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Fr. Bouchacourt is trembling
« on: July 01, 2015, 10:37:27 PM »
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    FR. BOUCHACOURT IS TREMBLING!!


    FR.  BOUCHACOURT TREMBLES IN THE FACE OF A STRONG ADVANCE OF THE RESISTANCE IN FRANCE.

    With 20 French priests in the resistance, with the prestigious Dominicans of Avrillé on the front line of combat, and with Bishop Faure, the new French bishop; the RAILLIÉS, the TRAITORS the ACCORDISTAS, are encountering serious difficulties in their advance on French soil.
    DEO GRATIAS!

    translated from NON POSSUMUS by Michael Fuller



    About the Dominicans of Avrillé communiqué of Father Christian Bouchacourt July 1, 2015

    Laportelatine

    1. For more than a year, the Dominican Fathers of the Avrillé Convent have propagated and maintained distrust of the authorities of the SSPX, especially regarding Bishop Fellay and the General House.  Through conferences, in publications and on their website, they accuse the superiors of the SSPX of abandoning the good fight for the faith in order to lead the Society to an agreement, at all costs, with the Roman authorities.  We have tried, in vain, in various meetings, to prove otherwise and show them how their attitude threatens the unity of Tradition, sowing doubt and division. This communiqué seeks to restore the truth in order to defend the honor of our superiors and our priestly family.

    2. The well-known facts of this increasingly open opposition are the following:

    -On Sunday January 19th, 2014, the Dominican Fathers distributed to those who attended Mass in the Convent of Avrillé, 1 "Appeal to the Faithful",  a text that was made public on the previous January 7th [Error: This document was published on January 19th, 2014. Non Possumus], and accused the General House of Menzingen of taking "the opposite direction" of that which was carried out by Archbishop Lefebvre "by aligning themselves modernist Rome" and "pertinacity in this direction which leads to death"; the priests of Avrillé are among the signatories of this text;

    -That same day, Father Pierre-Marie gave a conference to the faithful who had gone to Avrillé and his goal was to explain and justify this "Appeal to the Faithful" and how well founded it was;

    -The text of the "Appeal to the Faithful", accompanied by a significant introduction, was published in Le Sel de la Terre n ° 88 (spring 2014) pp. 138-139;

    -The confidential correspondence of Bishop Fellay, which was exchanged after the publication of the "Appeal to the Faithful," was published in Le Sel de la Terre n ° 89 (Summer 2014), pp. 215-220.

    -The Dominican Fathers took position in favor of the consecration of Bishop Faure on March 19, 2015, and published a lengthy account justifying this act in Le Sel de la Terre No. 92 (Spring 2015), pp. 139-169.

    3. Just like all the signatories of the "Letter to the Faithful," the Dominican Fathers of Avrillé decided that they must present “not a statement breaking with the SSPX but on the contrary, a public testimony of their firm and faithful commitment to the principles that always guided Archbishop Lefebvre in the combat for the faith”.  But in this way they are in a complete illusion and take with them all those who follow them.  For this fight for the faith, Archbishop Lefebvre always carried it out not only in the doctrinal fidelity to tradition, but also in order, in unity and peace, and in the spirit of obedience.  The Avrillé priests are not faithful to these principles, since they denigrate the authority of the successor of Archbishop Lefebvre and cast suspicion on the acts of his governing, in order to create dialectic between the members of the Society and their superiors, even by opposing the priests among them.  To be able to break away [Note from translator: the term used “desligarse” means to detach or separate oneself from something completely. The etymology is related to the word religion being its opposite according to Cicero religare. To Realign-reattach oneself with God.]  from an authority, it is necessary that this authority is actually moving one to sin against the faith or morals. The Dominicans of Avrillé are unable to demonstrate which acts carried out by the Superior General manifest that "Menzingen is betraying the combat for the Faith". It is not the General House which is betraying the combat for the Faith; it is those who call themselves "the resistance" that are the ones that weaken it by their subversive maneuvers.

