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Fr. Chazal response to Fr. Schmidberger
« on: February 08, 2025, 08:37:15 AM »
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  • Reverend Father,
    It is understandable that you should be good to Bishop Williamson only 'iuxta modum', in a limited way, just like we are when some of you depart. When bishop Tissier departed, we all said masses for him, and praised him, until 2012, just wishing he could have been a bit stronger. If you depart one day (God forbid that day may be soon), we will remember your apostolic zeal, and your leadership over the greatest period of expansion of the sspx. Truly, in the 1990s, the sspx was the 'Das Boote' of combat efficiency against the evil empire of Vatican II. After that, well, we are still Huondering. We had to part, we could not agree; let us wait Rome converts, and we will be perfect friends again. De mortuis nihil nisi bonum.

    Still, one can wonder at the amount of thorny flowers you are laying at the grave of the departed bishop. The list is quite long:
    1. Credence to supernatural messages, apparitions and supernatural phenomena: Our entire religion is revealed and a supernatural message and apparition... apparuit humanitas et benignitas Salvatoris nostri Iesu Christi, says St Paul in the Christmas Liturgy. These are your words; what is the problem in believing in supernatural manifestations? The twelve did, and here we are.
    2. Naturalism. Giving politics and contemporary phenomena an excessive amount of space in sermons and lectures. This one is difficult to quantify, because overall, the bishop spent 90% of his time not mentioning current events. The covidiotic reign of communism had to be addressed, and people looked for guidance in refusing the destructive vaccines. One should be thankful that the bishop was available, while the sspx turned out so weak on the question. Modern world is a world of lies, lies, lies... which we cannot ignore if we want to be able to give some space to virtue, and enable families to raise catholic children. 
    The training of the bishop did give a wide space to the knowledge of human nature, something utterly necessary for a priest's career; and he was very keen to rescue us from any 'holier than thou' supernaturalism... all the way down his downplaying of the ragtag army of the 'resistance' you are at liberty to despise.
    3. H0ll0w cost denial... leading to a 'label' which the sspx struggled to free itself for years. Again, here, are we in need of a "quality label" from the powers that be, instead of disturbing the powerful, while they destroy Christian Civilization or just exterminate the Palestinians? At the time of the Swedish TV interview, the school of Diestedde was already in difficulty, and perhaps I am not aware of any further damage to the sspx german apostolate. But even here the bishop was willing to apologize for the damage the district may have incurred, but stood firm against modern lies. This, in turn, has brought many people to the true religion. Here in Asia, the sympathy for bishop Williamson is immense, and will endure much longer after his departure. In Japan, the sspx published a very kind obituary of Bishop Williamson, and all their faithful keep a great sympathy for him. I must use the occasion to acknowledge the many kind mentions, throughout the sspx, on the accident, then death of bishop Williamson; and they invite you to do the same, "den alles Fleisch es ist wie gras".
    4. Errors and confusion caused by the Eleison Comments. It is one of the motives of expulsion of Bishop Williamson. The Eleison comments are just continuations of the letters of the Rector, and reflect a position that has not changed, since Father Williamson was appointed by Archbishop Lefebvre as the rector of Ridgefield, Connecticut a long, long time ago. If you can demonstrate an erroneous change of position since them and a confusion on our constant position against the conciliar church, sedevacantists, feeneyites, americanists, feminists, globalists, ʝʊdɛօ-masons, liberals, covidists, communist, progressivists, etcteists, please inform us, but in the confused times of ours, while heresy reigns supreme in the Vatican, these comments were a beacon, a lighthouse, regularly sweeping the horizon week after week. You could say that this warrior died sword in hand, and he probably got his brain hemorrhage figuring out what his next Eleison comment would be about. And yes, they did at times address current events, just like Archbishop Lefebvre was also well informed on current events, being dragged also before the courts because of his prophecies about France.
    5. Greater error and confusion caused by his episcopal consecrations, which lacked and still lack any objective necessity and any sensus ecclesiae.
    Do you mean the sspx does not need to consecrate bishops? If Bishop Williamson had not consecrated bishops, what do you expect us to do, since you threw us out? Do we have to ask novus ordo bishops, whose errors we fight? How can it be against the sensus Ecclesiae to provide priests for tomorrow, without strings attached to the conciliar errors? How can you say there is no objective necessity for episcopal consecration at the very moment the sspx needs to consecrate its own bishops, without papal mandate, since Francis is so hellbent to crush Tradition?
    The sensus Ecclesiae is the abhorrence of the Church for the crime and sin of heresy, and the providing of the lifeline of sacramental grace for her children. Six as they may be, our bishops are already quite busy, and the amount of work ahead of them is constantly increasing.
    If by miracle he persuades Bishop de Galarreta and Fellay to provide the sspx with correct bishops, Father Pagliarani will have to face the liberal wing of the sspx, the conciliar church to which the sspx is tied up now and the masonic modern governments and vile media. Your words, and the words of the German superior of the sspx do not bode well, and from the outside, they confirm that the sspx is divided on that question. 
    Beyond his grave, the consecrations by Bishop Williamson may tilt the balance in favor of your own 'operation survival'... unless you are willing to use one day, the very bishops you condemn now.

