Author Topic: Fr. Chazals Conference on Ambrose (Read 22886 times)

JPaul · « **Reply #30 on:** October 14, 2015, 07:14:06 AM »

Quote from: Neil Obstat

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2) Ambrose and a photoshop expert were reading the topic and decided to start a wordpress website.

The person who did the photohacking and perhaps set up the website is no expert in Photoshop. An amateur in Photoshop can do far better.

In the end, it's not outside the realm of likelihood that the whole charade was cranked out by "Ambrose" himself, photoshopping and website building in his off-hours. That would explain why it's all so sloppy.

This was a low-grade hack job. Furthermore, as Fr. Chazal observes, this Mickey Mouse cleric should have studied the Resistance before he attempted to crash the seminary in KY because he has no hint of aversion to Modernism whether it's in Newchurch, JPII or the schismatic Orthodox.

These are non-negotiables, and any GOOD con-man would have done a much better job of faking it than "Ambrose" has done.

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Making Ambrose the Forrest Gump of the resistance..................

Centroamerica · « **Reply #31 on:** October 14, 2015, 08:50:39 AM »

Quote from: welffn

1) Let's assume the interviewer was not a Priest; he has worked in a way to attach people to sympathize with him and says specific code-words "anti-communist" - "tradition" "true catholic".
That's why I said it was something other than a simple mental crazy person.

2) Indeed Fr. Hewko and Fr. P should realize he was fooled by an amateur(only in his presentation). Still I think he had help from outside OR inside.

Regarding number 2) I can divide into a and b
a) Maybe they are not ready for this task. They should talk to greater people (such as Bishop Williamson) and seek advice.

b) Why do they allow people that hurt Our Lord into the Lords home? Who are they trying to hurt and why?

That's it. My final though: how hard is to both Priests to apologize and close the seminary if the seminary is that bad? Fr. Pfeiffer opinion on Bishop Williamson is that important that he can't obey him? He's opinion regarding a Bishop is the most valuable thing on earth?

1) The interviewer was Fr. Hewko. What are you talking about?

2)"[H]elp from the inside" would seem to mean that Boston, Kentucky staged this whole thing. And of course, once again we see the cat's paw Pablo at work, but it would be ridiculous to believe that Pablo spent the last six months cuing an impostor on what to say and what to do to impersonate a Catholic bishop and nobody in Kentucky knew that this was in the works. Impossible. This would clearly mean a collaboration from Fr. Pfeiffer or others, which would also imply apostasy since such impious works are a clear manifestation of the loss of the Faith...

I don't think all the divisions and subdivisions were necessary in expressing your point; they actually obscured it .

CathMomof7 · « **Reply #32 on:** October 14, 2015, 08:55:14 AM »

My heart is saddened for Fr. Hewko.

He was the first priest I knew when we converted to tradition and began attending an SSPX chapel. He was my confessor. He counseled my children and two of my sons were conditionally confirmed due to Fr. Hewko's gentle yet firm sensibilities.

When he left the SSPX, his superiors publicly from the pulpit made him out to be a hothead, a fraud, perhaps mentally unstable. This was the catalyst for our family's own exodus from the SSPX.

I fear that the situation in KY is now fodder for the fire.

I believe Fr. Hewko to be a holy priest, but I also wonder if he is not in an incredibly difficult situation.

welffn · « **Reply #33 on:** October 14, 2015, 09:41:49 AM »

Quote from: Centroamerica

1) The interviewer was Fr. Hewko. What are you talking about?

2)"[H]elp from the inside" would seem to mean that Boston, Kentucky staged this whole thing. And of course, once again we see the cat's paw Pablo at work, but it would be ridiculous to believe that Pablo spent the last six months cuing an impostor on what to say and what to do to impersonate a Catholic bishop and nobody in Kentucky knew that this was in the works. Impossible. This would clearly mean a collaboration from Fr. Pfeiffer or others, which would also imply apostasy since such impious works are a clear manifestation of the loss of the Faith...

I don't think all the divisions and subdivisions were necessary in expressing your point; they actually obscured it .

I know it was Fr. Hewko, what I'm saying is: for the layman he (Ambrose) can deceive easily one to think he's a valid Archbishop

If Fr. Hewko believes he's still a valid priest or whatever after doing the interview and talking to the man face-to-face, he sure can manipulate any layman that is not aware of what's going on.

I never said or implied anyone staged this, what I'm saying is that is possible that Ambrose got information from someone inside the Seminary. The information would've been something like this "hey, there's a Priest here that wants a Bishop and he won't investigate your past"). My english is horrible but I never implied this was a stage act. BUT it can be possible.

Here's the situation:
If both Priests still believed in Ambrose story as true , then the work they are doing right now must be stopped. They are not able to run what they have started (Seminary)
OR they acted all this for some reason (which means they at least didn't believe in Ambrose story). The last is worse because knowing he as a false Bishop he touched the Altar and deceived the believers.

I don't know any of them personally so the "stage" case is distant to me. It looks like they acted in good faith but they ignorance stopped them to spot the impostor. It's their fault for not knowing what they should have known

Mithrandylan · « **Reply #34 on:** October 14, 2015, 10:10:14 AM »

Quote from: CathMomof7

My heart is saddened for Fr. Hewko.

He was the first priest I knew when we converted to tradition and began attending an SSPX chapel. He was my confessor. He counseled my children and two of my sons were conditionally confirmed due to Fr. Hewko's gentle yet firm sensibilities.