    4. The consecration of a bishop by Bishop Williamson is not justified in any way.  Whatever the bad pretexts may be by which they try to make it plausible, it does nothing more than aggravate this spirit of independence and division.  Archbishop Lefebvre always expressed himself clearly in order to warn against such a state of mind. "It is the Superior General", he said during a meeting in Ecône on July 4th, 1988, "who maintains ties with Rome and, in a word, takes responsibility for Tradition; it is the structure of the Society that exists in the eyes of the Church.  We never wanted an organization of Tradition or a presidency of this association; but it is a fact that the Society is the backbone of Tradition, its providential instrument, upon which all the initiatives of Tradition should support themselves".  In supporting the episcopal consecration of Bishop Faure, the Dominican Fathers of Avrillé make themselves accomplices of a disastrous work and cause serious harm to the common good of Tradition, even more so being that the only reason given to justify this act rests upon the accusation without proof that the SSPX has abandoned the combat for the faith.

    5. Obviously, no Superior, responsible before God for the good of his district, can remain without reacting to these repeated positions and stances.  We cannot permit that mistrust, division, the political party spirit, and denigration are installed in our ranks.  It is about the common good of the flock; and the first duty of a pastor is to preserve its unity and cohesion, putting it out of the reach of these troublemakers.

    6. Consequently, in the presence of so many lying accusations, the District of France cannot support the community of the Dominicans of Avrillé who, because of their subversive maneuvers, are sowing doubt and division in the ranks of Tradition and weakening its strength.

    This situation is very unfortunate.  May the Holy Spirit enlighten the superior of the community of the Dominicans of Avrillé and that Our Lord and Our Lady keep us in the unity of truth and charity, faithful to the good fight of Archbishop Lefebvre, for the honor of Christ the King, of the Holy Church and the good of our souls.

    Fr.  Christian BOUCHACOURT, French District Superior of the SSPX.
    On July 1st, 2015, the feast of the Most Precious Blood of Our Lord.


    THIS BLOG WILL NOT COMMENT ON THIS TEXT, BUT IT WILL PUBLISH THE RESPONSE OF THE DOMINICANS.

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    ADDENDUM: Liberals support Fr.  Bouchacourt, of course...

    “This statement of Fr. Bouchacourt is very good and very timely.  Be wary of the people who are hardened. I gladly say to the young people: "A bridge too hard breaks under the effect of vibrations".  Fr. Aulagnier

    “The Dominicans of Avrillé constitute a "hardened" community in the traditional Catholic world, and it has been this way for several years.  For this reason, Father Bouchacourt, District Superior of SSPX France issued a communiqué.  In addition to the systematic and violent questioning of Rome, the Dominicans of Avrillé wage a merciless war on the SSPX, which they uncompromisingly denounce.  We know that the Dominicans of Avrillé did not hesitate to attack any approaching of Rome by the SSPX, even by reproducing confidential correspondence.  This reproach of freely publishing texts, without the consent of those concerned, is nothing new. A few years ago, they published letters in their magazine from Fr. Berto ...


    “But it is above all that deep down the Dominicans of Avrillé have truly grown reluctance. The bitterness in recurrent publications of Avrillé ended up creating a malaise that has not stopped growing in the publications close to the SSPX.  Priests and faithful have been at a distance from a community that seems locked in a purely ideological struggle. The discomfort had been felt, but no one dared to talk about it in order to not undermine the unity around the SSPX... However, the violent crisis of 2012, the attacks on Bishop Fellay, the departure of certain priests to the "resistance", then the consecration of Bishop Faure created a new situation where the tongues were no longer restrained. The Dominicans of Avrillé broke ties with Menzingen since the beginning of 2014. These hardliners, being hereinafter out of the SSPX, allow us to expose the errors of these groups, of which one wonders if they will not end in schism or a sect ... On the contrary, we feel reassured by the cautious tone and rejection of vain polemics by those responsible for the SSPX. Deo Gratias!” Riposte Catholique.

    http://brasildogmadafe.blogspot.com.br/2015/07/fr-bouchacourt-is-trembling.html

    We conclude logically that religion can give an efficacious and truly realistic answer to the great modern problems only if it is a religion that is profoundly lived, not simply a superficial and cheap religion made up of some vocal prayers and some ceremonies...

