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Re: Fr. Chazal Rips Fr. Robinson's Book
« Reply #30 on: February 15, 2019, 04:55:00 PM »
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  • This is like the BOD issue. There’s no use in going on with you folks because you put yourselves above the Church.

    The Church? Since when is Newman, Garrigou and Pius XII The Church? Do you mean to tell us that we are all wrong? I was once an evolutionist like yourself. But when the arguments against it were put to me I saw the light. Common sense will tell you nothing works unless it is complete. How can a single cell evolve. How does it sustain itself? If I put a cell on a plate it will die. How did two cells stay alive? How can all the systems necessary for life evolve bit by bit? What in God's name is so difficult in believing God created all, fully formed 'in its whole substance' as Genesis and Vatican I dogma says? Why is every fossil found, and there are millions of them, fully formed, no bit creatures?

    Evolution is ATHEISM. It is a natural philosophy of extrapolation that excludes any supernatural or divine causes. Do you think atheism can be part of Catholicism? Theistic atheism? Get God to work the miracles needed in evolution over 14 billion years? Get God to prove atheism works?

    Unless you know about the Galileo case you cannot understand faith and science. Long ages and evolution are products of the heliocentric heresy. The first theory is the Nebular theory, the evolution of a solar system from atoms. That itself, atoms coming together to produce matter is itself a heresy condemned by the Church. For God's sake use your mind, pray for the grace to see the truth.


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    Re: Fr. Chazal Rips Fr. Robinson's Book
    « Reply #31 on: February 15, 2019, 07:38:51 PM »
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  •  When poor Bp. Williamson goes, the Resistance willl be absolutely irrelevant.

    Hear! Hear!  A prophet within our midst!


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    « Reply #32 on: February 15, 2019, 07:56:09 PM »
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    When poor Bp. Williamson goes, the Resistance willl be absolutely irrelevant.
    I kinda have to agree.  the "resistance" is kinda irrelevant for me now, even with the good bishop still around.  Well, the same thing happened with sspx.  I mean, hasn't that organization grown increasingly irrelevant since ABL passed away?

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    Re: Fr. Chazal Rips Fr. Robinson's Book
    « Reply #33 on: February 15, 2019, 08:08:47 PM »
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  • One of the great things about the Resistance is that it rids the SSPX of kooks. You people have no authority to “correct” anyone. You’re not biologists or theologians. It’s all opinion. When poor Bp. Williamson goes, the Resistance willl be absolutely irrelevant.

    I don't need to have "authority" to recognize the objective fact that you are infected with modernism, liberalism and subjectivism.  Neither do I need to be a biologist or a theologian to recognize the simple Truths of revelation, given to us by God through His Church and the Holy Scriptures.  

    The proposition that Divine inspiration does not extend to all of Sacred Scriptures so that it renders its parts, each and every one, free from every error, is condemned and proscribed (Pope St. Pius X - Syllabus Condemning the Errors of the Modernists, #11)

    In the beginning God created heaven, and earth. (Genesis 1:1)
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    Re: Fr. Chazal Rips Fr. Robinson's Book
    « Reply #34 on: February 15, 2019, 08:36:20 PM »
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  • One need not be a prophet. Looking at things objectively and realistically is enough. The holiest and most learned priests of the SSPX are still with the Society( Fr. Peek, Fr. Gleize, etc) Aside from Bp. Williamson and a couple others, the Resistance is full of wackjobs. When Bp. Williamson goes, who will represent  the Resistance? Faure? Aquino? Zendejas?( who was consecrated at a sede chapel!) When Williamson goes the tiny bit of structure the Resistance has will go with him

    P.S.  This isn't about preserving the Resistance.  This is about preserving the Faith, which will endure until the end of time.  Despite your best efforts to poison it.
    Confiteor unum baptisma in remissionem peccatorum. - Nicene Creed


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    Re: Fr. Chazal Rips Fr. Robinson's Book
    « Reply #35 on: February 15, 2019, 10:15:14 PM »
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  • The Resistance, with or without +W, will be relevant as long as they have just one, single priest who offers Mass and provides the sacraments.  Because providing grace is the essence of Catholicism and that will never be irrelevant to God, who is the only judge that matters.


