Author Topic: Fr. Chazals Conference on Ambrose (Read 22896 times)

TheRealMcCoy · « **Reply #60 on:** October 14, 2015, 08:59:29 PM »

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OK I'll make my point. Do you think it's hypocritical of a priest to lead a rosary crusade in defense of marriage when the "help" is divorcing? Wouldn't a better defense of marriage be to not support this person by firing them and sending them away? Silence = consent

That's not the behavior of holiness. And please, spare us platitudes about detraction and charity.

The divorce in and of itself isn't a problem as it's merely a legal distinction and does not reflect on the status of the marriage. It would only be a problem if the divorced person acts as if they were not already married (i.e. entering into a new relationship or otherwise acting in a manner inappropriate for a married person).

So what is Fr Hewko condemning when he preaches against divorce? What does he mean when he says "God hates divorce"? Does he mean "God hates annulments" or "God hates remarriage" or "God hates those who are civilly divorced but act single"? Why did he march a rosary crusade in front of a civil court house begging God to crush divorce?

Inquiring minds want to know. :detective:

EDIT: I'm not an enemy of Fr Hewko. Quite the contrary. I just suspect that he's ministering under the influence (MUI) and it leads to his contradictory actions such as muting on the divorce close to home yet publicly condemning it (as he should) and also acting as head cheerleader for the ambrose debacle.

Paul FHC · « **Reply #61 on:** October 14, 2015, 09:09:40 PM »

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I don't disagree with Pa ulFHC though. He is somehow complicit in this. He's involved whether or not he wants to be. He needs to stand up to Fr. Pfeiffer now, just as he stood up to Bishop Fellay and the SSPX 3 years ago. Come what may.

Are you saying that Paul FHC is complicit in this? Just how would Paul FHC be complicit in this? We know Paul and his family personally. We know something of his history and background and have been in his company on a number of occasions, both in religious and social settings. So naturally, it would be interesting to learn exactly what you mean by "complicit," Matt.

Is Paul FHC the seminarian Paolo or did he leave by now?

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As for fr Pagliarani, all that I can gather points to his innocence on the issue of modernism. If Paolo can retract and amend, it would be a good sign for him. The situation is sufficiently bad as it is for us to exaggerate, and we must be capable to retract, since it is precisely what we request from others.

http://www.therecusant.com/apps/blog/show/42407882-fr-chazal-australasia-report-iv

I'm not Paulo.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #62 on:** October 14, 2015, 10:19:11 PM »

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That's a bit of a stretch regarding the protection of Father Hewko due to "holiness".

Like I said here, "Maybe I'm the only one willing to say this..." One thing's for sure: Fr. Hewko would be the first to disagree with me! :scratchchin:

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Many great canonized saints were persecuted, suppressed, etc.

St. Joan of Arc was burned at the stake and not protected from the fire. Except her heart was preserved, and no fire was able to burn it, even when they covered it with sulfur and burned the pile her heart was left there unburned. It almost drove them crazy to see this happen. And don't forget all the times in battle that she emerged invincible and the enemy's weapons had had no affect on her. She was persecuted.

St. John the Evangelist is celebrated in the liturgy as a martyr. He was exiled on the island of Patmos for many years. He was suppressed. But he died a natural death of old age. What's up with that?

St. Benedict was given a chalice of poison drink and a piece of bread with poison in it. So he was persecuted. He blessed the food before starting to consume it, and a SNAKE was seen crawling out of the cup and a BIRD flew in through the open window, taking the bread in its beak and flying back out whence it came. Look at the back of any legible St. Benedict medal and see the image that commemorates this event. And these signs shall follow them that believe:... They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them Mk xvi. 17-18.

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MariaAngelaGrow · « **Reply #63 on:** October 15, 2015, 01:11:07 AM »

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There are still people out t have great faith in Fr Pfeiffer.

...people out t[here who] have... ?

Computer problems. Sigh. Oftentimes it only shows half the keys I have actually pressed. When I am not so exhausted I would have caught it. At this point only Matthew can fix it. Sorry. I have been running on a sleep deficit for about 6 months, since Tom got worse.

