Author Topic: Fr. Chazal is now expelled (Read 6882 times)

trento · « **Reply #15 on:** September 24, 2012, 02:32:03 AM »

Quote from: Nauta

I would like to be clear that the letter is not new since I heard I heard Fr. Ghela say that the letter is dated September 9. So I understand that that was the letter originally sent to the Korean faithful. And yes it was almost the same letter except that it clearly states that "Fr. Chazal is now expelled". I was shocked when I heard it. Fr. Chazal has heard it too since he didn't get out as he was told to.

Only a few gathered around Fr. Chazal after the mass. He asked me if I listened carefully to the letter being read. And I said yes. Then Fr. Chazal went on to say that that letter has been changed because in the original letter it was he who is expelling himself, but now it was they who expelled him.

Now they throw me out . I heard him say.

From Fr. Couture's letter of Sept 9:

Fathers François Chazal and Joseph Pfeiffer, as of today, Sunday September 9th are no
longer allowed to celebrate masses in any of our mass centers in the District of Asia. Father
Chazal, after receiving the two normal canonical monitions and by coming back to Asia
against a formal order of Bishop Fellay, signifies by this that he has now officially left the
Society of St Pius X.

Father Joseph Pfeiffer has already received and ignored two canonical warnings and is about
to be expelled. We can still however pray for a miracle to happen in order to prevent this.

Iuvenalis · « **Reply #16 on:** September 24, 2012, 12:46:10 PM »

For those of us who aren't as plugged into the intrigue in the SSPX in asia, what exactly, succinctly, got these priests, Chazal in particular, the boot?

Everything I can find is interminably longwinded on this matter. What happened, succinctly?

Telesphorus · « **Reply #17 on:** September 24, 2012, 12:50:47 PM »

Quote from: Iuvenalis

For those of us who aren't as plugged into the intrigue in the SSPX in asia, what exactly, succinctly, got these priests, Chazal in particular, the boot?

Everything I can find is interminably longwinded on this matter. What happened, succinctly?

You need to watch their sermons.

Here's the opening salvo:

trento · « **Reply #18 on:** September 24, 2012, 10:08:19 PM »

Quote from: Telesphorus

Quote from: Iuvenalis
For those of us who aren't as plugged into the intrigue in the SSPX in asia, what exactly, succinctly, got these priests, Chazal in particular, the boot?

Everything I can find is interminably longwinded on this matter. What happened, succinctly?

You need to watch their sermons.

Here's the opening salvo:

That's the opening salvo alright, a public reproach by Fr Chazal against Bishop Fellay. Then Fr Chazal was reassigned to the French District but refused. That's the summary of the matter. The rest are just side dishes.

Iuvenalis · « **Reply #19 on:** September 24, 2012, 11:14:30 PM »

Quote from: trento

Quote from: Telesphorus
Quote from: Iuvenalis
For those of us who aren't as plugged into the intrigue in the SSPX in asia, what exactly, succinctly, got these priests, Chazal in particular, the boot?

Everything I can find is interminably longwinded on this matter. What happened, succinctly?

You need to watch their sermons.

Here's the opening salvo:

That's the opening salvo alright, a public reproach by Fr Chazal against Bishop Fellay. Then Fr Chazal was reassigned to the French District but refused. That's the summary of the matter. The rest are just side dishes.

So... "disobediance"?

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #20 on:** September 24, 2012, 11:33:42 PM »

I had not read all of Fr. Chazal's open letters. Here's one from May 18th, 2012...

truetrad.com

From cathinfo.com

WAR IS ON

Bohol 18 May,

OLVC, Manila 20 May,

Seoul, 27 May 2012.

My dear faithful,

Part I

The Fornicating New Rome...

...Part II...
...Part III...

It ends with this:

PLOT COUNTERED

We can still believe, in may 2012, that Our Lady still loves the Society, for as a clear secret plan (deliberate or not, it doesn’t matter) and many things were set in place to bring about an official reunion of the official SSPX and the official church; in just a few days, the whole ship got torpedoed.

For it is Britain, and Britain gloriously alone that put an inglorious end to treason, by leaking letters on the internet. Indeed, in this hour, even the frogs will be forever in the debt of these British gentlemen at their finest. In one swift Nelsonian move, all the foul dispositions of our enemies got exposed and their lies confounded by their own mouths.