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    Re: Fr. Chazal Rips Fr. Robinson's Book
    « Reply #36 on: February 15, 2019, 11:13:44 PM »
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  • A Provincial council condemned Darwin's theory. This was approved by Pope Bl. Pius IX: See "The Magisterium Teachings of Pius IX, Leo XIII and Pius X Pius IX. The year after the publication of Darwin’s evolution thesis, the Provincial Council of Cologne issued the following canon, which was approved by Pope Pius IX:

    “Our first parents were immediately created by God (Gen.2.7). Therefore we declare as quite contrary to Holy Scripture and the Faith the opinion of those who dare to assert that man, in respect of the body, is derived by spontaneous transformation from an imperfect nature, which improved continually until it reached the present human state.” [10] http://www.theotokos.org.uk/pages/creation/cbutel/humanevo.html

    I'm not Resistance but I have to agree with Fr. Chazal here. Father is right, and evolution is just modernism in science. As evolution in dogma denies immutable truth, evolution in science denies substantial truth. There is no substantial difference according to evolution between a monkey and a Human Being created in the Image of God. Evolution in practice claims anything can evolve into anything else.

    Beside the sheer volume of Scriptural and Patristic teaching that very clearly preclude evolution, one could argue Evolution was already at least implicitly condemned at Vatican I for two reasons (1) the clear reiteration of Tradition by teaching Creatio Ex Nihilo and (2) the explicit teaching that something known to be contrary to faith can never be held to be a legitimate conclusion of science. 

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    "7. Therefore we define that every assertion contrary to the truth of enlightened faith is totally false [34].
    8. Furthermore the Church which, together with its apostolic office of teaching, has received the charge of preserving the deposit of faith, has by divine appointment the right and duty of condemning what wrongly passes for knowledge, lest anyone be led astray by philosophy and empty deceit [35].
    9. Hence all faithful Christians are forbidden to defend as the legitimate conclusions of science those opinions which are known to be contrary to the doctrine of faith, particularly if they have been condemned by the Church; and furthermore they are absolutely bound to hold them to be errors which wear the deceptive appearance of truth." (Vatican I, Session 3, Chapter 4, On Faith and Reason)

    Arianism was condemned in 325 A.D. at Nicaea. But Arians still gave all sorts of excuses rejecting those infallible decrees and tried to pretend Arianism or at least semi-Arianism was ok. They did this for several decades. Then, in 381 A.D. in Constantinople in the second Ecuмenical Council, that too was infallibly condemned. Ultimately, evolution will someday be infallibly condemned by the Church. 

    For Traditional Catholics especially, the clear evidence from Scripture and Tradition itself should be enough. Evolution is against the Faith. Evolution is basically an atheistic theory that denies God's Power of Creating out of nothing. It insists apes gave rise to men.

    One of the big hoaxes of Evolution was the Piltdown man fraud. It was promoted for more than 40 years. Then exposed in 1953. 

    There are many others frauds like that which keep going on. https://creation.com/the-piltdown-man-fraud

    This is a good recent Creation Science Textbook online: http://www.creationscience.com/onlinebook/Preface.html

    Even the Scientific Evidence against Evolution, as Matthew and others posted, becomes more and more overwhelming as time goes on.

    I wish the SSPX would be leading the dogmatic and scientific fight against this unscientific atheistic modernist heresy of evolution.

