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Fr. Chazal - Sermon and Update on Fr. JoePabloMoran
« on: April 17, 2016, 12:35:16 AM »
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  • Given in Singapore, 12 April 2016.
    "It is impious to say, 'I respect every religion.' This is as much as to say: I respect the devil as much as God, vice as much as virtue, falsehood as much as truth, dishonesty as much as honesty, Hell as much as Heaven."
    Fr. Michael Muller, The Church and Her Enemies


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    « Reply #1 on: April 17, 2016, 07:46:09 AM »
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  • At minute 18:02 there is a piece cut out about Pablo. The video skips over something that was said...


    Let me add that I like Fr. Chazal. He seems to have a level head.
    We conclude logically that religion can give an efficacious and truly realistic answer to the great modern problems only if it is a religion that is profoundly lived, not simply a superficial and cheap religion made up of some vocal prayers and some ceremonies...


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    « Reply #2 on: April 17, 2016, 07:58:20 AM »
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  • Interesting that he states that Bishop Williamson never did support the OLMC seminary.  Contradicts statements made by Pfeiffer and Hewko.

    On a related note for 3+ years we have been told that Hewko was a late comer to the Resistance and that Pfeiffer had to convince him to join.  But the +Williamson voicemail leaked in London clearly mentions Hewko.  So he was in on it from the beginning?

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    « Reply #3 on: April 17, 2016, 08:59:47 AM »
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  • Quote from: TheRealMcCoy
    Interesting that he states that Bishop Williamson never did support the OLMC seminary.  Contradicts statements made by Pfeiffer and Hewko.

    On a related note for 3+ years we have been told that Hewko was a late comer to the Resistance and that Pfeiffer had to convince him to join.  But the +Williamson voicemail leaked in London clearly mentions Hewko.  So he was in on it from the beginning?


    Father Hewko has been with the "Resistance" from the beginning.

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    « Reply #4 on: April 17, 2016, 09:18:36 AM »
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  • Quote from: Recusant Sede
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    Interesting that he states that Bishop Williamson never did support the OLMC seminary.  Contradicts statements made by Pfeiffer and Hewko.

    On a related note for 3+ years we have been told that Hewko was a late comer to the Resistance and that Pfeiffer had to convince him to join.  But the +Williamson voicemail leaked in London clearly mentions Hewko.  So he was in on it from the beginning?


    Father Hewko has been with the "Resistance" from the beginning.


    This is NOT what my resistance group has been told for several years.  We were told he had to be convinced to join.  Another inaccuracy.


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    « Reply #5 on: April 18, 2016, 01:05:02 AM »
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  • God bless Fr Chazal for his humility and clear-sightedness.

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    « Reply #6 on: April 18, 2016, 04:27:36 AM »
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    Interesting that he states that Bishop Williamson never did support the OLMC seminary.  Contradicts statements made by Pfeiffer and Hewko.

    On a related note for 3+ years we have been told that Hewko was a late comer to the Resistance and that Pfeiffer had to convince him to join.  But the +Williamson voicemail leaked in London clearly mentions Hewko.  So he was in on it from the beginning?


    Father Hewko has been with the "Resistance" from the beginning.


    This is NOT what my resistance group has been told for several years.  We were told he had to be convinced to join.  Another inaccuracy.


    Actually, I'm not sure if I follow you correctly, it's my understanding that the "resistance" began in the summer of 2012, which is 3+ years ago. Father P. Was there first, that is true, but Father H. joined him not long after. Father V. may have been there too.

    Please correct me if I'm in error.

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    « Reply #7 on: April 18, 2016, 06:52:09 AM »
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    Actually, I'm not sure if I follow you correctly, it's my understanding that the "resistance" began in the summer of 2012, which is 3+ years ago. Father P. Was there first, that is true, but Father H. joined him not long after. Father V. may have been there too.

    Please correct me if I'm in error.