    Offline volmar

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    Fr. Bouchacourt is trembling
    « Reply #1 on: July 01, 2015, 11:57:05 PM »
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  • Yes, Centroamerica, Fr Bouchacourt is trembling. He knows the neoFSSPX has lost the episcopal monopoly.
    And now, Fr Pivert has founded a new priori in the center of France.
    There, he will preach retreats ans it's a good HQ for the resistance.
    .http://cristiadatradicinalista.blogspot.fr/2015/06/inauguration-du-prieure-notre-dame-du.html


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    Fr. Bouchacourt is trembling
    « Reply #2 on: July 02, 2015, 05:52:35 AM »
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  • Imagine what would happen if H.E. + T de M joined + Williamson and + Faure which will have to happen when Menzingen finally admit they already have both feet in Rome. I wonder if that is the reason for so much lying.
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    Fr. Bouchacourt is trembling
    « Reply #3 on: July 02, 2015, 08:06:28 AM »
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  • I think the expression here in Brazil is "meteu o pé na jaca"- he has stuck his foot in the jackfruit.  Fr. Bouchacourt has bitten off more than he can chew.  This response from Avrillé will not sit well for him.  There are many holes of vulnerability in his story that the Dominicans will surely expose, I believe.  
    We conclude logically that religion can give an efficacious and truly realistic answer to the great modern problems only if it is a religion that is profoundly lived, not simply a superficial and cheap religion made up of some vocal prayers and some ceremonies...

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    « Reply #4 on: July 02, 2015, 08:18:58 AM »
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  • Quote from: Centroamerica

    I think the expression here in Brazil is "meteu o pé na jaca"- he has stuck his foot in the jackfruit.  Fr. Bouchacourt has bitten off more than he can chew.  This response from Avrillé will not sit well for him.  There are many holes of vulnerability in his story that the Dominicans will surely expose, I believe.  


    You got that right.

    The Dominicans study for a living. St. Thomas Aquinas was a Dominican and I'm sure these Dominicans are more than familiar with St. Thomas Aquinas and his rational approach to every question. These religious were trained to be rational and logical, and their brains are in good shape from frequent exercise.

    Under the blinding light of their education and reason -- as well as truth -- Fr. Bouchacourt's arguments (formed by desperation) will fall apart like a cheap suit.

    You can't fight the truth. At least not successfully.

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    « Reply #5 on: July 02, 2015, 08:35:07 AM »
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    I think the expression here in Brazil is "meteu o pé na jaca"- he has stuck his foot in the jackfruit.  Fr. Bouchacourt has bitten off more than he can chew.  This response from Avrillé will not sit well for him.  There are many holes of vulnerability in his story that the Dominicans will surely expose, I believe.  


    You got that right.

    The Dominicans study for a living. St. Thomas Aquinas was a Dominican and I'm sure these Dominicans are more than familiar with St. Thomas Aquinas and his rational approach to every question. These religious were trained to be rational and logical, and their brains are in good shape from frequent exercise.

    Under the blinding light of their education and reason -- as well as truth -- Fr. Bouchacourt's arguments (formed by desperation) will fall apart like a cheap suit.

    You can't fight the truth. At least not successfully.

    Que viva mi Cristo, que viva mi Rey
    Que impere doquiera triunfante su ley
    Que impere doquiera triunfante su ley
    Viva Cristo Rey!
    VIVA!
    Viva Cristo Rey!


    Some of these things they have already shown and demonstrated very clearly to be false, but Fr. Bouchacourt comes with this list...it is desperate what he is doing.
    We conclude logically that religion can give an efficacious and truly realistic answer to the great modern problems only if it is a religion that is profoundly lived, not simply a superficial and cheap religion made up of some vocal prayers and some ceremonies...

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    « Reply #6 on: July 02, 2015, 08:47:39 AM »
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  • Perhaps the French Resistance should take over St. Nicholas du Chardonnet.

