Author Topic: Fr. Chazals Conference on Ambrose (Read 22906 times)

Franciscan Solitary · « **Reply #75 on:** October 16, 2015, 11:58:12 PM »

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This is becoming more than nasty, please be more solicitious to a Priest...

Absolutely! this is descending into a very low level of discourse and humor which is almost vulgar in its speculative detraction. Father Pfieffer is having some troubles now, let's not kick him when he is down. He has been a faithful priest for many years now, and we should be praying that he finds his way out of these present predicaments even if some of them are of his own making.

I do not mean let him off the hook, I mean let's be decent about our complaints, and hold to a Catholic standard as ladies and gentlemen of the Faith.

While I agree that we should be careful in our criticism of a Priest it should be pointed out that he brought it on himself.

His own culpability in these scandals has absolutely nothing to do with how other Christians should behave, and my own bad behavior can not be justified by another's improper actions.

I do not mean to sound harsh, but consider that for what ever reason, his house is already burning and Father Hewko has chosen to stay in it with him. All in all, a very sad and distressing situation for Traditional Catholics.

These are still early days, so with patience we may yet see this storm blow over. Perhaps the edifying Fr. Hewko is right to stay at his post and provide a much needed sense of direction. Surely he can not fail to hear Fr. Chazal's timely admonition. Still, Fr. Pfeiffer has shown a bit of the Martin Luther in his seriously dangerous lack of a Catholic compass. Why should Fr. Pfeiffer seek out an "Ambrose" in preference to the fine and holy leaders we already have within Catholic Tradition? Perhaps firm Germanic criticism of Fr. Pfeiffer at this early stage is the best way to be solicitous for him.

Consider that if Fr. Luther had received a few hard thwacks early on, then a third and more of the German Nation might not have had to be slaughtered by Catholics in the Thirty Years War. This "Ambrose" scandal is a deadly serious matter. We had best put some Catholic sense into the gifted and eloquent Fr. Pfeiffer, before some terrible Neo-Reformation ignites in the hills of Kentucky.

Let's hope and pray Fr. Hewko is staying at Boston because he is just the man to accomplish true solicitude for our potential Martin Luther in the American Deutschland. Because one thing is already certain: Time will soon tell whether a False Resistance may be slouching towards Boston to be born...

hollingsworth · « **Reply #76 on:** October 17, 2015, 11:21:16 AM »

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Consider that if Fr. Luther had received a few hard thwacks early on, then a third and more of the German Nation might not have had to be slaughtered by Catholics in the Thirty Years War. This "Ambrose" scandal is a deadly serious matter. We had best put some Catholic sense into the gifted and eloquent Fr. Pfeiffer, before some terrible Neo-Reformation ignites in the hills of Kentucky.

Let's hope and pray Fr. Hewko is staying at Boston because he is just the man to accomplish true solicitude for our potential Martin Luther in the American Deutschland. Because one thing is already certain: Time will soon tell whether a False Resistance may be slouching towards Boston to be born..

In the time of Luther, the Catholic Church, if my reading informs me at all, was not in a very healthy state. There was widespread corruption, and much clerical abuse. Many priests lived in a state of concubinage. Luther was correct in confronting the sale of Indulgences, ostensibly for the purpose of delivering souls from Purgatory and Hell. The forbidden practice of usury was carried on actively, if you believe such authors as Michael Hoffman. If the Church Herself had received a "few hard thwacks early on," the tragedy of the Reformation might have been averted.

Personally, I am not worried about "some terrible Neo-Reformation" igniting in "the hills of Kentucky." At worst, IMO, the Boston bunch will become little more than a tiny, insignificant sect of Baptist snake handlers. Fr. Pfeiffer is hardly what I would call "eloquent." Luther, for certain, had a certain gifted eloquence. His writings and sermons are published and read to this very day. Does anyone honestly think that Father P's sermons are worthy of preservation for the next four hundred years? Please! Fr. Pfeiffer, sorry to say, is just a poor, confused priest, who, it seems, draws great inspiration from a clever layman, the state of whose soul is indeed suspect.

TheRealMcCoy · « **Reply #77 on:** October 17, 2015, 11:47:12 AM »

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I believe Fr. Hewko to be a holy priest, but I also wonder if he is not in an incredibly difficult situation.

