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Re: Fr. Chazal on SSPX/COVID19 Vaccinations Article
« Reply #245 on: November 30, 2020, 08:12:57 PM »
There were many many more Catholics who who were coerced and took the Oath out of great fear .  In other words ...without full consent, a necessary component for mortal sin. So no one here should be asserting that these Catholics committed mortal sin.

Even if the Church determined that the COVID vaccine could result in mortal sin it would have to be taken with full consent.  I suspect that anyone here who would end up doing so against such a Church determination would be doing so unwillingly.





Re: Fr. Chazal on SSPX/COVID19 Vaccinations Article
« Reply #246 on: November 30, 2020, 08:29:58 PM »
Obviously they were guilty of mortal sin.

It was a formal act of apostasy which they were obliged to resist even unto martyrdom.

I get the distinct impression some here believe their religion ought not inconvenience them, much less ever require martyrdom.

I was researching to refute 2Vermont, and stumbled across this from St. Thomas Aquinas (Q. 125, Art. 4, Secunda Secundae):

"Now the evils of the soul are more to be feared than the evils of the body. and evils of the body more than evils of external things. Wherefore if one were to incur evils of the soul, namely sins, in order to avoid evils of the body, such as blows or death, or evils of external things, such as loss of money; or if one were to endure evils of the body in order to avoid loss of money, one would not be wholly excused from sin. Yet one's sin would be extenuated somewhat, for what is done through fear is less voluntary, because when fear lays hold of a man he is under a certain necessity of doing a certain thing. Hence the Philosopher (Ethic. iii, 1) says that these things that are done through fear are not simply voluntary, but a mixture of voluntary and involuntary."
https://www.newadvent.org/summa/3125.htm

Consequently, I modify my own opinion quoted above:

It would certainly be grave matter, but may not be mortal sin.

Concedo.


Re: Fr. Chazal on SSPX/COVID19 Vaccinations Article
« Reply #247 on: November 30, 2020, 11:23:28 PM »
"The three most reliable sources to date of abundant fetal stem cells are the placenta, amniotic fluid, and umbilical cord blood." Source: https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/medicine-and-dentistry/fetal-stem-cell
Realize that ((science)) must blur distinctions between fetal and supportive gestational tissues that are NOT fetal to muddy the waters and redefine what is objectively true so most will accept this generic unthreatening false definition of what fetal cells lines are. Babies (fetuses) are NOT placentas or umbilical cords. Like I said before, they should use these cells (placental and umbilical) for vaccines as they are just as effective and leave the poor baby alone, but they do not.

For example ((science)) has redefined  implantation as the new "conception". Why ? So they can  call abortifacients which kill embryos before implantation just "contraception. Today, because of the purposeful language distortion, you must use the term "fertilization" for clarity about conception. Women who take the abortifacients thinking they are contraceptives' never realize they are committing abortion. if you control the language you control it all . The deception is very thick

Re: Fr. Chazal on SSPX/COVID19 Vaccinations Article
« Reply #248 on: November 30, 2020, 11:48:47 PM »
Do you accept that using human cells to make vaccines is morally indifferent?

Re: Fr. Chazal on SSPX/COVID19 Vaccinations Article
« Reply #249 on: December 01, 2020, 01:18:01 AM »
Do you accept that using human cells to make vaccines is morally indifferent?
It depends on the method that has been used to acquire the human cells. 
If the method is moral, say through placental cells, it could be morally indifferent. 
If the cells are acquired at the cost of the death of the subject, say an aborted infant, it is not morally indifferent but morally repugnant - a grave sin.

https://www.encyclopedia.com/religion/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/indifferent-acts

Determinants of Morality. The morality of a human act is determined by three aspects of the action. First, there is the object about which the choice is concerned. This object, even when the choice remains purely internal, can be considered the substance of the act. Second, the circuмstances of time, place, status of the person, means, and manner qualify the object of the act and are concomitant determinants of the morality of the act. Third, the circuмstance of purpose or reason for the act deserves special attention because the end colors the entire choice as qualified by the other circuмstances. For a human act to be morally good, all three of these moral determinants must be good; that is, they must conform to objective norms of morality. Subjectively, the individual must follow his certain conscience dictating that all three elements are moral. If any of the three moral determinants is evil, then the entire act is morally evil. To choose something good, but for an evil purpose, vitiates the entire act. To choose something good for a good purpose but at a wrong time can make the whole act evil.