The most important thing that these letters do is to break the law of silence. Yes, we knew that something was brewing, and we were slowly talked into it, be we did not expect that it was in such an advanced stage. For our faithful, who for the most were completely unsuspecting, the brutal reality of a split in the Society appeared, thereby compelling them to reach for their rosaries and request the crisis to be averted.

The twin letters of Bishops give such perfect account of the opposite doctrinal positions in the SSPX, that hardly any one of us could give a better summary. Even if the Menzingen letter is written after, the letter of the three remains the answer to it; in such a wise as one could put the facing arguments in two opposite columns.

The Menzingen letter of one bishop sounds as it is written by three and the letter of the three bishops reads as it is written by one. The first part of the Menzingen letter read just like Dom Gerard in 1988, the second part, about depth and breadth seems to be written by somebody else who buys the notion that the hermeneutic of continuity of Benedict XVI is not all that bad, and the last third reads like our internal bulletin and directives that urge us to march triumphantly, we little oysters, into the canonical plate of the Walrus and Carpenter. Its tone is clearly the same tone as Bishop Fellay.

But the resistance of the three proved too strong to overcome, for the moment. Our Lady is indeed a most beautiful queen, and adding to her charm, three little animals came in succession: a cat, a lamb and a dove.

This letter no doubt got under +Fellay's skin pretty seriously..............

Iuvenalis · « **Reply #21 on:** September 25, 2012, 12:34:45 AM »

That one section of one letter explains more than hours of sermons.

Fellay had to get rid of him.

This reminds me of another thing I've been wondering: whatever happened to those that leaked the information and letter re:the talks with Rome?

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #22 on:** September 25, 2012, 01:58:08 AM »

Quote from: Iuvenalis

That one section of one letter explains more than hours of sermons.

Fellay had to get rid of him.

This reminds me of another thing I've been wondering: whatever happened to those that leaked the information and letter re: the talks with Rome?

I presume you're referring to those British Gentlemen at their finest?

Don't know. Keep an eye peeled.

If you think that portion is impressive, you should read the rest of it. "Dynamite"
is a soft term for this application. Suddenly I understand Fr. Chazal a lot better.
But I must say, as sobering as his words are, they give me a lot of consolation.
Because I believe he's saying what needs to be said. And his words come before
his actions, "as in the Epistles of St. Paul," like Fr. explains.

He is not calling other priests to follow his example, but he is doing what he
believes he must do, in answer to God's grace, on which he acts. In the end, it
seems to me that +Fellay could not have imagined that any of the SSPX priests
would say what Fr. has said here, nor do what he is now doing. Fr. Chazal is calling
his bluff, and it could well be a game changer. Once he is free of the nasty demands
of Menzingen, he will not be constrained under any obedience, whether true or false.

But then, you might start wondering what the consequence would be for any other
SSPX priest to associate with him. Time will tell. In the case of +Williamson, he
said some things to a reporter that violated civil law in Germany. Fr. Chazal has not
said anything like that. But his words seem to cut like a red hot knife through
butter. And it would seem that +Fellay prefers his butter in one piece.... so far.......

Iuvenalis · « **Reply #23 on:** September 25, 2012, 02:37:04 AM »

The 'good' thing about Fellay is, despite his agenda, he is quite inept.

Everytime he tried to conceal, quash, or threaten, it always ends up drawing *a lot* of additional attention to the very thing he wishes swept under a rug somewhere. If he was any better at his tactics, the remnant would be in more trouble.

poche · « **Reply #24 on:** September 26, 2012, 05:44:20 AM »

maybe we should pray for them

trento · « **Reply #25 on:** September 26, 2012, 09:27:35 PM »

This was forwarded to me by someone recently:

ultrarigorist · « **Reply #26 on:** September 26, 2012, 09:41:39 PM »

Quote from: trento

This was forwarded to me by someone recently:

Completely self-serving. The good fathers represent the sort of pastoral courage Fr. Couture would rather not be bothered about, so he disses them out of turn while claiming the Mass has been 'liberalised'. Not quite...

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #27 on:** September 26, 2012, 09:59:36 PM »

Rich. "Non Serviam" huh. Well, Father Bolduc sees all of this now, and I can pretty much tell that this letter by Father Couture is complete garbage.