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    « Reply #7 on: July 02, 2015, 09:53:03 AM »
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    Perhaps the French Resistance should take over St. Nicholas du Chardonnet.


    St. Nicolas du Chardonette does not welcome the resistance priests lately or the Dominicans.  There was a story a few months ago that the Ecclesia Dei groups were now being invited there.  I think it was the Benedictines from Barroux.  
    We conclude logically that religion can give an efficacious and truly realistic answer to the great modern problems only if it is a religion that is profoundly lived, not simply a superficial and cheap religion made up of some vocal prayers and some ceremonies...


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    « Reply #8 on: July 02, 2015, 12:06:41 PM »
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    Perhaps the French Resistance should take over St. Nicholas du Chardonnet.


    St. Nicolas du Chardonette does not welcome the resistance priests lately or the Dominicans.  There was a story a few months ago that the Ecclesia Dei groups were now being invited there.  I think it was the Benedictines from Barroux.  


    This is a reference to how the property was acquired for use by SSPX in the first place.

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    « Reply #9 on: July 02, 2015, 12:52:59 PM »
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    Perhaps the French Resistance should take over St. Nicholas du Chardonnet.


    St. Nicolas du Chardonette does not welcome the resistance priests lately or the Dominicans.  There was a story a few months ago that the Ecclesia Dei groups were now being invited there.  I think it was the Benedictines from Barroux.  


    This is a reference to how the property was acquired for use by SSPX in the first place.



    Yes, I know.  That's why I thumb upped you.
    We conclude logically that religion can give an efficacious and truly realistic answer to the great modern problems only if it is a religion that is profoundly lived, not simply a superficial and cheap religion made up of some vocal prayers and some ceremonies...

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    « Reply #10 on: July 02, 2015, 06:09:28 PM »
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  • Both parties are at fault here.  The SSPX new damn well the stance of the Dominicans of Avrille in regards to Rome.  They (the Dominicans) literally laid out their position for all to see whenever you entered their church.  I saw their literature with my own eyes back in 2008.  They were very VERY "anti-Conciliar Rome", I would even say bordering on sedevacantist (yes, I know many will refute that).  The SSPX has known this for a long LONG time.  

    Having said that, however, the Dominicans of Avrille have surely known for quite some time now that the SSPX's position in regards to Rome, once quite hardline, has softened over the past decade, if not before that.  As astute as the Dominicans were then, and probably still are, I find it hard to believe that were oblivious to the changes going on in the SSPX.  However, they needed the SSPX.  Who else would ordain their priests?  Therefore they kept quiet.  Now they no longer need the SSPX to ordain their priests.  They have Faure and Williamson.  

    Both parties are at fault here and yet both now want to point fingers and play the blame game.  Childish.  


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    « Reply #11 on: July 08, 2015, 11:00:46 AM »
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    “The Dominicans of Avrillé constitute a "hardened" community in the traditional Catholic world, and it has been this way for several years.  For this reason, Father Bouchacourt, District Superior of SSPX France issued a communiqué.  In addition to the systematic and violent questioning of Rome, the Dominicans of Avrillé wage a merciless war on the SSPX, which they uncompromisingly denounce.  We know that the Dominicans of Avrillé did not hesitate to attack any approaching of Rome by the SSPX, even by reproducing confidential correspondence.  This reproach of freely publishing texts, without the consent of those concerned, is nothing new. A few years ago, they published letters in their magazine from Fr. Berto ...


    I don't have a horse in this race, since I'm not a part of the Resistance, but in having only recently learned about the Avrille Dominicans, and also having studied about them from the links provided here, I don't see how they can be accused of being "hardened," or having a ""violent questioning of Rome." Though I could have missed something. The Dominicans seem to state their case as forthrightly as possible, without any malice or violence of speech that I can see. They seem a very holy group of men who are sincerely striving to follow in the footsteps of Archbishop Lefebvre. God bless them!

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    « Reply #12 on: July 08, 2015, 11:01:58 AM »
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  •  :scared2: <- Father B

     

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