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Author Topic: Fr. Chautard and the "Redlight" Position  (Read 3598 times)

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Online Stubborn

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Re: Fr. Chautard and the "Redlight" Position
« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2025, 05:22:58 AM »
The Faith is the condition for grace; the sacraments do not sanctify in union with error.
 
The SSPX is under a practical agreement. They accept Rome’s jurisdiction. They accept Vatican II “in light of Tradition.” They declared the New Mass legitimately promulgated in 2012—and never retracted it.

That’s apostasy in practice.

> “Even if they give us everything—we refuse if they don’t convert.”
— Archbishop Lefebvre

This isn’t a question of sacraments. It’s a question of truth. You cannot drink from a poisoned well and call it grace.
Yes, the SSPX has gone the wrong direction since after the death of +ABL, what else is new? Every one of the various trad groups out there are wrong-headed about at least one thing or another. That's the way it is in this crisis.

The SSPX has thus far ordained for the world valid priests, so the sacraments are certainly valid - your opening sentence is ambiguous at best, as regards those who go to the SSPX, it applies only to those who receive them unworthily. 

They still have a lot more very good valid, orthodox priests than any other group out there, and they preach the Catholic faith. Use them whenever you can for what you need, but don't paint with a brush so broad as to condemn them all.

     

Re: Fr. Chautard and the "Redlight" Position
« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2025, 05:57:39 AM »
Your post is not correct. Canon 2261 of the old canon law allows the reception of sacraments of heretics if they are still uncondemned by church authority for any just cause. It even states, that you are allowed to receive the sacrements if they are otherwise non available.



Re: Fr. Chautard and the "Redlight" Position
« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2025, 06:44:04 AM »
I disagree that this demonstrates that one should not attend SSPX Masses. That is a gross exaggeration and distortion of the truth.
Bishop Williamson also did not adopt this extreme red light position, and I think many have fallen by the way in adopting it.
SSPX Priests are Catholic, and attending their Masses is in no way contrary to the profession of the Faith.
They do not accept Vatican II, Religious Liberty, or the New Mass: it is a very different situation from the "Indult" communities, even if the SSPX seems to be heading in that direction.
We are in a crisis. The Church even wants us to receive the sacraments from non-Catholic ministers in danger of death. Many are in danger of death if they cut themselves off from the sacraments because of this ill-conceived notion that you can't go to a Mass or receive sacraments from a priest unless he understands every aspect of the crisis as you do. It is dangerous and in my opinion not Catholic.
Of course we agree that the Resistance is right. Fortunate are those who have a Resistance priest to give them the Mass and the sacraments. But don't condemn the rest of the world to a spiritual desert.

Posts like this give the SSPX priests and faithful the encouragement to stay where they are.  This post should be red lighted.

Re: Fr. Chautard and the "Redlight" Position
« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2025, 06:53:26 AM »
PS: You should not go to the Indult Mass, because they dont have certainly valid sacraments. We cant approach sacraments that are dubiously valid. As for the other issue: your salvation is more important than faith-politics of some organisiations. If you dont have another mass option and there is only the sspx then it is a matter of prudence if you will assist or not. You should as best as you can remove yourself out of this situation in the near future.

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Re: Fr. Chautard and the "Redlight" Position
« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2025, 07:02:53 AM »
If at this point 13 years on, you are still going to the SSPX for Mass, you really need your head checked for sanity.

Nobody who goes to the SSPX ends up staying with the resistance. They end up like frogs in boiling water, becoming liberal over time.
No. Not true. That is a generalisation not backed by statistical data. There are those of us who do attend Mass with the SSPX who will resist until the SSPX reverts to its pre-Fallay status or we are ejected from the SSPX chapels.