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Quote from: Marie Auxiliadora

By the way heresy is a canonical crime, thus a juridic act and the juridic effect of heresy is ipso facto excommunication.  It is a dogma of divine and Catholic faith that the matter for Holy Eucharist is bread AND wine, not as you believe, bread OR wine.

This is beyond ridiculous. Not only is she falsely and rashly accusing other members of this forum of heresy, but she is now also effectively accusing all three quoted eminent theologians, as well as others who wrote the same, of heresy as well.

She has shown herself to be obstinate in refusing to accept the teaching of approved theologians and continuing to push her personal views, to the point of excommunicating everyone who disagrees with her.

Since there is no "Report" button, I call for administrative action.

The term “juridic act” is not defined in the 1917 code of canon law or in the 1983 code even though the 1983 code has a section on juridic acts which was not in the 1917 code.  The term is not defined in canonical dictionaries.  The term was adopted by canonists after being used in secular commentaries on Roman law in 19th century, and canonists have used the term differently.  Thus it is a relatively new term in canon law.  Canonists that I have researched have given several different definitions, some broad and some narrow in scope.  Being that that there is no fixed canonical definition, I am at liberty to use the term in a broad or narrow sense.  The only definition that seems to be generally agreed upon is that it is any act that produces a juridic effect, that is, any judicial effect under the law.  Canon 927 concerns divine law, a juridic act by God which unconditionally forbids a specific act under any circuмstances whatsoever.  So what is the juridic effect?  Since the law permits no exception under any circuмstances whatsoever then the law can only be an invalidating law which is a juridic effect.  It can only be an invalidating law because all laws, human and divine, do not bind in cases of impossibility or necessity.

If you have an argument.  Structure it as an argument.

By the way heresy is a canonical crime, thus a juridic act and the juridic effect of heresy is ipso facto excommunication.  It is a dogma of divine and Catholic faith that the matter for Holy Eucharist is bread AND wine, not as you believe, bread OR wine.

Would you produce some commentary doctrinal, moral, liturgical or canonical on possible defects in consecrating bakeries.

Fr. Gregory Hesse, a Canon Lawyer and Doctor of Thomistic Theology agrees with me. Best to listen to all of it but from minute 15:00-25:00 he is clear on it. The "validity of consecration" of the bakery/wine cellar is nonsense. I rest my case.

To be fair, Fr. Hesse says that he sides  against those who side with the old theologians.  When he says this he seems to indicate that he could be wrong and that the matter is not decided. He makes clear arguments for why he took that position and also says that the purpose of the law book is not to declare if it is possible but only to speak about the evil or illicitness of the act.