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Offline Plenus Venter

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Fr Chazal Conference in the UK November 2023
« on: December 13, 2023, 06:02:42 AM »
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    Re: Fr Chazal Conference in the UK November 2023
    « Reply #1 on: December 13, 2023, 08:59:40 AM »
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    • Quote from: Plenus Venter on December 13, 2023, 06:02:42 AM
    https://odysee.com/Fr-Chazal-Conference-UK-November-23:1
    Thanks for the link. Has anyone heard an update regarding Father's book on Heaven? I think it was mentioned in his book Eternal Hell
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    Re: Fr Chazal Conference in the UK November 2023
    « Reply #2 on: December 13, 2023, 07:56:01 PM »
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    • Here are some very interesting things that Fr. Chazal states about Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano in this conference:

    1. 1 min. & 10 sec. – Archbishop Vigano’s coming to Tradition is the best news of the year.
    2. 14 min. & 50 sec. – Bishop Richard Williamson meets Archbishop Vigano regularly.
    3. 25 min. & 45 sec. – Archbishop Vigano is a bishop of the Resistance.
    4. 26 min. & 40 sec. – Archbishop Vigano fights the Conciliar Church, he hates the New Mass, and he condemns Vatican II.
    5. 27 min. & 40 sec. – Regarding concerns with Archbishop Vigano’s consecration in the New Rite, he has done the necessary; the necessary has been done.

    There is finally a clergyman (and a bishop at that) of the Resistance that publicly rejects Jorge Bergoglio as pope!

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    Re: Fr Chazal Conference in the UK November 2023
    « Reply #3 on: December 13, 2023, 09:10:30 PM »
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    • Quote from: Catholic Knight on December 13, 2023, 07:56:01 PM
    Here are some very interesting things that Fr. Chazal states about Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano in this conference:

    1. 1 min. & 10 sec. – Archbishop Vigano’s coming to Tradition is the best news of the year.
    2. 14 min. & 50 sec. – Bishop Richard Williamson meets Archbishop Vigano regularly.
    3. 25 min. & 45 sec. – Archbishop Vigano is a bishop of the Resistance.
    4. 26 min. & 40 sec. – Archbishop Vigano fights the Conciliar Church, he hates the New Mass, and he condemns Vatican II.
    5. 27 min. & 40 sec. – Regarding concerns with Archbishop Vigano’s consecration in the New Rite, he has done the necessary; the necessary has been done.

    There is finally a clergyman (and a bishop at that) of the Resistance that publicly rejects Jorge Bergoglio as pope!

    This phrase hints that he has been conditionally consecrated by Bishop Williamson.

    We would presume then that he is intending to ordain priests.

    And, once more: why not go public, so people would not think that he is a bogus bishop? Why make conditional ordinations and consecrations a secret?
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    Re: Fr Chazal Conference in the UK November 2023
    « Reply #4 on: December 14, 2023, 04:15:21 AM »
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    • Quote from: Giovanni Berto on December 13, 2023, 09:10:30 PM
    This phrase hints that he has been conditionally consecrated by Bishop Williamson.

    We would presume then that he is intending to ordain priests.

    And, once more: why not go public, so people would not think that he is a bogus bishop? Why make conditional ordinations and consecrations a secret?
    "The neccessary has been done"  suggests that they discussed the issue and decided not to consecrate conditionally . 

    If Mgr Vigano is to be considered a bishop of the "Resistance", then there is no reason to claim that Mgr Huonder isn't a bishop of the SSPX. 

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    Re: Fr Chazal Conference in the UK November 2023
    « Reply #5 on: December 14, 2023, 05:18:50 AM »
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    • 🙊🙉🙈 
    +Vigano should understand all the concerns about the reformed rites authored by the infiltration. 
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    Re: Fr Chazal Conference in the UK November 2023
    « Reply #6 on: December 14, 2023, 05:38:10 AM »
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    • Quote from: WorldsAway on December 13, 2023, 08:59:40 AM
    Thanks for the link. Has anyone heard an update regarding Father's book on Heaven? I think it was mentioned in his book Eternal Hell
    He mentions just after the 47min mark that he is half way through it, and that it is tough going...
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    Re: Fr Chazal Conference in the UK November 2023
    « Reply #7 on: December 14, 2023, 05:45:11 AM »
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    • Quote from: WorldsAway on December 13, 2023, 08:59:40 AM
    Thanks for the link. Has anyone heard an update regarding Father's book on Heaven? I think it was mentioned in his book Eternal Hell
    52:00 - "I think it will take me two years" and will have 700 pages.
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    Re: Fr Chazal Conference in the UK November 2023
    « Reply #8 on: December 14, 2023, 06:02:28 AM »
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    • Quote from: Giovanni Berto on December 13, 2023, 09:10:30 PM
    This phrase hints that he has been conditionally consecrated by Bishop Williamson.

