Author Topic: Fr. Cyprian gives highest praises to Bp. Fellay (Read 6394 times)

Amicus24 · « **Reply #30 on:** August 15, 2012, 04:14:26 PM »

Dear All,

I have personally spoken to Fr. Cyprian on this issue...7 years ago when this entire thing was starting, when the "talks" were just rumors. We were considering moving to Silver City (we had been going there for Mass periodically) and I let Fr. Cyprian know my concerns and asked what his spiritual guidance was as to where my family should live. At that time, Fr. Cyprian told me that he personally knows Bishop Fellay and guaranteed me that Bishop Fellay would never regularize with Rome until Rome had returned fully to the Faith. He told me that Bishop Fellay would never do anything different than what Archbishop Lefebvre had charted. And, furthermore, he told me that his community would never accept anything different than this.

Obviously, Fr. Cyprian was seriously fooled by Fellay. I am not prepared to say that he is on board with the sell out because I haven't heard that with my own ears. However, if what has been said is true about his comments in Winona, then truly Fr. Cyprian has fallen into a serious spiritual trap. It is one thing to always believe that regularization is the right course, like Fr. Laguerie. However, to be completely and aggressively opposed to regularization unless VII and the Novus Ordo are abolished, as Fr. Cyprian specifically stated to me 7 years ago and then to be willing to compromise all that today is a state of soul that I pray to God I never find myself in and which cannot bear any good fruit, either for him or his monks.

Kyrie Eleison

Incredulous · « **Reply #31 on:** August 15, 2012, 06:09:08 PM »

Sad and another sign of the "end times".

The Abbott of a Benedictine order, the spiritual elite, has been fooled.

Even Cardinal Ottaviani capitulated under continuous pressure after Vatican II.
http://www.traditioninaction.org/ProgressivistDoc/A_096_Ottaviani_Betray.html

Fr. Hewko once wrote an inspiring article in the Angelus Press about how St. Athnasisus' purposely used Monastic prayers to aid him in his fight against the Arian heresy. It was his secret weapon.

If the Monasterys and Carmelite convents are fooled into going along with newRome, we are in even deeper trouble than we thought.

Nickolas · « **Reply #32 on:** August 15, 2012, 07:52:04 PM »

Incredulous, you make bold claims about Father Emily and others all without being able to prove their truth. You seem to cloak all this storytelling behind the beat of war drums, as if you are trying to stir up tribesmen. Your manner is wrong and I must believe much of what you accuse others of is not entirely true. How nice to do all this in a hidden cloak. Have YOU ever asked Father Emily how be believes about regularization at this time? What conversations have you had with him and when? His telephone number is readily available. If you do not call him and ask how he believes, you have no right to make the accusations you have done.

Incredulous · « **Reply #33 on:** August 15, 2012, 08:21:25 PM »

Quote from: Nickolas

Incredulous, you make bold claims about Father Emily and others all without being able to prove their truth. You seem to cloak all this storytelling behind the beat of war drums, as if you are trying to stir up tribesmen. Your manner is wrong and I must believe much of what you accuse others of is not entirely true. How nice to do all this in a hidden cloak. Have YOU ever asked Father Emily how be believes about regularization at this time? What conversations have you had with him and when? His telephone number is readily available. If you do not call him and ask how he believes, you have no right to make the accusations you have done.

Hello Nikolas,

Thank you for your unexpected attack. I'm delighted.

I won't reveal my sources. Sorry old boy.

On the contrary, can you show me where Father Emily does not:

1. Support Msgr. Fellay unequivocally ?
2. Defend his zionist employee, Max Krah?
3. Support Msgr. Fellay's reunification efforts with the Consiliar newchurch?
4. Has supported Msgr. Williamson... on anything?

Show me something ? ... and try not to fib.
It can be an anecdote, a casual conversation, a statement from the pulpit.

You advised me that you admired Fr. Emily and you think he's holy.
I'm only sad that he's has such poor discernment in making political judgements.

I've slowly come to realize the Bp. Fellay has built a team of men, his "intelligence network" to assist his efforts to hijack the SSPX.
Poor Father Emily is one of his men.

If you see father, please tell him Incredulous said " He's concerned for your priesthood".

Nickolas · « **Reply #34 on:** August 16, 2012, 01:11:03 AM »

Incredulous, your post only proves my point. You are all bluster, someone who makes gossipy accusations with no first hand information of your own. Your "sources" are as hidden as your own masked identity. Again, I urge you to call Father, identify yourself, and find out just what he believes. The questions you pose are valid, if asked in a respectful manner, as a gentleman. Unless you are prepared to dive in and get information for yourself, you have no right to attempt to destroy someones reputation, much less a priest.

