were entirely occupied with the curriculum of the retreat, which was missing a lot of details as it was. It was a very abbreviated program. We did not have any spare time.
On a public forum, I can't tell you how I know this, but its not from my personal judgements.
It seems you were absorbed with his Ignation instructions during your retreat. However, if you feel I'm impugning his reputation, I invite you to call him and ask him these questions yourself.
While you're at it, ask him what he thinks about Maximilian Krah, his reputation and his function within the SSPX? The answers you get should be real interesting. Please report it to us!
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I don't know if anyone mentioned this yet, but at the banquet after ordinations in Winona, Fr. Cyprian said, "…wherever the Society goes we go. And we support the Society in any of their endeavors, their projects, their resolves, their decisions; we are 100% with them."
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I don't know if anyone mentioned this yet, but at the banquet after ordinations in Winona, Fr. Cyprian said, "…wherever the Society goes we go. And we support the Society in any of their endeavors, their projects, their resolves, their decisions; we are 100% with them."
Can anyone ask Fr. Cyprian why he didn't go and support the endeavors, projects, resolves and decisions of Dom Gerard and corrupt Le Barroux?????
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I don't know if anyone mentioned this yet, but at the banquet after ordinations in Winona, Fr. Cyprian said, "…wherever the Society goes we go. And we support the Society in any of their endeavors, their projects, their resolves, their decisions; we are 100% with them."
Sounds like Rommney and his support for zionist Israel.
There was obviously a lot of underlying political tensions during the June ordinations. Father Hewko and Father Joseph Pfieffer were there too.
Father Cyprian made a point to identify himself being with the "Yankee forces".
So be it, Hot or Cold for the One True Faith.
We should express disdain for lukewarm priests who cower, unwilling to
take a position, "waitng to see what happens".
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Dear All,
I have personally spoken to Fr. Cyprian on this issue...7 years ago when this entire thing was starting, when the "talks" were just rumors. We were considering moving to Silver City (we had been going there for Mass periodically) and I let Fr. Cyprian know my concerns and asked what his spiritual guidance was as to where my family should live. At that time, Fr. Cyprian told me that he personally knows Bishop Fellay and guaranteed me that Bishop Fellay would never regularize with Rome until Rome had returned fully to the Faith. He told me that Bishop Fellay would never do anything different than what Archbishop Lefebvre had charted. And, furthermore, he told me that his community would never accept anything different than this.
Obviously, Fr. Cyprian was seriously fooled by Fellay. I am not prepared to say that he is on board with the sell out because I haven't heard that with my own ears. However, if what has been said is true about his comments in Winona, then truly Fr. Cyprian has fallen into a serious spiritual trap. It is one thing to always believe that regularization is the right course, like Fr. Laguerie. However, to be completely and aggressively opposed to regularization unless VII and the Novus Ordo are abolished, as Fr. Cyprian specifically stated to me 7 years ago and then to be willing to compromise all that today is a state of soul that I pray to God I never find myself in and which cannot bear any good fruit, either for him or his monks.
Kyrie Eleison
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Sad and another sign of the "end times".
The Abbott of a Benedictine order, the spiritual elite, has been fooled.
Even Cardinal Ottaviani capitulated under continuous pressure after Vatican II.
http://www.traditioninaction.org/ProgressivistDoc/A_096_Ottaviani_Betray.html
Fr. Hewko once wrote an inspiring article in the Angelus Press about how St. Athnasisus' purposely used Monastic prayers to aid him in his fight against the Arian heresy. It was his secret weapon.
If the Monasterys and Carmelite convents are fooled into going along with newRome, we are in even deeper trouble than we thought.
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Incredulous, you make bold claims about Father Emily and others all without being able to prove their truth. You seem to cloak all this storytelling behind the beat of war drums, as if you are trying to stir up tribesmen. Your manner is wrong and I must believe much of what you accuse others of is not entirely true. How nice to do all this in a hidden cloak. Have YOU ever asked Father Emily how be believes about regularization at this time? What conversations have you had with him and when? His telephone number is readily available. If you do not call him and ask how he believes, you have no right to make the accusations you have done.
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Incredulous, you make bold claims about Father Emily and others all without being able to prove their truth. You seem to cloak all this storytelling behind the beat of war drums, as if you are trying to stir up tribesmen. Your manner is wrong and I must believe much of what you accuse others of is not entirely true. How nice to do all this in a hidden cloak. Have YOU ever asked Father Emily how be believes about regularization at this time? What conversations have you had with him and when? His telephone number is readily available. If you do not call him and ask how he believes, you have no right to make the accusations you have done.
Hello Nikolas,
Thank you for your unexpected attack. I'm delighted.
I won't reveal my sources. Sorry old boy.
On the contrary, can you show me where Father Emily does not:
1. Support Msgr. Fellay unequivocally ?
2. Defend his zionist employee, Max Krah?
3. Support Msgr. Fellay's reunification efforts with the Consiliar newchurch?
4. Has supported Msgr. Williamson... on anything?
Show me something ? ... and try not to fib.