    It explicitly contradicts revolution. St. Kolbe's Catholic Creation Centre has some good articles against it. Even on the old SSPX website, you will see some great articles - the Communists used to brainwash Christians in their countries into atheism by promoting evolution.

    http://kolbecenter.org/adam-and-eve-writings-mystical-saints-doctors-church/

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    Adam and Eve in the Writings of the Mystical Saints and Doctors of the Church
    by Hugh Owen
    Prophets of the Past
    A prophet is one who speaks for God.  Thus, the prophets of Holy Scripture and, to a lesser degree, the saints and doctors of the Church whose mystical writings were found free from all error in faith and morals—all are witnesses to the Truth that comes from God—from God, who wants all men “to come to the knowledge of the Truth” that they might be saved.  This paper will examine the writings of Moses, the greatest of the prophets of the past, as well as the writings of other great mystical saints and doctors of the Church on the creation of Adam and Eve, to show that our loving Father has given us a continuous witness to the truth of the sacred history of Genesis and that it is the height of folly and ingratitude to argue as so many do today that God allowed His Church to believe and proclaim a false account of the origins of man and the universe for almost two thousand years, only to “enlighten” her to the truth of their origins through the speculations of godless men who hated the Church and wanted to destroy her. May the testimony of these holy witnesses shock us out of our timid submission to the wild conjectures of evolutionary speculation disguised as “science” and call us back to a proper reverence and submission to God’s revelation of what He did when there were no rational witnesses but the angelic choirs!

    Moses: Prophet of the Past
    For the Fathers of the Church, Moses was the prophet of the past who described what God showed him regarding the creation of the world. In the words of St. John Chrysostom:
    All the other prophets spoke either of what was to occur after a long time or of what was about to happen then; but he, the blessed (Moses), who lived many generations after (the creation of the world), was vouchsafed by the guidance of the right hand of the Most High to utter what had been done by the Lord before his own birth.[1]
    The greatest Fathers and Doctors of the Church concurred with St. John Chrysostom. St. Ambrose wrote that:
    Moses spoke to God the Most High, not in a vision nor in dreams, but mouth to mouth (Numbers 12:6-8). Plainly and clearly, not by figures nor by riddles, there was bestowed on him the gift of the Divine presence. And so Moses opened his mouth and uttered what the Lord spoke within him, according to the promise He made to him when He directed him to go to King Pharaoh: “Go therefore and I will open thy mouth and instruct thee what thou shouldest speak” (Ex. 4:12). For, if he had already accepted from God what he should say concerning the liberation of the people, how much more should you accept what He should say concerning heaven? Therefore, “not in the persuasive words of wisdom,” not in philosophical fallacies, “but in demonstration of the Spirit and power” (1 Cor. 2:4), he has ventured to say as if he were a witness of the Divine work: “In the beginning God created heaven and earth.” [2]
    St. Basil taught that Moses was:
    The man who is made equal to the angels, being considered worthy of the sight of God face to face, [who] reports to us those things which he heard from God.[3]
    St. John Chrysostom adds that:
    It is for this reason that he begins to speak thus: “In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth,” as if calling out to us all with a loud voice: it is not by the instruction of men that I say this; He Who called them (heaven and earth) out of non-being into being – it is He Who has roused my tongue to relate of them. And therefore I entreat you, let us pay heed to these words as if we heard not Moses but the very Lord of the universe Who speaks through the tongue of Moses, and let us take leave for good of our own opinions.[4]
     
    "We wish also to make amends for the insults to which Your Vicar on earth and Your Priests are everywhere subjected [above all by schismatic sedevacantists - Nishant Xavier], for the profanation, by conscious neglect or Terrible Acts of Sacrilege, of the very Sacrament of Your Divine Love; and lastly for the Public Crimes of Nations who resist the Rights and The Teaching Authority of the Church which You have founded." - Act of Reparation to the Sacred Heart of Lord Jesus.

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    Re: Fr. Chazal Rips Fr. Robinson's Book
    « Reply #37 on: February 16, 2019, 01:23:06 AM »
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  • The Catholic Church from the 1950's called. They want their compromise with modern science back.

    Seriously, the Church was trying to concede a bit when it looked like Evolution was proven. It's not like the Church is going to say the whole thing is just a scam. They had to re-evaluate what they were absolutely certain about.