Can you give some examples of his holiness?

There is an air about him. When you are around him, you can really feel his holiness. It is hard to explain. In the confessional, it is as if he knows your soul. He understands exactly what you are trying to convey, even when the words are difficult.

There is something about him that just draws you to him. Even the children can sense it.

I don't know if that really explains what I mean, but that is the best I can explain it.

So it's how you feel that convinces you of his holiness?

Franciscan Solitary · « **Reply #78 on:** October 17, 2015, 11:42:26 PM »

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Consider that if Fr. Luther had received a few hard thwacks early on, then a third and more of the German Nation might not have had to be slaughtered by Catholics in the Thirty Years War. This "Ambrose" scandal is a deadly serious matter. We had best put some Catholic sense into the gifted and eloquent Fr. Pfeiffer, before some terrible Neo-Reformation ignites in the hills of Kentucky.

Let's hope and pray Fr. Hewko is staying at Boston because he is just the man to accomplish true solicitude for our potential Martin Luther in the American Deutschland. Because one thing is already certain: Time will soon tell whether a False Resistance may be slouching towards Boston to be born..

In the time of Luther, the Catholic Church, if my reading informs me at all, was not in a very healthy state. There was widespread corruption, and much clerical abuse. Many priests lived in a state of concubinage. Luther was correct in confronting the sale of Indulgences, ostensibly for the purpose of delivering souls from Purgatory and Hell. The forbidden practice of usury was carried on actively, if you believe such authors as Michael Hoffman. If the Church Herself had received a "few hard thwacks early on," the tragedy of the Reformation might have been averted.

Personally, I am not worried about "some terrible Neo-Reformation" igniting in "the hills of Kentucky." At worst, IMO, the Boston bunch will become little more than a tiny, insignificant sect of Baptist snake handlers. Fr. Pfeiffer is hardly what I would call "eloquent." Luther, for certain, had a certain gifted eloquence. His writings and sermons are published and read to this very day. Does anyone honestly think that Father P's sermons are worthy of preservation for the next four hundred years? Please! Fr. Pfeiffer, sorry to say, is just a poor, confused priest, who, it seems, draws great inspiration from a clever layman, the state of whose soul is indeed suspect.

Mr. Hollingsworth,

The Church was innocent then and She is innocent now. Perhaps you forget that the real movers and shakers of these events are not human. Fr. Pfeiffer has not yet abandoned the One True Faith. He is as eloquent as he wants to be. Evidently you have not seen the extraordinary impact he has on his audiences. We underestimate Fr. Pfeiffer at our peril.

"Ambrose" is no Baptist snake handler. He is the close friend of Nixon and the heart and soul of the Pentagon. He is the embodiment of the American National Security State, an Arch-Heresiarch of Modernism and harbinger of the Armies of Hell. "Ambrose" is the spiritual essence of the on-going Ukrainian War between the great powers and can, as he wants, summon immense mountain ranges of weaponry and death. He claims to have the highest connections on earth and indeed he does.

The American National Security State is in its death throws. It is losing its grip on the Holy City of Jerusalem. The prospect of a Neo-Reformation that would blaze through the American South and German Heartland is by no means a mere fanciful vision. It is in truth the last best hope of the American Empire.

We should pray for Fr. Pfeiffer, Fr. Hewko and, perhaps most of all, for Pablo. Because it is Pablo, the Sorcerer's Apprentice of North American Catholicism, who at the moment is all-too-literally holding in his weak trembling hands the actual One Ring of Power.

Let us pray very very hard now for Poor Pablo the most hapless of Mexicans:

Ecclesiae · « **Reply #79 on:** October 18, 2015, 04:53:21 AM »