    According to the +Williamson voicemail Hewko was involved in some organized plan prior to all the expulsions.  When Fr P would come to our mission in 2012 and early 2013 he told us over and over that Hewko had not joined the Resistance but that he was working to convince him.  So to hear the Bishop say that Hewko was in on it contradicts was Pfeiffer told my group.  And we would not have even known if Pfeiffer hadn't so arrogantly played that voicemail in London.  He's played that voicemail for many seminarians and lay people over the past few years because I started hearing about it in 2014.  What he thought was a smoking gun really turned out to be a very long rope with which he is hanging himself.

    Just unraveling the skeins of deceit................................ :facepalm:


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    « Reply #8 on: April 18, 2016, 09:05:34 AM »
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    Actually, I'm not sure if I follow you correctly, it's my understanding that the "resistance" began in the summer of 2012, which is 3+ years ago. Father P. Was there first, that is true, but Father H. joined him not long after. Father V. may have been there too.

    Please correct me if I'm in error.


    According to the +Williamson voicemail Hewko was involved in some organized plan prior to all the expulsions.  When Fr P would come to our mission in 2012 and early 2013 he told us over and over that Hewko had not joined the Resistance but that he was working to convince him.  So to hear the Bishop say that Hewko was in on it contradicts was Pfeiffer told my group.  And we would not have even known if Pfeiffer hadn't so arrogantly played that voicemail in London.  He's played that voicemail for many seminarians and lay people over the past few years because I started hearing about it in 2014.  What he thought was a smoking gun really turned out to be a very long rope with which he is hanging himself.

    Just unraveling the skeins of deceit................................ :facepalm:


    I know for a fact that he wrote (recorded) an open letter to Bishop Fellay in the early part of November 2012 and I also know that he was staying at or visiting Boston in at least the last quarter of 2012.

    There is no question that he was in Boston in the middle of Dec. 2012 since he wrote to me telling me that Bishop W. was there too, giving a retreat!

    The question is, what does Father P. consider a member of his organization to be?

    Also, I don't understand what was said in the voicemail that you consider to be a smoking gun?

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    « Reply #9 on: April 18, 2016, 11:15:52 AM »
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    Actually, I'm not sure if I follow you correctly, it's my understanding that the "resistance" began in the summer of 2012, which is 3+ years ago. Father P. Was there first, that is true, but Father H. joined him not long after. Father V. may have been there too.

    Please correct me if I'm in error.


    According to the +Williamson voicemail Hewko was involved in some organized plan prior to all the expulsions.  When Fr P would come to our mission in 2012 and early 2013 he told us over and over that Hewko had not joined the Resistance but that he was working to convince him.  So to hear the Bishop say that Hewko was in on it contradicts was Pfeiffer told my group.  And we would not have even known if Pfeiffer hadn't so arrogantly played that voicemail in London.  He's played that voicemail for many seminarians and lay people over the past few years because I started hearing about it in 2014.  What he thought was a smoking gun really turned out to be a very long rope with which he is hanging himself.

    Just unraveling the skeins of deceit................................ :facepalm:


    I know for a fact that he wrote (recorded) an open letter to Bishop Fellay in the early part of November 2012 and I also know that he was staying at or visiting Boston in at least the last quarter of 2012.

    There is no question that he was in Boston in the middle of Dec. 2012 since he wrote to me telling me that Bishop W. was there too, giving a retreat!

    The question is, what does Father P. consider a member of his organization to be?

    Also, I don't understand what was said in the voicemail that you consider to be a smoking gun?


    So if these are the facts why was my group told something differently?  As far as we knew it was Pfeiffer with no other options.

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    « Reply #10 on: April 18, 2016, 11:19:57 AM »
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  • From August of 2012, Fr. Hewko refused to report to his new U.S. assignment in Chicago and went on a sabbatical to decide what he should do. He spent a good amount of time with his mother in Upstate N.Y. I believe he joined OLMC physically after the expulsion of +Williamson.


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    « Reply #11 on: April 18, 2016, 01:27:08 PM »
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  • Quote from: BJ5
    From August of 2012, Fr. Hewko refused to report to his new U.S. assignment in Chicago and went on a sabbatical to decide what he should do. He spent a good amount of time with his mother in Upstate N.Y. I believe he joined OLMC physically after the expulsion of +Williamson.


    Which proves my point--why were we told Hewko wasn't involved?