It can be an anecdote, a casual conversation, a statement from the pulpit.
You advised me that you admired Fr. Emily and you think he's holy.
I'm only sad that he's has such poor discernment in making political judgements.
I've slowly come to realize the Bp. Fellay has built a team of men, his "intelligence network" to assist his efforts to hijack the SSPX.
Poor Father Emily is one of his men.
If you see father, please tell him Incredulous said " He's concerned for your priesthood".
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Incredulous, your post only proves my point. You are all bluster, someone who makes gossipy accusations with no first hand information of your own. Your "sources" are as hidden as your own masked identity. Again, I urge you to call Father, identify yourself, and find out just what he believes. The questions you pose are valid, if asked in a respectful manner, as a gentleman. Unless you are prepared to dive in and get information for yourself, you have no right to attempt to destroy someones reputation, much less a priest.
This forum at times contains some insightful information and I appreciate that, but lately, it has taken on an "at war" mentality where posters sound like an angry mob, complete with slander, vicious character attacks, and lack of charity. Such only defeats otherwise good efforts to wake people up to the truth.
Spiritual warfare has always been with us, Incredulous. It is fought largely on our knees, however there is a real purpose of writing letters and speaking face to face with those who do not hold our views. The world needs no more folks with megaphones who shout to disrupt, attack, and destroy while wearing a sack over their head.
Now you can begin on me. I shall not reply again on this topic as I think I have made my point.
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Incredulous, you make bold claims about Father Emily and others all without being able to prove their truth. You seem to cloak all this storytelling behind the beat of war drums, as if you are trying to stir up tribesmen. Your manner is wrong and I must believe much of what you accuse others of is not entirely true. How nice to do all this in a hidden cloak. Have YOU ever asked Father Emily how be believes about regularization at this time? What conversations have you had with him and when? His telephone number is readily available. If you do not call him and ask how he believes, you have no right to make the accusations you have done.
Dear Brothers and Sisters in Christ,
I think we all need to reevaluate the way in which we write to each other on here. Truly, we are going through terrible times, times that are eroding our spiritual peace, times that are exhausting our patience for bearing injustice, times that are inciting us to sin.
Nevertheless, we are no less called to sainthood today than yesterday. Nor are we any less called to behave as Saints on this internet message board in the year 2012 than any Catholic has been called to behave as a Saint in his or her interactions with other Catholics whether in person, via letter, via phone, via email or any other mode of communication.
I beg you all, do not allow the wicked scandal caused by Fellay or anyone else disturb the charity that we are to display towards each other as an outgrowth of our charity to Our Lord.
Why is it that we must accuse each other, say hostile things to each other, act as if we are not truly united in a way more significant than blood? Incredulous and Nickolas, two obviously good and faithful Catholics, yet sniping at each other. How many others of us have done the same thing? Far too many.
Even in our discussions of this situation, we must maintain a decorum consistent with what Our Lord expects of us. Bishop Fellay and those who have publicly agreed with him are endangering our souls and the souls of many. We recognize it and declare our opposition, such as we can make. Those priests who remain silent, whatever their beliefs internally, are, intentionally or not, helping to facilitate what Bishop Fellay is doing. I think we can all agree that we can recognize this and say: "This is not right; it is not what is best for souls." But, just as we should not jump to conclusions about each other, we must not jump to conclusions about any priest. Fr. Emily has stated nothing publicly. Let us leave it at that. What more can we say other than that his silence helps to endanger our souls? It is God Who will hold him accountable for this, to whatever degree He Wills.
If we can persevere through this and maintain a devoted and loyal dedication to each other, this event, whatever happens, will not harm our souls. If we allow it to cause animosity between us, surely God will not bless us. Surely, God will not protect us.
God Bless you all. I do not know if I have ever met any of you in person but I truly love each of you. We are all kin. Sin and anger has no place among us for any reason.
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Thank you for the "peace-maker" post Amicus24.
However, I don't see this exchange as breaking charity?
I challenged Nikolas to demonstrate that Fr. Emily was not with Msgr. Fellay's prelature cabal. He opted to dodge the question and got upset.
Fr. Emily has spoken in public, (from the sactuary), recently:
After the July Chapter meeting, he told his faithful that no deal was made "contrary to the rumors", that Bp. Fellay had maintained the resistance spriit of +ABL and that everything was okay.
Even Nikolas admitted to me these comments were misleading.
Father Emily once admonished a priest under his charge for his candy-making hobby. He went as far to say that the hobby jeapordized his priest-hood.
How much more so is a priest-hood jeapordized, than one who follows the pro-conciliar personality cult of Menzingen?
We are at war, in a Traditional Catholic movement to preserve the Faith.
I don't understand the big deal in identifying SSPX priests as being with the Fellay prelature movement? They do not deserve cover.
Consider that Menzingen certainly makes a great effort to isolate Bishops and oust priests who do not agree with them.