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Offline Meg

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Re: Fr Chazal Conference in the UK November 2023
« Reply #60 on: December 16, 2023, 10:39:22 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on December 16, 2023, 10:36:21 AM
    Ah, yes, the "Sol Invictus" and "Mason" nonsense.  Well, that's because Father Jenkins is actually rational.

    Perhaps you should watch the last half of the video. You could use Fr. Jenkins' good advice regarding the "custody of the imagination." 

    Just sayin'.
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    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Fr Chazal Conference in the UK November 2023
    « Reply #61 on: December 16, 2023, 10:44:13 AM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on December 16, 2023, 10:39:22 AM
    Perhaps you should watch the last half of the video. You could use Fr. Jenkins' good advice regarding the "custody of the imagination."

    Just sayin'.

    What are you babbling about?  I wasn't the one promoting that outlandish nonsense.  You (and others) were.  I was the one denouncing YOUR imaginations running wild with slanderous nonsense.
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    Re: Fr Chazal Conference in the UK November 2023
    « Reply #62 on: December 16, 2023, 10:44:37 AM »
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    • So, Meg, are you rejecting the Resistance's praise and promotion of +Vigano?
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    Re: Fr Chazal Conference in the UK November 2023
    « Reply #63 on: December 16, 2023, 10:47:20 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on December 16, 2023, 10:44:37 AM
    So, Meg, are you rejecting the Resistance's praise and promotion of +Vigano?

    I don't agree with the Resistance' praise and promotion of Vigano. 

    I suppose that makes me now a hater of not only Vigano, but of the Resistance too, in your eyes? You are so immature, Ladislaus.
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    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Fr Chazal Conference in the UK November 2023
    « Reply #64 on: December 16, 2023, 10:50:23 AM »
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    • There are people that go and ask every priest they no their opinion and they keep asking until they hear an opinion that they like.  The internet allows one to pick and choose opinions.   Fr. Jenkins "one of the evil nine" has a great defender in Meg because it's Saturday. 
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    Re: Fr Chazal Conference in the UK November 2023
    « Reply #65 on: December 16, 2023, 11:07:15 AM »
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    • Quote from: Gunter on December 16, 2023, 10:50:23 AM
    There are people that go and ask every priest they no their opinion and they keep asking until they hear an opinion that they like.  The internet allows one to pick and choose opinions.  Fr. Jenkins "one of the evil nine" has a great defender in Meg because it's Saturday.

    And don't get me wrong, I greatly respect Father Jenkins.  Yet, as with others, I disagree with him on a few points ... 1) his/their position on the CMRI and the +Thuc lines, and 2) his/their position on the "Feeney' issue, and 3) their overall use of the Sacraments as weapons to impose their positions on such matters.  But Father Jenkins, overall, is an amazing priest, not only in terms of his intellect, but in terms of his pastorship and care for the faithful.  But I don't agree with him on some matters.
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    Re: Fr Chazal Conference in the UK November 2023
    « Reply #66 on: December 16, 2023, 11:13:26 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on December 16, 2023, 11:07:15 AM
    And don't get me wrong, I greatly respect Father Jenkins.  Yet, as with others, I disagree with him on a few points ... 1) his/their position on the CMRI and the +Thuc lines, and 2) his/their position on the "Feeney' issue, and 3) their overall use of the Sacraments as weapons to impose their positions on such matters.  But Father Jenkins, overall, is an amazing priest, not only in terms of his intellect, but in terms of his pastorship and care for the faithful.  But I don't agree with him on some matters.
    He is a solid priest just like the other "nine".  
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    Re: Fr Chazal Conference in the UK November 2023
    « Reply #67 on: December 16, 2023, 11:35:05 AM »
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    You chimed in multiple times on the "The Nine" thread deriding all of the "wicked Nine", but now Father Jenkins is great and the Resistance is wrong.
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    There are people that go and ask every priest they no their opinion and they keep asking until they hear an opinion that they like.  The internet allows one to pick and choose opinions.   Fr. Jenkins "one of the evil nine" has a great defender in Meg because it's Saturday. 
    :laugh1:

    Meg is really providing a lot of laughs lately.  
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    Re: Fr Chazal Conference in the UK November 2023
    « Reply #68 on: December 16, 2023, 11:40:25 AM »
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    I would hesitate to call +Vigano a "Bishop for the Resistance", except loosely, as Father Chazal laid it out, in terms of what he believes, and the Resistance is a loose term to begin with rather than some kind of formal organization.
    My first reaction to hearing Fr Chazal (a frenchman) say that +Vigano (an Italian) is part of the Resistance is because I think +Williamson (an englishman) realizes that they need an Italian cleric.  The resistance has most of the other countries covered.  (i'm joking).
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    Re: Fr Chazal Conference in the UK November 2023
    « Reply #69 on: December 16, 2023, 12:08:14 PM »
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    • Quote from: Gunter on December 16, 2023, 10:50:23 AM
    There are people that go and ask every priest they no their opinion and they keep asking until they hear an opinion that they like.  The internet allows one to pick and choose opinions.  Fr. Jenkins "one of the evil nine" has a great defender in Meg because it's Saturday.