    But today, with knowledge of DNA, genetics, etc. there are NO reason to believe in any kind of evolution or speciation by means of Natural Selection. It has been proven mathematically impossible due to the nature of genes.

    Look into various animals whose "machines" had to be created *all at once* or the creature would die. That basically disproves incremental, mutation, natural selection-based evolution.

    More information is NEVER given to a new generation. Mutations actually limit or destroy information in the new "version" of the species, not the other way around. And so on.

    You are the same one who supports the neo-SSPX. How typical you believe in Evolution and think Fr. Chazal is nutty. I think you are a sad case.

    Yes, in 2019, why state that we must accept the Big Bang and evolution when these same secular scientists can't even bring themselves to defend the most obvious biological reality that there are only two sexes? The ruse is up.

    The evolutionists do not teach monogenism, but polygenism and that groups evolve on a micro and macro level. Hence, even using Pope Pius XII, evolution is ruled out by proxy.  

    Banezian reveals a lot of ignorance on this topic as a well as an attitude that is snippy, smug, and glib. He seems to have assumed that the traditional understanding of Creation was some recent view that was almost exclusive to the Resistance. How can you be that unaware? Spiritual blindness. Consider also that he doesn't see the contradiction between his screen name and a position (theistic evolution) that would lead him to adopt a view of the fall that would entail an odd mixture of both Pelagianism and Manichaeism.    

    Pray for me, always.


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    Re: Fr. Chazal Rips Fr. Robinson's Book
    « Reply #38 on: February 16, 2019, 01:37:24 AM »
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  • http://www.papalencyclicals.net/pius10/p10lamen.htm


    Lamentabili Sane
    Pope Pius X - 1907
    SYLLABUS CONDEMNING THE ERRORS OF THE MODERNISTS

    #64 "Scientific progress demands that the concepts of Christian doctrine concerning God, creation, revelation, the Person of the Incarnate Word, and Redemption be re-adjusted."

    #65 "Modern Catholicism can be reconciled with true science only if it is transformed into a non-dogmatic Christianity; that is to say, into a broad and liberal Protestantism."

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    Re: Fr. Chazal Rips Fr. Robinson's Book
    « Reply #39 on: February 16, 2019, 08:21:45 AM »
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  • Syllabus of Errors
    Pope Pius IX --- 1864

    Modified Rationalism

    12. The decrees of the Apolostic see and of the Roman Congregations hinder the free progress of science.

    Anti heliocentric Decree of the Holy Office 1616.

    (1) “That the sun is in the centre of the world and altogether immovable by local movement, was unanimously declared to be “foolish, philosophically absurd, and formally heretical, inasmuch as it expressly contradicts the declarations of Holy Scripture in many passages, according to the proper meaning of the language used, and the sense in which they have been expounded and understood by the Fathers and theologians.”

    Pro heliocentric Decree of the Holy Office 1820.
    1820 Decree states
    : ‘The Assessor of the Holy Office has referred the request of Giuseppe Settele, Professor of Astronomy at La Sapienza University, regarding permission to publish his work Elements of Astronomy in which he espouses the common opinion of the astronomers of our time regarding the Earth’s daily and yearly motions, to His Holiness through Divine Providence, Pope Pius VII. Previously, His Holiness had referred this request to the Supreme Sacred Congregation and concurrently to the consideration of the Most Eminent and Reverend General Cardinal Inquisitor. His Holiness has decreed that no obstacles exist for those who sustain Copernicus’ affirmation regarding the Earth’s movement in the manner in which it is affirmed today, even by Catholic authors. He has, moreover, suggested the insertion of several notations into this work, aimed at demonstrating that the above mentioned affirmation, as it is has come to be understood, does not present any difficulties; difficulties that existed in times past, prior to the subsequent astronomical observations that have now occurred. [Pope Pius VII] has also recommended that the implementation [of these decisions] be given to the Cardinal Secretary of the Supreme Sacred Congregation and Master of the Sacred Apostolic Palace. He is now appointed the task of bringing to an end any concerns and criticisms regarding the printing of this book, and, at the same time, ensuring that in the future, regarding the publication of such works, permission is sought from the Cardinal Vicar whose signature will not be given without the authorization of the Superior of his Order.