Franciscan Solitary · « **Reply #64 on:** October 15, 2015, 01:13:18 AM »

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My heart is saddened for Fr. Hewko.

He was the first priest I knew when we converted to tradition and began attending an SSPX chapel. He was my confessor. He counseled my children and two of my sons were conditionally confirmed due to Fr. Hewko's gentle yet firm sensibilities.

When he left the SSPX, his superiors publicly from the pulpit made him out to be a hothead, a fraud, perhaps mentally unstable. This was the catalyst for our family's own exodus from the SSPX.

I fear that the situation in KY is now fodder for the fire.

I believe Fr. Hewko to be a holy priest, but I also wonder if he is not in an incredibly difficult situation.

I believe he is a holy priest as well but that is not necessarily a defense against gullibility. He truly "believes all things" and "hopes all things".

I had not heard of accusations against Fr. Hewko of being a "fraud" (impossible!) or a "hot head", but his health has been frail at times and he can be worked and manipulated because he believes everyone is as honorable as he is. He is strong in the Faith but sometimes a bit weak in prudence. Allowing this "Bishop Ambrose" character to "say Mass" for their Faithful is a betrayal all round whether Fr. Hewko realizes this or not.

We must not follow any priest simply because we love him. That is a sure way to go astray. There are ample signs things are not right in Kentucky and that means things may not be right at any of the chapels they service.

Fr. Hewko should go home to his mother or the Monastery in Silver City to rest for a long time and recover his sense of direction. I hope he cuts himself off from Fr. Pfeiffer completely and permanently. They are not good for each other.

A clear and succinct overview of this fine mess. Fr. Hewko would indeed be most wise to retire for a time to Our Lady of Guadalupe Monastery in Silver City to free himself from the unfortunate influence over him of the unwell Fr. Pfeiffer. Because Silver City, not Boston, is the present spiritual capital of North America.

One must note that Fr. Pfeiffer's reputation for false pride of self and occasional rudeness has long dogged his tracks across several continents. He is certainly a gifted preacher, but then so was another proud and sometimes rude priest, the brilliant and infamous Fr. Martin Luther. There is more than a hint of Protestantism in the eloquent Fr. Pfeiffer's dangerous blindness to his own limitations.

May Fr. Pfeiffer enjoy a good long rest and not repeat the disastrous mistakes of Luther in the present generation. May God have mercy on his troubled soul.

richard · « **Reply #65 on:** October 15, 2015, 06:30:32 AM »

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My heart is saddened for Fr. Hewko.

He was the first priest I knew when we converted to tradition and began attending an SSPX chapel. He was my confessor. He counseled my children and two of my sons were conditionally confirmed due to Fr. Hewko's gentle yet firm sensibilities.

When he left the SSPX, his superiors publicly from the pulpit made him out to be a hothead, a fraud, perhaps mentally unstable. This was the catalyst for our family's own exodus from the SSPX.

I fear that the situation in KY is now fodder for the fire.

I believe Fr. Hewko to be a holy priest, but I also wonder if he is not in an incredibly difficult situation.

I believe he is a holy priest as well but that is not necessarily a defense against gullibility. He truly "believes all things" and "hopes all things".

I had not heard of accusations against Fr. Hewko of being a "fraud" (impossible!) or a "hot head", but his health has been frail at times and he can be worked and manipulated because he believes everyone is as honorable as he is. He is strong in the Faith but sometimes a bit weak in prudence. Allowing this "Bishop Ambrose" character to "say Mass" for their Faithful is a betrayal all round whether Fr. Hewko realizes this or not.

We must not follow any priest simply because we love him. That is a sure way to go astray. There are ample signs things are not right in Kentucky and that means things may not be right at any of the chapels they service.

Fr. Hewko should go home to his mother or the Monastery in Silver City to rest for a long time and recover his sense of direction. I hope he cuts himself off from Fr. Pfeiffer completely and permanently. They are not good for each other.

A clear and succinct overview of this fine mess. Fr. Hewko would indeed be most wise to retire for a time to Our Lady of Guadalupe Monastery in Silver City to free himself from the unfortunate influence over him of the unwell Fr. Pfeiffer. Because Silver City, not Boston, is the present spiritual capital of North America.