    We would presume then that he is intending to ordain priests.

    And, once more: why not go public, so people would not think that he is a bogus bishop? Why make conditional ordinations and consecrations a secret?
    Yes, why all the secrecy?  Why has he gone and continued to go public with his new seminary and not gone public with a conditional consecration (if he has been)?

    Furthermore, why aren't more people concerned with this secrecy?  If this was anyone other than Vigano, I suspect there would be.
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    Re: Fr Chazal Conference in the UK November 2023
    « Reply #9 on: December 14, 2023, 09:15:08 AM »
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    • Quote from: Confiteor Deo on December 14, 2023, 04:15:21 AM
    "The neccessary has been done"  suggests that they discussed the issue and decided not to consecrate conditionally .

    If Mgr Vigano is to be considered a bishop of the "Resistance", then there is no reason to claim that Mgr Huonder isn't a bishop of the SSPX.

    Sadly, you might be right. :facepalm:

    We'll have to stick with Fr. Vigano then.
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    Re: Fr Chazal Conference in the UK November 2023
    « Reply #10 on: December 14, 2023, 12:12:30 PM »
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    • Seems Vigano has been consecrated conditionally by the way this reads.  They've done what was needed to be done and now he's looking at ordaining priests.
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    Re: Fr Chazal Conference in the UK November 2023
    « Reply #11 on: December 14, 2023, 12:41:39 PM »
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    • Quote from: Confiteor Deo on December 14, 2023, 04:15:21 AM
    "The neccessary has been done"  suggests that they discussed the issue and decided not to consecrate conditionally .

    If Mgr Vigano is to be considered a bishop of the "Resistance", then there is no reason to claim that Mgr Huonder isn't a bishop of the SSPX.
    Has Hounder ever made a public condemnation of Vatican II, the new mass, ecuмenism, etc...?
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    Re: Fr Chazal Conference in the UK November 2023
    « Reply #12 on: December 14, 2023, 01:03:35 PM »
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    • Quote from: Gunter on December 14, 2023, 12:41:39 PM
    Has Hounder ever made a public condemnation of Vatican II, the new mass, ecuмenism, etc...?
    No he hasn't, but the question is over the validity of both his episcopal consecration and that of Mgr Vigano. 
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    Re: Fr Chazal Conference in the UK November 2023
    « Reply #13 on: December 14, 2023, 01:06:15 PM »
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    • Quote from: Confiteor Deo on December 14, 2023, 04:15:21 AM
    "The neccessary has been done"  suggests that they discussed the issue and decided not to consecrate conditionally .

    If Mgr Vigano is to be considered a bishop of the "Resistance", then there is no reason to claim that Mgr Huonder isn't a bishop of the SSPX.
    It is vague language that has been interpreted both ways on this thread- not a good sign. It causes doubt and confusion.
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    Re: Fr Chazal Conference in the UK November 2023
    « Reply #14 on: December 14, 2023, 01:55:13 PM »
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    • Quote from: Confiteor Deo on December 14, 2023, 04:15:21 AM
    "The neccessary has been done"  suggests that they discussed the issue and decided not to consecrate conditionally .

    If Mgr Vigano is to be considered a bishop of the "Resistance", then there is no reason to claim that Mgr Huonder isn't a bishop of the SSPX.
    Time will show whether you are correct.  It would explain why Vigano hasn't stated that he was conditionally consecrated.  

    But taking the question about his consecration out of the equation, how would Vigano be a "Resistance" bishop?  He doesn't believe Bergoglio is pope. Since when was that the position of the Resistance?
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