    Pro heliocentric Decree of the Holy Office 1822.

    ‘The most excellent [Holy Office] have decreed that there must be no denial, by the present or by future Masters of the Sacred Apostolic Palace, of permission to print and to publish works which treat of the mobility of the Earth and of the immobility of the sun, according to the common opinion of modern astronomers, as long as there are no other contrary indications, on the basis of the decrees of the Sacred Congregation of the Index of 1757 and of this Supreme [Holy Office] of 1820; and that those who would show themselves to be reluctant or would disobey, should be forced under punishments at the choice of [this] Sacred Congregation, with derogation of [their] claimed privileges, where necessary.’

    Now which of the above contradicting decrees is Church teaching? Which does not hinder the free progress of science?

    Now you see what the Galilean Reformation did. this is modernism personified.

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    Re: Fr. Chazal Rips Fr. Robinson's Book
    « Reply #40 on: February 16, 2019, 08:41:39 AM »
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  • A General Introduction to Scripture

    by

    Fr. A.E. Breen, Ph.D., D.D. (1908 )


    Preface to the 2nd Edition:

    "We live in an age of great activity.  It is an age wherein material progress and love of material pleasure tend to enfeeble man's hold on the supernatural world.  It is most evident that there is a general movement away from the spiritual world. In non-Catholic thought the idea of a reduced Christianity is dominant.  A mere natural religion recommends itself to many.  "The natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him; and he cannot know them because they are spiritually examined."  [I. Cor. II. 14] Instead of accepting religion as a mysterious message from Heaven, men make a religion that is not religious.  A religion is sought that will not interfere with man's worldly tastes and pleasures.  Human reason is made the judge of all the works of God.  Arianism is recrudescent under another name and formula.  The mystery of Christ's Divinity, the miracles of the Bible, the extraordinary action of God in the Revelation and Inspiration of the Scriptures are made the special objects of attack in this modern fashion of thought.

    That which is most deplorable is that this tendency has in some degree invaded the minds of some Catholic scholars.  Clear calls of warning come from Christ's Vicar; the danger is grave.  The demon of unbelief finds strong allies in the pride and rebellion of fallen human nature.

    During the last 25 years the Church has waged a fierce battle in defense of the Holy Scriptures.  In this fight her worst enemies are those of her own children, who, making dishonorable compromises with the Rationalists, the "true children and inheritors of the older heretics," make a breach in the walls which they have sworn to defend."


    For those whose faith in religion, Scripture, and inerrancy, has been destabilized by Fr. Robinson's book, I recommend this book as an antidote (particularly, the first 239 pages).  Picture of the table of contents attached (you must be logged in to view).




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    Re: Fr. Chazal Rips Fr. Robinson's Book
    « Reply #41 on: February 16, 2019, 09:04:18 AM »
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  • A General Introduction to Scripture

    by

    Fr. A.E. Breen, Ph.D., D.D. (1908 )


    Preface to the 2nd Edition:

    "We live in an age of great activity.  It is an age wherein material progress and love of material pleasure tend to enfeeble man's hold on the supernatural world.  It is most evident that there is a general movement away from the spiritual world. In non-Catholic thought the idea of a reduced Christianity is dominant.  A mere natural religion recommends itself to many.  "The natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him; and he cannot know them because they are spiritually examined."  [I. Cor. II. 14] Instead of accepting religion as a mysterious message from Heaven, men make a religion that is not religious.  A religion is sought that will not interfere with man's worldly tastes and pleasures.  Human reason is made the judge of all the works of God.  Arianism is recrudescent under another name and formula.  The mystery of Christ's Divinity, the miracles of the Bible, the extraordinary action of God in the Revelation and Inspiration of the Scriptures are made the special objects of attack in this modern fashion of thought.