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Fr. Hewko has convinced Father Pfeiffer to get Pablo to live there and also the woman who left her husband. Father Pfeiffer has 2 whom he obeys: Pablo and Padre Hewko and I have experienced it myself as Father Hewko kept saying to Father Pfeiffer: "We need Pablo here! When does he come! He is a good man!?! He is great! You have to lat him come!" This went on for many months until Father Pfeiffer accepted it. So CathMomof7 I do not want to destroy your beautiful idea and feelings, but saints can usually discern the spirits and their naivety does not puts souls into danger, neither contributes to the destruction of a seminary. That one mistake seriously endangered the future of the Resistance. Many had great feelings when they confessed by Martin Luther. They could feel his holiness. Many mothers and fathers with many children followed their "feelings" (most husbands trusts their wife and obey her). And many sects are full of admirers ... Even the devil knows your soul, he can send great seducer with great perfume and a kind of souls knowledge. Do not forget, we live at the end of times and there are many deceivers (and false prophets).
So, do not always rely on feelings. Humility. We should not trust our "feelings" and judgment only. We need reasonable reasons, and it should be based also on the witness of others as of the fruit that the person produces. He has denied to help the seminarians. That´s also the reason why brother Anthony left. The seminarians left because they are not supported, protected and defended by him. He watched and did nothing.These are also facts dear CathMomof 7, and there are witness reports. God bless you and your family

Paul FHC · « **Reply #80 on:** October 18, 2015, 09:52:17 AM »

Franciscan Solitary, either you are mocking OLMC or you are insane.

Matthew · « **Reply #81 on:** October 18, 2015, 09:55:23 AM »

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Franciscan Solitary, either you are mocking OLMC or you are insane.

I thought the same thing. That last post of his...WHEW!

As a relative of mine used to say (as a joke), "I hope you will share, 'cause you're obviously smoking the good stuff."

I don't know what he's "on", but that last post of his was in outer space.

The cheese slid ALL THE WAY OFF his cracker.

hollingsworth · « **Reply #82 on:** October 18, 2015, 10:03:32 AM »

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Evidently you have not seen the extraordinary impact he (Fr. Pfeiffer) has on his audiences. We underestimate Fr. Pfeiffer at our peril.

I have been in those audiences on a number of occasions. I helped to arrange the venue for his first audience in Post Falls. Indeed, he has had an "extraordinary impact" on me. In fact, because of him largely, and thanks only to Our Blessed Mother, I have been saved from leaving the Church altogether, and from dismissing all so-called "traditional" Catholic priests out of hand. I do not underestimate Fr. Pfeiffer at all. I fully recognize the damage he has done.

hollingsworth · « **Reply #83 on:** October 18, 2015, 10:06:42 AM »

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Franciscan Solitary, either you are mocking OLMC or you are insane.

Let us hope that Franciscan Solitary is insane. Because, if he represents the rank and file of "resistance" faithful, then OMG!

Franciscan Solitary · « **Reply #84 on:** October 18, 2015, 02:27:01 PM »

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Franciscan Solitary, either you are mocking OLMC or you are insane.

I thought the same thing. That last post of his...WHEW!

As a relative of mine used to say (as a joke), "I hope you will share, 'cause you're obviously smoking the good stuff."

I don't know what he's "on", but that last post of his was in outer space.

The cheese slid ALL THE WAY OFF his cracker.

Glad you liked it, Mr. Matthew. The scandalous topic of this thread is difficult and cuts both ways no matter how we try and slice it. The dramatic light and darkness of what we're discussing pretty much bursts the limits of comedy whether we approve of the epic nature of the reality or not.

That the famous scene on Mount Doom in LOTR has obvious parallels with what's occurring now in Boston ought to be reasonably evident to those with even a little imagination and poetry in them. Is poetry madness? Well, presumably in many ways it always has been. But then to recognise what's right in front of us in Boston calls for some poetic imagination, and possibly pinches of madness as may be required to see the truth of this extraordinary drama clearly.

This isn't to mock anybody, and least of all the OLMC. We are simply living in a time when the old comforts of the Catholic bourgeoisie are falling away and the previous dominance of comedy is having to cede its primacy to the tragic heroism and epic poetry of a Catholic warrior nobility that is being reborn around us. Whether or not we somewhat flippantly choose to dismiss this as "madness", the dawn grows brighter despite every best effort we make to cling to a former bourgeois respectability that is dead.

Catholic men had best either enjoy the furious poetic imagination of the present era or else perhaps join the Protestants as fast as they can run and quiver with them in the shadows. Either way, we live in a radically militarised world of inexorable economic collapse and rising epic religious drama.

Welcome to the Third Millennium!