One must note that Fr. Pfeiffer's reputation for false pride of self and occasional rudeness has long dogged his tracks across several continents. He is certainly a gifted preacher, but then so was another proud and sometimes rude priest, the brilliant and infamous Fr. Martin Luther. There is more than a hint of Protestantism in the eloquent Fr. Pfeiffer's dangerous blindness to his own limitations.

May Fr. Pfeiffer enjoy a good long rest and not repeat the disastrous mistakes of Luther in the present generation. May God have mercy on his troubled soul.

Because Silver City, not Boston, is the present spiritual capital of North America.

HUH? :confused1:
Isn't Silver City NSSPX?

PG · « **Reply #66 on:** October 15, 2015, 11:09:37 AM »

Richard - the abbot there recently gave a sermon that was recorded, and is on cathinfo from about 1-3 months ago. And, from listening to it, I would say that silver city is not going to place themselves under mondernist rome. It sounded like a very strong resistance sermon. I remember him saying "I am moving in the direction away from Rome"(spiritually that is). So, it may very well be a spiritual hub here in the americas.

Franciscan Solitary · « **Reply #67 on:** October 15, 2015, 11:18:09 PM »

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My heart is saddened for Fr. Hewko.

He was the first priest I knew when we converted to tradition and began attending an SSPX chapel. He was my confessor. He counseled my children and two of my sons were conditionally confirmed due to Fr. Hewko's gentle yet firm sensibilities.

When he left the SSPX, his superiors publicly from the pulpit made him out to be a hothead, a fraud, perhaps mentally unstable. This was the catalyst for our family's own exodus from the SSPX.

I fear that the situation in KY is now fodder for the fire.

I believe Fr. Hewko to be a holy priest, but I also wonder if he is not in an incredibly difficult situation.

I believe he is a holy priest as well but that is not necessarily a defense against gullibility. He truly "believes all things" and "hopes all things".

I had not heard of accusations against Fr. Hewko of being a "fraud" (impossible!) or a "hot head", but his health has been frail at times and he can be worked and manipulated because he believes everyone is as honorable as he is. He is strong in the Faith but sometimes a bit weak in prudence. Allowing this "Bishop Ambrose" character to "say Mass" for their Faithful is a betrayal all round whether Fr. Hewko realizes this or not.

We must not follow any priest simply because we love him. That is a sure way to go astray. There are ample signs things are not right in Kentucky and that means things may not be right at any of the chapels they service.

Fr. Hewko should go home to his mother or the Monastery in Silver City to rest for a long time and recover his sense of direction. I hope he cuts himself off from Fr. Pfeiffer completely and permanently. They are not good for each other.

A clear and succinct overview of this fine mess. Fr. Hewko would indeed be most wise to retire for a time to Our Lady of Guadalupe Monastery in Silver City to free himself from the unfortunate influence over him of the unwell Fr. Pfeiffer. Because Silver City, not Boston, is the present spiritual capital of North America.

One must note that Fr. Pfeiffer's reputation for false pride of self and occasional rudeness has long dogged his tracks across several continents. He is certainly a gifted preacher, but then so was another proud and sometimes rude priest, the brilliant and infamous Fr. Martin Luther. There is more than a hint of Protestantism in the eloquent Fr. Pfeiffer's dangerous blindness to his own limitations.

May Fr. Pfeiffer enjoy a good long rest and not repeat the disastrous mistakes of Luther in the present generation. May God have mercy on his troubled soul.

Because Silver City, not Boston, is the present spiritual capital of North America.

HUH? :confused1:
Isn't Silver City NSSPX?

"And he said, He that has ears to hear, let him hear."

(Mark 4:9)

The gravest mistake any human being could now commit would be to underestimate Bishop Jean-Michel Faure. The good bishop has many loyal followers and among them the Benedictine monks to the north of Silver City, New Mexico. Bishop Faure is beyond any reasonable doubt the Peter the Roman of legend. Those who dismiss him, perhaps among them the benighted Fr. Pfeiffer, will most assuredly rue the day.

Silver City is indeed now the spiritual capital and center of North America. The Catholic Resistance were wise to rejoice in these miraculous blessings upon us.