    That which is most deplorable is that this tendency has in some degree invaded the minds of some Catholic scholars.  Clear calls of warning come from Christ's Vicar; the danger is grave.  The demon of unbelief finds strong allies in the pride and rebellion of fallen human nature.

    During the last 25 years the Church has waged a fierce battle in defense of the Holy Scriptures.  In this fight her worst enemies are those of her own children, who, making dishonorable compromises with the Rationalists, the "true children and inheritors of the older heretics," make a breach in the walls which they have sworn to defend."


    For those whose faith in religion, Scripture, and inerrancy, has been destabilized by Fr. Robinson's book, I recommend this book as an antidote (particularly, the first 239 pages).  Picture of the table of contents attached (you must be logged in to view).

    PS: The entire 800 page book is available free and online here: https://www.ecatholic2000.com/breen/untitled.shtml

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    Re: Fr. Chazal Rips Fr. Robinson's Book
    « Reply #42 on: February 16, 2019, 09:07:36 AM »
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  • How unfortunate that an SSPX'er showed up to derail the thread.

    Good for Fr. Chazal for speaking against the dangerous heresies of Stanley Jaki contained in Fr. Robinson's book.

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    Re: Fr. Chazal Rips Fr. Robinson's Book
    « Reply #43 on: February 16, 2019, 11:27:15 AM »
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  • Wonderful preface X, unfortunately the rest of it says this:

    The study of Holy Scripture is proposed in that remarkable encyclical, “Providentissimus Deus,” as the chief remedy against the evil doctrinal tendencies of our time. This study cannot be pursued without a competent knowledge of the questions which an Introduction to Holy Scripture treats. The very key to the present situation is a right idea of the Inspiration of Holy Scripture. Hence in this Second Edition of my work, I have devoted about one third of the volume to this great theme. I have endeavored in all things to be conservative. I have endeavored to present a fair examination of the different theories, and in judging of them, the authority of the Church has been the norm. My treatise on the Canon of the Old Testament may be judged excessively long, but I have contemplated this as a work of reference, in which completeness of treatment is required. My hope is that I may have, in some small degree, helped the Cause of Christ.

    As I showed in an earlier post, it was Providentissimus Deus that really opened up the Scriptures to the dictates of science when it said:

    ‘15: But [the interpreter] must not on that account consider that it is forbidden, when just cause exists, to push enquiry and exposition beyond what the Fathers have done; provided he carefully observes the rule so wisely laid down by St Augustine – not to depart from the literal and obvious sense, except only where reason makes it untenable or necessity requires, a rule to which it is more necessary to adhere strictly in these times, when the thirst for novelty and unrestrained freedom of thought make the danger of error most real and proximate.’ Neither should those passages be neglected which the Fathers have understood in an allegorical or figurative sense.’--- Providentissimus Deus.


    And this passage, I have demonstrated became the ROCK upon which atheistic philosophy determined a MODERNIST interpretation of scripture.

    In 1632, Galileo’s long awaited book Dialogue on the Two Chief World Systems was published. Upon reading it, the Pope saw it depicted the heliocentric system as more than a mathematical ‘hypothesis;’ more than a physical theory, indeed as the logical and preferential order of the universe. The Pope immediately ordered all copies of the book found to be seized; heterodoxy he said, that ‘puts the Catholic faith in danger.’ The Pontiff knew of course that if the Church’s authority, hermeneutics and exegesis were ignored or tampered with in this particular case, then what other biblical revelation was safe thereafter. Moreover, Urban VIII, with Bruno’s trial in mind, feared another outbreak of Pythagorean ideas, heresies - [other worlds and aliens]  and blasphemies associated with the pagan heliocentrism if it was allowed to be presented as a certain truth.