Franciscan Solitary · « **Reply #85 on:** October 18, 2015, 05:56:48 PM »

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Franciscan Solitary, either you are mocking OLMC or you are insane.

Let us hope that Franciscan Solitary is insane. Because, if he represents the rank and file of "resistance" faithful, then OMG!

That may be a bit harsh, good Hollingsworth. Am probably more representing the 21st Century on planet earth. The present End of Days is likely to be an OMG situation, after all. Perhaps it would be better to read the apocalyptic script and get with the program.

On a slightly lighter note, your insight into Fr. Pfeiffer in your other above comment is appreciated. "Ambrose" is the real villain here and Fr. Pfeiffer has some important decisions to make together with his compatriots. And this isn't a good time to be, so to speak, whistling through a graveyard. We should face up to the reality that the stakes here are high.

As for my alleged madness, rationalism is prosaic and feels comfortable, but it is not a good or effective strategy for dealing with the thrills and spills of the epic times we're actually in. Catholic men won't endure, and much less prosper, without the courage to include poetic imagination among the weapons in our arsenal. If a Franciscan daring to go beyond dull mainstream Protestant rationalism is insanity, then we may as well join the timid High Church Anglicans and be done with it.

Therefore, good Hollingsworth, my apologies for the way my highbrow approach must grate on you. You have the style of a good Catholic burgher and for that no one should reproach you. Just please try and understand a little bit that there must also be Don Quixotes among our number and that among the Catholics the Don Quixotes and Sancho Panzas always end up paired together sooner or later. Neither is going to get through the hard battles awaiting us in this lurid Time of Troubles without the other.

Meanwhile the sometimes madness of this foolish Franciscan Don Quixote may in humble truth be among the least of our worries.

hollingsworth · « **Reply #86 on:** October 18, 2015, 06:17:16 PM »

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We are simply living in a time when the old comforts of the Catholic bourgeoisie are falling away and the previous dominance of comedy is having to cede its primacy to the tragic heroism and epic poetry of a Catholic warrior nobility that is being reborn around us. Whether or not we somewhat flippantly choose to dismiss this as "madness", the dawn grows brighter despite every best effort we make to cling to a former bourgeois respectability that is dead.

May I ask you to explain a bit more prosaically, in words that I can understand, the following please:

1) Who are, or who were the "Catholic bourgeoisie?'

2) What exactly is this previous "dominance of comedy?"

And now that this old bourgeoisie has lost its "primacy,"..

3) What is this new "Catholic warrior nobility" which has been reborn in our times? Can you put a name to it, and identify a few of its members to us?

4) And just how does this emerging class of warrior bring promise of a brighter dawn?

MaterDominici · « **Reply #87 on:** October 18, 2015, 08:08:59 PM »

Without suggesting anything, I'd just like to point out that the last person to have such "poetic imagination" in his posts here was Pablo.

JPaul · « **Reply #88 on:** October 18, 2015, 08:29:34 PM »

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Without suggesting anything, I'd just like to point out that the last person to have such "poetic imagination" in his posts here was Pablo.

This type of thing seems to happen when a sectarian spirit eventually becomes an ideology and then progresses to what?.....................a religion?

hollingsworth · « **Reply #89 on:** October 18, 2015, 10:21:53 PM »

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Just please try and understand a little bit that there must also be Don Quixotes among our number and that among the Catholics the Don Quixotes and Sancho Panzas always end up paired together sooner or later. Neither is going to get through the hard battles awaiting us in this lurid Time of Troubles without the other.

Meanwhile the sometimes madness of this foolish Franciscan Don Quixote may in humble truth be among the least of our worries.

F.S., you don't grate me at all. You do leave one scratching one's head though. Why must there be these characters of legend among us? Wasn't Don Quixote struggling, (in vain, of course), to restore an age of chivalry and knightly honor fast slipping away? Why should we need among us some kind of a nut jousting at windmills? You're losing me, F.S.

That these two "end up paired together" drives me to imaginary excesses which I try desperately to shake off. Because all that comes to mind is a rather corpulent "Don Quixote" in religious attire accompanied by his "Sancho" in shades, who, far from helping us to get through hard times, promises to thrust some of us more deeply into them.