    Perhaps it would help you to consider that this famous convert was struck on the feast of the conversion of St Paul (of whom he was a brilliant expert); and passed on the feast of the saintliest french bishop of the Tridentine period, St Francis de Sales... for let us not forget that he was very sweet, on the point of weakness with the weak, taking a lot of flak for that even in our circles; while he did not back down before the strong; and that includes you, Reverend Father.
    So I understand your frustration, and I am sure we all forgive it in advance of the better times to come.
    Reverenter, in Iesu et Maria,
    Francois Chazal+
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    Re: Fr. Chazal response to Fr. Schmidberger
    « Reply #1 on: February 08, 2025, 09:05:53 AM »
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  • Actually , it was very thoughtful and respectful letter. 
    Father Chazal showed a lot of holy restraint. God bless him.


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    Re: Fr. Chazal response to Fr. Schmidberger
    « Reply #2 on: February 08, 2025, 12:44:31 PM »
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  • Actually , it was very thoughtful and respectful letter.
    Father Chazal showed a lot of holy restraint. God bless him.

    I agree. I hope that Fr. Schmidberger reads it carefully and takes all of it into consideration, with honesty and charity. 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Fr. Chazal response to Fr. Schmidberger
    « Reply #3 on: February 08, 2025, 12:58:55 PM »
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  • Of all the points Fr. Ch. makes, I cite number 3.  +W's remarks and published statements about the  h0Ɩ0h0αx are the most telling.  What he said about this bogus historical event over at least 20 years, finally cooked +W's goose with the Society.  Because I believe quite strongly that SSPX hierarchy, including, and most importantly, Bp Fellay, have always been quite cozy with the Chosen- one in particular.  The "Red Sea Pedestrians," I believe, gained almost full control of the Society after ++Lefebvre's death.  Fellay & Co. are in the pockets of these criminal activists.  The SSPX needs to be dissolved.

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    Re: Fr. Chazal response to Fr. Schmidberger
    « Reply #4 on: February 08, 2025, 06:07:32 PM »
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  • It was in fact the feast of St Timothy, the vigil of the Conversion of St Paul, when Bishop Williamson was struck down. This is from the Respice Stellam website:

    By the Site Administrator on February 1, 2025

    His Excellency Bishop Williamson went to his eternal reward yesterday, 29th January 2025, at 11:23pm GMT following a final agony of “a matter of minutes.” He had suffered a cerebral haemorrhage during the evening of Friday 24th January when he was taken to hospital.