    What is your opinion on what Fr. Jenkins said about Vigano? Did you listen to it at all?

    You want to make this about me, as is often the case with SV's who want to distract away from the subject at hand, or belittle the person who makes an unwelcome comment, but it would be good to see what you think about the subject that we were actually discussing.
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    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Fr Chazal Conference in the UK November 2023
    « Reply #70 on: December 16, 2023, 12:33:18 PM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on December 16, 2023, 12:08:14 PM
    What is your opinion on what Fr. Jenkins said about Vigano? Did you listen to it at all?

    You want to make this about me, as is often the case with SV's who want to distract away from the subject at hand, or belittle the person who makes an unwelcome comment, but it would be good to see what you think about the subject that we were actually discussing.
    If everything about +Vigano is true, we are witnessing  the possible road map for the return to Tradition.   Those who have removed themselves from the false religion and at best doubtful sacraments, are not confused about the process.   The Holy Ghost is leading many back to His perfect Church which needs no change or alterations. 
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    Re: Fr Chazal Conference in the UK November 2023
    « Reply #71 on: December 16, 2023, 02:16:02 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on December 16, 2023, 11:40:25 AM
    My first reaction to hearing Fr Chazal (a frenchman) say that +Vigano (an Italian) is part of the Resistance is because I think +Williamson (an englishman) realizes that they need an Italian cleric.  The resistance has most of the other countries covered.  (i'm joking).

    Yes, we have to not think of "the Resistance" as some kind of formal organization, but rather a group of Catholic clerics (and faithful) who disagree with "playing footsie" with Bergoglio and making compromises.  +Vigano actually called out SSPX for trying to make some arrangement or agreement with Bergoglio.
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    Re: Fr Chazal Conference in the UK November 2023
    « Reply #72 on: December 16, 2023, 03:18:31 PM »
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    • Quote from: Persto on December 15, 2023, 05:50:24 PM
    Thank you for posting this 2Vermont. At mark 35:42 Fr. Jenkins brings up Vigano's Opus Dei relationships/contacts and the legitimate concerns on the part of people who think Vigano could be leading others down a dead end. He points out Vigano's involvement with the Cancelled Priests movement and its apparent disintegration. Mark 39:39 Fr. Jenkins says if OD is behind Vigano that is reason for serious misgivings about him.
    Fr Jenkins is such a HATER! :laugh1:
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    Re: Fr Chazal Conference in the UK November 2023
    « Reply #73 on: December 16, 2023, 07:45:08 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on December 16, 2023, 08:34:05 AM
    I have no information in this regard, and so it's pure speculation, but I wouldn't be surprised if Fr. Chazal was also consecrated on his latest trip to the UK.  I'm hoping that he was, since he's IMO the best intellect in the Resistance and has come up with the most coherent and Catholic theological approach to the Crisis, once that both R&R and SVs can find to be very solid and Catholic.

    What?  Fr. Chazal's sedeimpoundism in effect denies the Church teaching that the public sin of manifest formal heresy by its very nature separates the heretic from the Church.

    The public sin of manifest formal heresy by its very nature separates the heretic from the Church.
    But Jorge Bergoglio has committed the public sin of manifest formal heresy.
    Therefore, Jorge Bergoglio is separated from the Church.

    Fr. Chazal affirms that Jorge Bergoglio has committed the public sin of manifest formal heresy as he has repeatedly called him a public heretic.  Yet he still holds him as pope.  As such, he holds that Jorge Bergoglio is not separated from the Church.  Fr. Chazal's position, then, in effect denies the major premise.
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    Re: Fr Chazal Conference in the UK November 2023
    « Reply #74 on: December 16, 2023, 08:49:55 PM »
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    • Quote from: Catholic Knight on December 16, 2023, 07:45:08 PM
    What?  Fr. Chazal's sedeimpoundism in effect denies the Church teaching that the public sin of manifest formal heresy by its very nature separates the heretic from the Church.

    The public sin of manifest formal heresy by its very nature separates the heretic from the Church.
    But Jorge Bergoglio has committed the public sin of manifest formal heresy.
    Therefore, Jorge Bergoglio is separated from the Church.

    Fr. Chazal affirms that Jorge Bergoglio has committed the public sin of manifest formal heresy as he has repeatedly called him a public heretic.  Yet he still holds him as pope.  As such, he holds that Jorge Bergoglio is not separated from the Church.  Fr. Chazal's position, then, in effect denies the major premise.

    "For not every sin, however grave it may be, is such as of its own nature to sever a man from the Body of the Church, as does schism or heresy or apostasy."
    (Pope Pius XII, Mystici Corporis)

    https://s3.docuмentcloud.org/docuмents/5983408/Open-Letter-to-the-Bishops-of-the-Catholic.pdf
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