When he left the SSPX, his superiors publicly from the pulpit made him out to be a hothead, a fraud, perhaps mentally unstable. This was the catalyst for our family's own exodus from the SSPX.

I fear that the situation in KY is now fodder for the fire.

I believe Fr. Hewko to be a holy priest, but I also wonder if he is not in an incredibly difficult situation.

Indeed.

MariaAngelaGrow · « **Reply #35 on:** October 14, 2015, 10:34:15 AM »

There are still people out t have great faith in Fr Pfeiffer.

AJNC · « **Reply #36 on:** October 14, 2015, 11:20:56 AM »

Blame this Pablo man when things go wrong and take all credit for oneself when they dont. So in the years gone by this man was bilocating to places like India and the Philippines?

Mithrandylan · « **Reply #37 on:** October 14, 2015, 12:12:21 PM »

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There are still people out t have great faith in Fr Pfeiffer.

For what reason?

Surely it is in spite of, rather than because of his activities.

Pilar · « **Reply #38 on:** October 14, 2015, 03:54:55 PM »

Quote from: CathMomof7

My heart is saddened for Fr. Hewko.

He was the first priest I knew when we converted to tradition and began attending an SSPX chapel. He was my confessor. He counseled my children and two of my sons were conditionally confirmed due to Fr. Hewko's gentle yet firm sensibilities.

When he left the SSPX, his superiors publicly from the pulpit made him out to be a hothead, a fraud, perhaps mentally unstable. This was the catalyst for our family's own exodus from the SSPX.

I fear that the situation in KY is now fodder for the fire.

I believe Fr. Hewko to be a holy priest, but I also wonder if he is not in an incredibly difficult situation.

I believe he is a holy priest as well but that is not necessarily a defense against gullibility. He truly "believes all things" and "hopes all things".

I had not heard of accusations against Fr. Hewko of being a "fraud" (impossible!) or a "hot head", but his health has been frail at times and he can be worked and manipulated because he believes everyone is as honorable as he is. He is strong in the Faith but sometimes a bit weak in prudence. Allowing this "Bishop Ambrose" character to "say Mass" for their Faithful is a betrayal all round whether Fr. Hewko realizes this or not.

We must not follow any priest simply because we love him. That is a sure way to go astray. There are ample signs things are not right in Kentucky and that means things may not be right at any of the chapels they service.

Fr. Hewko should go home to his mother or the Monastery in Silver City to rest for a long time and recover his sense of direction. I hope he cuts himself off from Fr. Pfeiffer completely and permanently. They are not good for each other.

TheRealMcCoy · « **Reply #39 on:** October 14, 2015, 04:15:09 PM »

Quote from: Pilar

I believe Fr. Hewko to be a holy priest, but I also wonder if he is not in an incredibly difficult situation.

Can you give some examples of his holiness?

Matthew · « **Reply #40 on:** October 14, 2015, 05:05:25 PM »

I agree, that Fr. Hewko is a classic case of "To the clean, all things are clean."

That's also why so many Trads in general fall for compulsive liars. When you are a good person, it's hard to imagine someone being evil. It's so foreign to you, it's hard to even conceive of a person doing such a thing.

RealMcCoy -- That's a difficult question to "prove" or answer decisively. If you know him and worked with him, you'd know what we mean when we speak about holiness.

If I only saw him on Youtube, covering up Pablo and Ambrose, etc. I'd sure be wondering myself. But I've been to his Masses, and they are very edifying.

If it weren't for Fr. Hewko, the SSPX-MC operation in Kentucky would be much, much smaller than it is today. He has given, and continues to give them, credibility.

For example, someone told me that in St. Mary's KS about 4X as many people turn out when it's Fr. Hewko coming to say Mass, compared with Fr. Pfeiffer.

Paul FHC · « **Reply #41 on:** October 14, 2015, 05:29:56 PM »

Fr Hewko is just as culpable for the sorry state of the seminary as fr Pfeiffer. I've heard enough of his sanctity, he knows of all the evils and has done nothing. "The corruption of the best is the worst."

TheRealMcCoy · « **Reply #42 on:** October 14, 2015, 06:13:50 PM »

Quote from: Matthew

RealMcCoy -- That's a difficult question to "prove" or answer decisively. If you know him and worked with him, you'd know what we mean when we speak about holiness.

:wink:

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #43 on:** October 14, 2015, 06:17:23 PM »

Quote from: MariaAngelaGrow

There are still people out t have great faith in Fr Pfeiffer.

...people out t[here who] have... ?

Matthew · « **Reply #44 on:** October 14, 2015, 06:20:35 PM »

Quote from: TheRealMcCoy

Quote from: Matthew
RealMcCoy -- That's a difficult question to "prove" or answer decisively. If you know him and worked with him, you'd know what we mean when we speak about holiness.

:wink:

No, it's not a secret thing, or a wink-wink, nudge nudge.

However anyone defines holiness -- I saw it in Fr Hewko when he was here twice in 2013. I was edified and could tell that hanging around this priest would be good for my spiritual life. He showed many virtues - humility, charity, piety, and was generally knowledgeable about the Faith and Tradition (being formed, as he was, at an SSPX seminary). Just an all-around good priest.

I don't disagree with PaulFHC though. He is somehow complicit in this. He's involved whether or not he wants to be. He needs to stand up to Fr. Pfeiffer now, just as he stood up to Bishop Fellay and the SSPX 3 years ago. Come what may.

God will provide! Don't worry about where you'll sleep, where you'll say Mass. God comes first; all the other details work themselves out.