    The heliocentric heresy, Pope Urban VIII said, if adopted would 'put the Catholic faith in danger.'
    The above paragraph of Providentissimus Deus was quoted EVERYWHERE as confirming that Galileo was correct and all the Fathers wrong. And as history shows, heliocentrism gave birth to the first evolution theory, the evolution of their solar system, then Long ages, then Darwin, then the Big Bang, so they too must be allowed.

    Now recall God called Satan the Father of Lies. Catholic teaching tells us man cannot comprehend the ability of Satan to inflict his lies on mankind, 'even on the elect, as the Bible says. Only in the last 20 years has the hidden history of Satan's victory over the literal reading of Genesis come out in here and there in dribs and drabs. Now this history, that I managed for over 30 years to put together, has shocked me, but it cannot be denied anymore, the Cat is out of the bag, all the evidence in the public forum.

    It all began in 1741 when the first pope was told by his top man in the Holy Office that heliocentrism was proven and all philosophers 'of importance' had no doubt any more. Here was the first test of FAITH, and the pope failed it giving concessions to books describing heliocentrism. Then in 1820-35 two more popes were assured heliocentrism was proven and in spite of my hero Fr Fillipo Anfossi (1748-1825) telling them it had not been proven and that the 1616 decree was infallible, the popes allowed or rather allowed by inference that the literal geocentrism of Scripture really meant the opposite, heliocentrism. Then every other literal revelation of Genesis was reinterpreted to comply with evolution and not one evolutionary reinterpretation was condemned as formal heresy because popes feared they could be 'wrong' once more.

    Modernism began when popes ignored the dogma of a geocentric Genesis. Never before did a pope reverse the official teaching of a previous pope. The excuses conjured up to avoid this charge fill books.  This placed popes like Pius IX, Leo XIII in an impossible position trying to stop modernism. Why even Fr Breen, with his brilliant preface did not know the licence Providentissimus Deus gave the Galileo U-turn and atheistic phiolosophy in 'reducing Christianity to a movement away from the spiritual world'.

    And there is Fr Paul Robinson, SSPX, backed up by their websites continuing the Devil's work.
    Thank God for CIF who are not afraid of the truth and do not shoot the messengers as they do on other 'Catholic' forums.








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    Re: Fr. Chazal Rips Fr. Robinson's Book
    « Reply #44 on: February 16, 2019, 12:25:15 PM »
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  • Fr. Breen contra Fr. Robinson (Ch. 2, op. cit.):

    "It is defined by the Church that God is the Author of the entire Scriptures with all their parts, for the reason that they were written by men inspired by the Holy Ghost. This definition extends inspiration to every enunciation of Holy Scripture, and the definition goes farther, and declares that the whole Scriptures thus inspired contain no error. Now if we exempt certain passages of Holy Writ from this infallible inspiration, we sever the vital unity of the Scriptures, we practise vivisection in the strict sense. A proposition may be enunciated in different words, and still preserve its identity of sense; but a sentence can not be true and false at the same time. When we say that inspired writers wrote the message of God with infallible truth, but with words which they themselves determined within the range of fitting words, we leave to God his rightful character as Inspirer and Author of the Scriptures; but when we say that the inspired writers wrote partly true things and partly false, we can not make God the Author of such a medley of truth and falsehood. The divine action of inspiration enlightens the mind of the writer to conceive ideas of the truths he is to deliver. These concepts must be true. Truth is one. But without detriment to their truth these concepts may in general be expressed by different words. They demand apt words, but not determinate forms of expression; and here we place the liberty of the inspired writer. When Abraham goes down with his wife Sarah into Egypt, and she is taken from him into the house of Pharaoh, there is but one concept that corresponds to it. It may be expressed in different words, but the event has an individual unity, and there can be but one true idea of it. Therefore when the writer records that event, he must reproduce that determinate fact. Therefore when we find such historical statements in the Bible we must conclude that they are historically true. They cannot be allegories, or parables: all the characteristics of allegory and parable are absent. They form a part of a real history; their context shows that the writers meant them as real history."