As Father Bolduc said, "Never be silent on these things," and "When they tell you to be quiet, cry to the moon!"

And Father Pfeiffer and Father Chazal are more than welcome to come to Saint Michaels, if they are, in fact, independent priests! (Or send one! Please!)

Ethelred · « **Reply #28 on:** September 27, 2012, 02:36:17 AM »

Quote from: Iuvenalis

The 'good' thing about Fellay is, despite his agenda, he is quite inept.

Everytime he tried to conceal, quash, or threaten, it always ends up drawing *a lot* of additional attention to the very thing he wishes swept under a rug somewhere. If he was any better at his tactics, the remnant would be in more trouble.

Very well said. Iuvenalis, that's a smart observation.

If Bp Fellay's model, the Newpope, would be as inept as Bp F, the Newchurch would long be gone...
But unfortunately the Newpope is an highly intelligent heretic who twists such simpletons around his little finger.

I recently listened to some elder Bavarian men who live(d) in the same village as Ratzinger, knew him well for a long time and they said that he was always an opportunist and not to trust.

Well, Archbishop Lefebvre himself named Cardinal Ratzinger The SSPX' Angel of Death, in front of his seminarians in Ecône. And the good Archbishop's warning came true now. Because, even if there's no formal deal between the Neo-SSPX and Newrome, the adultery still happend in the minds (see April letter of Bp Fellay!) and so the (formal) SSPX dies.

chrstnoel1 · « **Reply #29 on:** September 27, 2012, 02:55:42 AM »

Some clarification about

Frs Chazal and Joe Pfeiffer

(as of September 22, 2012)

Are they in or out of the SSPX as of Sept 22?

Technically speaking, the canonical docuмents declaring their expulsion have not yet been issue, however,
in fact, in reality, they are acting completely independently of all the rules of the SSPX. They have founded on
their own initiative a new ‘priory’ in Boston, Kentucky; they claim Bp. Fellay and the district superiors as their
superiors, but ignore them 100%. Fr. Chazal does not wear the SSPX ‘uniform’ (the red sash is only used in
Southern India). The reality is that they do what they want, they are independent priests, still pretending to be
SSPX.

Has the SSPX really become ‘liberal’ ?

“He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone” (Jo 8:7)

Before making an accusation such as, “SSPX has become liberal ”, the two fathers should know that one
of the deep meaning of liberalism is a refusal to submit, according to Lucifer’s “Non serviam – I will not serve!”
They are finding faults with the SSPX to divert attention on their own rebellion.

That not every member of SSPX was always perfect, not just since 2000, but since its beginning in 1970,
no one can deny. Many examples can be found even when these fathers joined the SSPX in the 1980s and
1990s. Why did they join it then? But to say that the whole SSPX is ‘sinking’ because of what one priest said
here and another there, or even an SSPX website, is to exaggerate the reality. The SSPX as a whole is continuing
the battle it has waged since its beginning: the fight against the modern errors of Vatican II and against the
liturgical reform, the fight for the Catholic priesthood, the Traditional Mass and Tradition.

For instance, the US website has just (on Sept. 20) published articles against the New Mass and the
Council (the 1983 Episcopal Manifesto of Archbishop Lefebvre) See www.sspx.org .

Let the two fathers also recall the divine counsel: “Cast out first the beam in thy own eye, and then shalt
thou see to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.” (Mt 7:5)

Moreover, these priests will never quote the parts of the Declaration of the 2012 General Chapter
professing the faith against ecuмenism, collegiality, religious liberty, professing the true notion of the
Magisterium, recalling the rules of St Vincent of Lerins. They only quote what suits them and interpret it their
own way.

Doesn’t Bishop Tissier approve what they say?

In part, perhaps, but they will never say that Bishop Tissier disapproves completely their going away from
their assigned post, and disrupting the little army of the SSPX. Here is Bishop Tissier’s Sept. 7 fax to Fr. Couture.

Ecône, September 7th, 2012

Dear Rev. Father Couture,

Please find here a short summary of what I said to Father Chazal, during our interview that took place at Ecône
on Tuesday August 28th (if I remember)

“1) I understand your thinking against an agreement with the modernistic Rome. I too am against it; and
everybody knows that I efficiently manifested my opposition against any agreement without any sign of conversion of
the Conciliar Rome.