This forum at times contains some insightful information and I appreciate that, but lately, it has taken on an "at war" mentality where posters sound like an angry mob, complete with slander, vicious character attacks, and lack of charity. Such only defeats otherwise good efforts to wake people up to the truth.

Spiritual warfare has always been with us, Incredulous. It is fought largely on our knees, however there is a real purpose of writing letters and speaking face to face with those who do not hold our views. The world needs no more folks with megaphones who shout to disrupt, attack, and destroy while wearing a sack over their head.

Now you can begin on me. I shall not reply again on this topic as I think I have made my point.

Amicus24 · « **Reply #35 on:** August 16, 2012, 01:27:37 AM »

Quote from: Nickolas

Incredulous, you make bold claims about Father Emily and others all without being able to prove their truth. You seem to cloak all this storytelling behind the beat of war drums, as if you are trying to stir up tribesmen. Your manner is wrong and I must believe much of what you accuse others of is not entirely true. How nice to do all this in a hidden cloak. Have YOU ever asked Father Emily how be believes about regularization at this time? What conversations have you had with him and when? His telephone number is readily available. If you do not call him and ask how he believes, you have no right to make the accusations you have done.

Dear Brothers and Sisters in Christ,

I think we all need to reevaluate the way in which we write to each other on here. Truly, we are going through terrible times, times that are eroding our spiritual peace, times that are exhausting our patience for bearing injustice, times that are inciting us to sin.

Nevertheless, we are no less called to sainthood today than yesterday. Nor are we any less called to behave as Saints on this internet message board in the year 2012 than any Catholic has been called to behave as a Saint in his or her interactions with other Catholics whether in person, via letter, via phone, via email or any other mode of communication.

I beg you all, do not allow the wicked scandal caused by Fellay or anyone else disturb the charity that we are to display towards each other as an outgrowth of our charity to Our Lord.

Why is it that we must accuse each other, say hostile things to each other, act as if we are not truly united in a way more significant than blood? Incredulous and Nickolas, two obviously good and faithful Catholics, yet sniping at each other. How many others of us have done the same thing? Far too many.

Even in our discussions of this situation, we must maintain a decorum consistent with what Our Lord expects of us. Bishop Fellay and those who have publicly agreed with him are endangering our souls and the souls of many. We recognize it and declare our opposition, such as we can make. Those priests who remain silent, whatever their beliefs internally, are, intentionally or not, helping to facilitate what Bishop Fellay is doing. I think we can all agree that we can recognize this and say: "This is not right; it is not what is best for souls." But, just as we should not jump to conclusions about each other, we must not jump to conclusions about any priest. Fr. Emily has stated nothing publicly. Let us leave it at that. What more can we say other than that his silence helps to endanger our souls? It is God Who will hold him accountable for this, to whatever degree He Wills.

If we can persevere through this and maintain a devoted and loyal dedication to each other, this event, whatever happens, will not harm our souls. If we allow it to cause animosity between us, surely God will not bless us. Surely, God will not protect us.

God Bless you all. I do not know if I have ever met any of you in person but I truly love each of you. We are all kin. Sin and anger has no place among us for any reason.

Incredulous · « **Reply #36 on:** August 16, 2012, 02:20:49 PM »

Thank you for the "peace-maker" post Amicus24.

However, I don't see this exchange as breaking charity?

I challenged Nikolas to demonstrate that Fr. Emily was not with Msgr. Fellay's prelature cabal. He opted to dodge the question and got upset.

Fr. Emily has spoken in public, (from the sactuary), recently:

After the July Chapter meeting, he told his faithful that no deal was made "contrary to the rumors", that Bp. Fellay had maintained the resistance spriit of +ABL and that everything was okay.

Even Nikolas admitted to me these comments were misleading.

Father Emily once admonished a priest under his charge for his candy-making hobby. He went as far to say that the hobby jeapordized his priest-hood.

How much more so is a priest-hood jeapordized, than one who follows the pro-conciliar personality cult of Menzingen?

We are at war, in a Traditional Catholic movement to preserve the Faith.

I don't understand the big deal in identifying SSPX priests as being with the Fellay prelature movement? They do not deserve cover.

Consider that Menzingen certainly makes a great effort to isolate Bishops and oust priests who do not agree with them.