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    Re: Fr. Chazal response to Fr. Schmidberger
    « Reply #5 on: February 08, 2025, 06:49:49 PM »
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  • Of all the points Fr. Ch. makes, I cite number 3.  +W's remarks and published statements about the  h0Ɩ0h0αx are the most telling.  What he said about this bogus historical event over at least 20 years, finally cooked +W's goose with the Society.  Because I believe quite strongly that SSPX hierarchy, including, and most importantly, Bp Fellay, have always been quite cozy with the Chosen- one in particular.  The "Red Sea Pedestrians," I believe, gained almost full control of the Society after ++Lefebvre's death.  Fellay & Co. are in the pockets of these criminal activists.  The SSPX needs to be dissolved.

    This Fr. Schmidberger fellow seems quite smart and somewhat venomous. I suspect that he is actually the boss, and Bp. Fellay was just a puppet. The fact that he uses the word "h0Ɩ0cαųst" makes he even more suspicious.

    There was a letter of when they expelled Bp. Williamson by him. It was much worse than this one, although the accusations were similar. He seems to me like one of those characters that work in the shadows. Jєωιѕн modus operandi.

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    Re: Fr. Chazal response to Fr. Schmidberger
    « Reply #6 on: February 09, 2025, 04:54:44 PM »
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    This Fr. Schmidberger fellow seems quite smart and somewhat venomous. I suspect that he is actually the boss, and Bp. Fellay was just a puppet. The fact that he uses the word "h0Ɩ0cαųst" makes he even more suspicious.

    There was a letter of when they expelled Bp. Williamson by him. It was much worse than this one, although the accusations were similar. He seems to me like one of those characters that work in the shadows. Jєωιѕн modus operandi.
    Whoever "the boss" is presently is of secondary importance.  You recognize the "Jєωιѕн mous operandi."  That's the important thing to remember.  SSPX has turned into a Jєωιѕн-run organization.  That's the point to remember.  The Jews got their noses under the tent.  Now, it appears, the whole camel occupies the Society's interior.

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    Re: Fr. Chazal response to Fr. Schmidberger
    « Reply #7 on: February 09, 2025, 06:57:48 PM »
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  • +W, the fighter,  had to pay something like 20 K € as a fine in Germany for speaking the truth... When he spoke in Canada many years ago, he spoke of the pedestria of dah red sea and the next day, the coppers wanted to have a recording of the conference...to arrist H.E.  Uum...no one had a recording!...mental reservationwise.  neoSspx, they could learn a lesson: Money is only a tool. Love of money, root of all evil. 
    I enjoyed reading Fr. Chazal's letter...Fr. would have made a great attorney.


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    Re: Fr. Chazal response to Fr. Schmidberger
    « Reply #8 on: February 09, 2025, 07:19:39 PM »
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  • I’m glad some one had the guts to respond to Fr. Schmidberger, someone who knows him, personally; someone Fr. S. knows personally.  Thank you, Fr. Chazal! 
    :fryingpan: Key: Purple = Fr. Chazal
                     Pink    = Fr. Schmidberger
    :'(              Blue    = Me

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    Re: Fr. Chazal response to Fr. Schmidberger
    « Reply #9 on: February 09, 2025, 07:47:50 PM »
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  • …Fr. would have made a great attorney.

    His Contra Cekada was the most jumbled, virtually unreadable, and unconvincing publication I have read since the тαℓмυd, the Mishnah of which ironically was also penned by "the Chazal."

    To be clear, I am not accusing Fr. Chazal of teaching тαℓмυd, only that his writing is of spotty quality.

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    Re: Fr. Chazal response to Fr. Schmidberger
    « Reply #10 on: February 09, 2025, 07:58:18 PM »
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  • His Contra Cekada was the most jumbled, virtually unreadable, and unconvincing publication I have read since the тαℓмυd, the Mishnah of which ironically was also penned by "the Chazal."

    To be clear, I am not accusing Fr. Chazal of teaching тαℓмυd, only that his writing is of spotty quality.
    Jumbled is otherwise known as Chazalisms, for which he is famous. A few people are capable of translation. With the loss of +Bp. Williamson, there is one less translator in the world.