2) But I disagree with your means and ways. In the little army of the Society of Saint
Pius X, you are a simple soldier, not a captain. Please remain in your place. There are
captains, who can efficiently act by the General. [I meant the District Superiors and our
Bishops]

3) Please behave like/as a simple soldier and have full confidence in the action of the
captains by the General. They will surely usefully intervene when necessary.”

Dear Father, I hope that this truth about my interview with Fr Chazal will make peace in truth in the minds of
our beloved Faithful.

May Our Lady, who protected us against the peril of being divided by Rome’s attempts, keep all our Faithful in
the peaceful confidence in Her!

Your faithfully in Christ the King

+Bernard Tissier de Mallerais

Is it true that priests who speak against Bp. Fellay are “crushed, silenced & transferred to another
place”?

False! Fr. Joe was ordered 3 times, since August 1, to go to his assignment after he spoke out and he has refused to
go so far!!

The vast majority of the priests who have spoken out are still at their assigned places.

Every year in the SSPX there are dozens of reassignments, which often are the results of many combined
elements. To attribute a re-assignment to a particular reason without knowing the whole picture is to make a rash
judgment.

Is it true that the Rosary Crusades were a mockery of Our Lady?

Not at all.

1) Here is what Bishop Williamson himself wrote about it in September 2007

“Rebuilding”

La Reja, Argentina, August 25, 2007

“The argument continues to – I will not say, rage – but certainly go back and forth over Pope Benedict
XVI’s recent “Motu Proprio”, recognizing that the Tridentine rite of Mass was never abrogated, and granting to
priests anywhere in the Church a certain measure of freedom to celebrate it.

Serious heads condemn the docuмent for its doubletalk, and see in it no better than a decoy to lure
Traditional Catholics back into the quicksands of the Conciliar church.

As to the doubletalk, now favouring Catholicism, now favoring Conciliarism, there is no doubt about it.
Yet what else can one expect from what one might call a double-pope? Benedict XVI, like Paul VI and John-
Paul II before him, surely cannot see that he is believing in two contradictory religions at once. So he goes on
promoting both at once. Short of a miracle, Benedict XVI will follow this line to his grave. That is a mighty
crooked line, but as far as the Motu Proprio is concerned, surely that is not the main point.

The point as it seems to me is that, in the words of the proverb, “God writes straight with crooked lines.”
In many countries we hear of the Catholic laity and individual priests – not as a rule their bishops! – re-
awakening to the true rite of the Mass, ordering Missals, ordering Mass-kits, vestments, etc… I hear a hard-liner
protest !… I say, go easy, go easy. indeed not everything will be perfect all at once. There will be fumbling with the Latin, fumbling
with the rubrics and so on, and so on, but let us give God’s grace a chance ! With God a little good will goes a long way – A
Catholic priest is not rebuilt in a day !

Let me give you a controversial scenario. You do not have to believe in it, but here it is. Mankind’s present
desperate situation can be compared only to that of Noah’s time, just before the Flood. Our televidiot
civilization, now worldwide, can only crash. God cannot allow it to go on sleep-walking millions of souls into
Hell.

When it crashes, Catholics are going to be running through the streets, screaming for a priest to confess
their sins. There are not going to be enough liturgically perfect priests of the SSPX to go round. Therefore God
is preparing a number of priests – known only to himself – outside the SSPX for those dramatic days. The
“Motu Proprio”, enabling them to pick up the true rite of the Mass at least in private, is an important step in that
preparation.

Let us pray with all our hearts for all such priests, and for the Pope ! Kyrie Eleison.”

Bishop Richard Williamson

http://www.laportelatine.org/district/france/bo/MgrWilliamson/MPWilliamson.php

(My emphasis in italics)

2) Remember the victory of the rosary crusade in Lepanto in 1571 AD

It was one important victory over Islam. Our Lady did not crush the whole of Islam with this victory.
Nevertheless, every year the whole Church recalls it on October 7th. It is not a mockery of Our Lady to say it is
a victory although she did not stop the whole spreading of, nor crush Islam 100%. The prayers were heard
according to the will of God. It is similar with the liberalisation of the Tridentine mass in 2007.

Fr. Daniel Couture

September 21, 2012