AJNC · « **Reply #68 on:** October 16, 2015, 01:35:16 AM »

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"And he said, He that has ears to hear, let him hear."

(Mark 4:9)

The gravest mistake any human being could now commit would be to underestimate Bishop Jean-Michel Faure. The good bishop has many loyal followers and among them the Benedictine monks to the north of Silver City, New Mexico. Bishop Faure is beyond any reasonable doubt the Peter the Roman of legend. Those who dismiss him, perhaps among them the benighted Fr. Pfeiffer, will most assuredly rue the day.

Silver City is indeed now the spiritual capital and center of North America. The Catholic Resistance were wise to rejoice in these miraculous blessings upon us.

I'm not sure about the Peter the Roman bit, but I did see Bishop Faure when he ordained Fr Suneel not so long ago. He seems to be a very kindly and dignified personality. Hope he stays well clear of these controversial priests.

CathMomof7 · « **Reply #69 on:** October 16, 2015, 12:52:16 PM »

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I believe Fr. Hewko to be a holy priest, but I also wonder if he is not in an incredibly difficult situation.

Can you give some examples of his holiness?

There is an air about him. When you are around him, you can really feel his holiness. It is hard to explain. In the confessional, it is as if he knows your soul. He understands exactly what you are trying to convey, even when the words are difficult.

There is something about him that just draws you to him. Even the children can sense it.

I don't know if that really explains what I mean, but that is the best I can explain it.

stgobnait · « **Reply #70 on:** October 16, 2015, 02:21:12 PM »

This is becoming more than nasty, please be more solicitious to a Priest...

JPaul · « **Reply #71 on:** October 16, 2015, 02:49:52 PM »

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This is becoming more than nasty, please be more solicitious to a Priest...

Absolutely! this is descending into a very low level of discourse and humor which is almost vulgar in its speculative detraction. Father Pfieffer is having some troubles now, let's not kick him when he is down. He has been a faithful priest for many years now, and we should be praying that he finds his way out of these present predicaments even if some of them are of his own making.

I do not mean let him off the hook, I mean let's be decent about our complaints, and hold to a Catholic standard as ladies and gentlemen of the Faith.

richard · « **Reply #72 on:** October 16, 2015, 03:16:55 PM »

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This is becoming more than nasty, please be more solicitious to a Priest...

Absolutely! this is descending into a very low level of discourse and humor which is almost vulgar in its speculative detraction. Father Pfieffer is having some troubles now, let's not kick him when he is down. He has been a faithful priest for many years now, and we should be praying that he finds his way out of these present predicaments even if some of them are of his own making.

I do not mean let him off the hook, I mean let's be decent about our complaints, and hold to a Catholic standard as ladies and gentlemen of the Faith.

While I agree that we should be careful in our criticism of a Priest it should be pointed out that he brought it on himself.

Matthew · « **Reply #73 on:** October 16, 2015, 03:19:33 PM »

Humor is one of those "grey areas". If someone had come out cussing him out, I would have removed it instantly.

But when someone is witty, makes fun of it a bit, sometimes I wonder if I shouldn't leave it, because I'm not 100% convinced we can't throw in some humor to make a point...

But for the sake of keeping it properly serious (it's a priest we're talking about) I removed the attempts at humor.

JPaul · « **Reply #74 on:** October 16, 2015, 04:53:30 PM »

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This is becoming more than nasty, please be more solicitious to a Priest...

Absolutely! this is descending into a very low level of discourse and humor which is almost vulgar in its speculative detraction. Father Pfieffer is having some troubles now, let's not kick him when he is down. He has been a faithful priest for many years now, and we should be praying that he finds his way out of these present predicaments even if some of them are of his own making.

I do not mean let him off the hook, I mean let's be decent about our complaints, and hold to a Catholic standard as ladies and gentlemen of the Faith.

While I agree that we should be careful in our criticism of a Priest it should be pointed out that he brought it on himself.

His own culpability in these scandals has absolutely nothing to do with how other Christians should behave, and my own bad behavior can not be justified by another's improper actions.

I do not mean to sound harsh, but consider that for what ever reason, his house is already burning and Father Hewko has chosen to stay in it with him. All in all, a very sad and distressing situation for Traditional Catholics.